Grzegorz Braun extinguishes Hanukkah candles in Polish Parliament

Has the man already been expelled from this party?

No. We have such a law in Poland, in case you haven't noticed. And I prefer to live in Poland :)


And you don't. Is anyone forcing you to move to Poland? Does this particular law in Poland affect your life in the US? No? Then what's the problem? lol


No, he's been suspended. And it doesn't look like they're particularly in favour of throwing him out. Bosak said that they care only about the opinion of their voters:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/eksces-brauna-w-sejmie-bosak-zabiera-glos-6973654096431776a

That's a far-right party, so you can imagine what their voters must be like (and their views).

They always have a Christmas party; even several. Why not have a gathering for Chanukah?



Should there be a centuries' old tradition of those communities in Poland, perhaps they might. However there isn't, is there...


I doubt it; they don't have many elected politicians and would lose access to committee posts etc if they had one less.

And there are Christmas trees in the Parliament.


Yes, exactly.


Polish presidents aren't meeting with and visiting any Pastafarian or Voodoo communities in Poland. But they do meet with and visit Polish Tatars who are a Muslim community. Why do you think is that, Velund?:

prezydent.pl/kancelaria/archiwum/archiwum-bronislawa-komorowskiego/aktualnosci/wydarzenia/prezydent-spotkal-sie-z-polskimi-tatarami,14871

dzieje.pl/aktualnosci/prezydent-w-sokolce-te-czesc-kraju-mozna-uznac-za-wzorcowa

@Velund, or why is the Polish president and the first lady posting official wishes for Christian Orthodox and Greek Catholics living in Poland and not for Pastafarians or Voodoo practitioners?:

prezydent.pl/aktualnosci/wydarzenia/zyczenia-dla-wiernych-kosciola-prawoslawnego-kosciola-greckokatolickiego-i-innych-kosciolow-wschodnich-w-polsce-pluaby,62959



What do you think, Velund?

Polak senator Grzegorz Braun puts out the satanic menorah with a fire extinguisher. LOL!!!



At about 1:07 in the clip Braun said "They are partaking in acts of a satanic cult."

Another maverick Polak (now former senator) Janusz Korwin-Mikke comments.

(In Polish)



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Well done! We need more of this type of stuff. Jews are genocidal monsters and we must act against them at all times.

@ ALF9591

It was supposed to be a secular state, and there is a state without candles.

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@ roberttereba9478

Great Mr. Braun ,the only real pole ��

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@user-hu3lc8ef7o

I fully support Mr. Braun.

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@krolkot1759

Thanks to Mr. Braun !!

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@kylospx

It is worth participating in the elections!Great applause, Mr. Braun !!

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@wojtekw7843

Bravo Mr. Braun respect

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@mateuszbukowski4929

Bravo to Mr. Braun.

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@iwonabartosik942

Bravo G. Z Braun ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ , This is the Polish Sejm, not the Knesset!!!! This Is Poland!!!!

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@Junona55

The performance in this "Sejm Temple" is appropriate . Applause for Mr. Braun

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@<url>-ox6tl

No one asked - who put up these Jewish candles? After all, this is the Sejm in Poland, not the Knesset in Israel!

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@darekxxx6183

Great applause, Mr. Braun !! we're with you !! �� �� ���� ����

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@klaudiawrobel873

Himen from Braun ! Well done !!!!

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@ aspik5575

Mr. Braun keep it up-enough
service attitude. Poland is not polin

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@IwonaWillow

You are the conscience of corrupt politicians and The Voice of the Polish people! ❤

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@marcinpiotrowski1967

Bravo, Braun. Master. Thank you ❤

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@ jacekgoralik3993

Bravo, bravo, bravo, Mr. Braun ! ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤

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@matec6134

There are politicians who can only shout "scandal" and there are politicians who speak the truth and act! Bravo, Mr. Braun !

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@ Vismaiorek

Thank You Mr. Braun ❤ ��

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@komputerchrome2538

Bravo, Mr. Braun.

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@justynam1785

Bravo Mr. Braun ❤

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@Crnogorac3, Braun's supporters are active on the internet, but they are in minority in Polish society :)


Another anti-Semitic, deranged psycho.


Hmm, RuSSians are genocidal monsters, so I guess we must act against them at all times, including crashing Orthodox religious holiday celebrations, according to your "logic".

What law defines the possibility of offending the religious feelings of believers depending on the term of the confession's presence in Poland, and what is the term for priority treatment of a confession by the authorities?

Don't tell me that politicians decide this privately and according to the current political conjuncture.

s far as silly questions go, that's a particularly silly one and a weak attempt to distract.


Who said anything about priority treatment under the law?

So, it is not regulated by law at all, and politicians/judges decide privately, who can have their religious feeling offended, and who is not?

@Paulina


Thankfully we don't, Orthodox Church isn't only Russia, but also in Serbia, Greece, Ukraine etc.

Just as my advice shouldn't always be taken, same goes for other psychoes

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Russian original - (t.me/montyan2/6983)

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This is the new thesis, voiced by White House Speaker John #Kirby, that the Biden administration has begun to promote to domestic audiences and the general Western public.

