Polish-German Reconcilliation Seminar

Poland's current authorities have argued the 1953 decision is invalid because it was dictated by Moscow when Poland was a satellite of the Soviet Union.

To date, Poland has not made an official demand.
Germany has repeatedly said there is no legal basis for Poland's reparation claims because the matter was settled in the 1953 agreement.

WARSAW, Poland (AP) - A Polish official said Friday that Germany could owe his country $850 billion (690 billion euros) for the damage it inflicted during World War II.

Arkadiusz Mularczyk is leading a team in the parliament that is assessing potential reparations to Poland.
Germany killed Polish citizens and caused great material losses during its nearly six year occupation of Poland.

It's about time Germany ponies up for their war crimes.

Absolutely the legitimate Polish government was in London until they handed over power to Lech Wałęsa.

Lesser mortals here may argue that the government in Poland was legitimate under international law, but this is due to the fact that the west installed this puppet Soviet government when it betrayed Poland at Yalta.

The PRL government was not legitimate and the current Democratic government is stripping those involved of all their titles and entitlements

On 22 December 1990, the last of the Presidents of the Republic of Poland residing in London - Ryszard Kaczorowski - travelled to Warsaw to hand over the insignia of his office to the first democratically elected president of post-war Poland

msz.gov.pl/en/p/rie_gb_en/news/26_years_ago__the_president_returned_home_1

All in all, they killed enough of you and they now wants peace. No, not just peace. They want alliance with you so that more of you can die.

@johnny reb

Will Poland give back the land it took to Germany and also compensate the families of the people it stole this land from?

All in all if you take that into account my guess is it is way above the amount of money poland can demand and would even lead to polamd to have to pay money to Germany as reparation.

These lands had been Polish before with cities like Gdańsk and Wrocław founded by Poles. But we already know you're not very educated so we forgive your ignorance.

Now go take another selfie ;)
I wonder how long it'll take the mods to ban him.

No, they were German for hundreds of years. If we go that way Egypt can demand reparations from Greece for taking it under Alexander the Great.

The land belonged to german families. The proeprty was taken away from them.

According to UN law its forbidden to take land after war. Taking land without compensation is also forbidden.

If german victim families sue Poland in an american court, you could find yourself on very thin ice and your regime knows that.

The resolution would be that charts would be made which land belonged to whom and Poland is force to pay the compensation to the victims ancestors.

I´m clearly more educated than you, since i know the UN charta.

It would also be able to push another punishment on Poland for ""disproportionate collective punishment" .

Compensations are not a one way ticket buddy.

All in all we should also know this is just a PR stunt from the polish regime, when it was under pressure. Our leftists tried same in Greece.

When **** hits the fan they back off, because they know this leads to nothing.

Will Greece give back money it took form EU countries to pay their debt to banks? If not maybe you shout shut your cheek big mug boy!


Sure and Greece land belong to Turks. You're yapping about things you have no clue about. Go back to shagging some sex tourist for money as that is what you excel in.

@Marino_Kat
Mr Educated, when was the UN founded?

And these lands were occupied by Germans for far far shorter time than Slavs have been living in Macedonia. Mwah! So if you claim 1500 is not long enough, then how come Prussian occupation of Polish territories master?

Can't you see any inconsistency? Well, syphilis causes some brain damage. Get yourself examined.

@Ironside

I obviously have more clues about it than you.

I can post the legal base for what i said:

Rule 103 of the UN Charta sees "collective punishment" as massive human rights violation.

The inhabitants of Silesia for example lost evrything. They can demand compensations for their losses.

Who are you to denie them any compensations? Are they not human beings for you? What has a silesian german grandmother done to you that you think you can take evrything from her?

And thats exactly the point. This war brought countless suffering to all sides. It was the samll people who suffered. Be it German, Greek, Polish, French or Italian. All people are equal.

So to underline your claims, there are 2 points you have to answer.

1. Under what legal justification do you think you can denie reparations for German victims?
2. Will you also make claims towards Russia? Putin openly said he is willing to renegotiate all this and laughed in an interview. That alone should open your eyes.

That said, you know full well Poland will make no claims because Germany can just ignore it.

Poland is isolated in the EU and used this topic to get a better position. It knows full well it can achieve nothing. Germany ignored it.

In Greece we have such idiots as well. The communists wanted compensations from Germany because WW II. And guess what? They dropped it, because it turned out according to law Greece even would have to pay Germany.

Beside that we live in 2018 and not in 1946. We have to live together now. We have to stand together now.

And thats the most important aspect. In Germany the far right AfD is already at 16% within 2 years. If you want AfD at 50 or 60%, then you would follow that path. And then the result could very be a contract between AfD chancellor Alice Weidel with Russias President Putin to solve "the polish question".

Those lands belong to Poland due to the fact that German III Reich surrendered to the Allies and then separately to Soviets, it mean that had ligaly right to do with what they wanted with those lands.

On moral grounds due to the way Poland and Poles where threated by the Germans during the war - Poland has a high ground here.

Historically it is more complex but you're right - there was no German state held those land continuously for long. some of those land were part of the Polish crown longer than the German state existed.


come on, it is because he is a dick with no brain. Isn't that obvious?

I do agree.

@Ironside

You have a moral high ground to expulse german civilians in the millions of their home? Send hundredthousands into death?

Seriously? What religion are you? A muslim? The only religion i know that would follow that way is Islam.

I´m no expert in catholic christianity, since i´m greek orthodox. But according to our church, what you think would be simply wrong.

Also i would like to have an answer; Do you...or any pole at all...believe Germany will pay a single cent?

I would also want to know how exactly do you want imporve the German -Polish relations on a normal level?

You wouldn't be singing that tune if they had blown up the parthenon and every other building of historic importance in Athens as they did in Warsaw.

Greece suffered heavily in WW II. We live in 2018.

I ask again:

Do you...or any pole at all...believe Germany will pay a single cent?

I would also want to know how exactly do you want improve the German -Polish relations on a normal level?

Since you do know that they will never ever pay, why push this and create hate today?

Also, will you also sue Russia?

If not, why not?

This is quite true, Marino_Kat!

I remember reading in the German press several years ago that under Foreign Minister Genscher during the Kohl administration, the latter made certain that Greece wouldn't receive one Euro aka Mark from the Federal Government.

Poland is far from the only country to "suffer" financially from German tight-fistedness.

I don't wish to belittle Greece's suffering in WW2, especially Greek Jews from Salonica and Rhodes.., but I don't think you can 'compare' this with how Poland suffered in this war.

It lost 20 per cent of its population. That is unthinkable to most of us , tbh.

I'm not Polish but this is a dead-end issue and raised by the government for the sole purpose of diverting attention from PiS hijinx

(bubbling up into public view with ministers giving themselves bonuses and ridiculous credit card charges by