If Putin wins in Ukraine, he will definitely attack Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, which means that it will be American soldiers, not Ukrainian soldiers, who will have to shed blood. You don't want to go to war yourself - accept inflation, falling living standards and be happy that you can buy off war with horrible Russia with some measly couple hundred billion dollars and euros. 🤡

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Anyway, if the neocons and soros mob hold on to power, we're not going to be at peace for the foreseeable future.

@Velund, this thread isn't about the RuSSian invasion of Ukraine.


There's no such law. That's not what jon357 wrote about, neither did you, so stop manipulating.


Tradition? :) (I mean the Presidents wishes and lightning candles for Hanukkah in the Parliament and stuff like that)


The tradition of lightning the candles for Hanukkah at the presidential palace was started by Aleksander Kwaśniewski and it was continued by all the later presidents. Kwaśniewski was also visiting Polish Tatars. Hanukkah candles have been also lit in the Polish Parliament for the last 17 years or so.


No, of course not. Why are you confusing two different issues? You asked why Hanukkah candles are being lit at the Polish Parliament. And you got your answer. In case of the law about offending religious feelings no religion gets a preferential treatment.

Again, a question so silly it's not worth an answer.

Especially as he hasn't been charged with anything currently.

Well, I answered it anyway.


Yes, the investigation only started and the prosecutor will decide what to charge him for. According to this Polish police officer there are a few possibilities:

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0JSfbZqsvKwZzRLdAzFN7F9d1rTqTF4ejCjN87VqyQDjd7hLgn21ESsX729roVujpl&id=100064488380260

Article 119 kk. - § 1
Article 157
Article 195
Article 257

Braun as an MP still has an immunity though (and he was using this fact on numerous occasions, so there was not much "courage" involved).

It's funny that serpent-like you bring Eva Braun into the discussion. Care to explain the Ava Braun connection?
Haunkkha should not be used as a rag for political propaganda, and It is a religious symbol that deserves respect.
Would you, Jon, be against the nativity scene displayed in the Knesset? What is the difference?

Actually, Braun could have been charged and his immunity revoked already earlier this year for vandalising a Christmas tree in a court in Kraków in January and threatening police officers, but it looks like PiS blocked it - PiS still had hopes at that time for a coalition with Konfederacja:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/braun-mogl-miec-uchylony-immunitet-juz-wczesniej-znamy-szczegoly-6973350520384160a

An almost identical stunt, also filmed from start to finish in much the same way.

Who is not offended by religious feelings? How about using churches and temples for religious displays instead of propaganda attempts?
I especially like the comical attempt to pass seventeen years as a long tradition.

Including Christmas trees? :) You think that Christmas trees shouldn't be set up in the building of the Polish Parliament, for example? :)


Don't lie. I wrote that this is a "tradition", not "long tradition". And whether it can be considered long or not is subjective anyway.

A Christmas tree?????

I don't know about this thread but my cool jewish brothers know this is just Lolzo. as in take a tab.

@amiga500, would you be also so cool about it if a Muslim or a leftist MP vandalised a Christmas tree in the Polish Parliament? :)

Did you see that film of some Jewish guys in PL doing a traditional dance (to the tune of Hava Nagila) but throwing fire extinguishers and catching them?

A country that has "feelings" in its penal code is mentally ill and too pussified.


They have an answer for that...One is religious and the other one is cultural. Therefore, the cross is out, and the manora is in. Separation of the brain and common sense...

Hey, Ms. Pee, how do you measure hurt feelings in Poland? Do cops take a blood sample when you show up whining?

That includes RuSSia then, because how would you call the law about "discrediting" the RuSSian army and mercenaries fighting for RuSSia? Protecting army's and mercenaries' feelings :)))


There's a Christian cross hanging in the plenary chamber of the Polish Parliament. No menora there.


Ask a Polish judge :) You can also ask a RuSSian judge what "discredits" a RuSSian army and what doesn't while you're at it :)))

@Novichok, you can also ask a RuSSian judge what is considered as insulting RuSSian government officials, including Putin, RuSSian state and RuSSian flag :))):

"Vladimir Putin signed a restrictive new law that makes it illegal to insult government officials - including him":

businessinsider.com/vladimir-putin-law-illegal-insult-him-government-2019-3

@Novichok, what do they mean by "indecent"? How do you decide about it and how do you measure it? :D

theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/06/russian-parliament-outlaws-online-disrespect

"The law, which critics say is reminiscent of Soviet-era legislation used to target political dissidents, stipulates fines of up to 100,000 roubles (£1,155) for "indecent" online posts that demonstrate a "blatant disrespect for society, the country, Russia's official state symbols, the constitution, or the authorities"."

You can't have it both ways...call Russia evil and later use it as a reference.

Your reference the US and its First Amendment - the world's gold standard of "free speech". Poland, along with other Euro "democracies", is a cruel joke in this regard.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Let me know when you find feelings, however, unless, or any such crap in the above text.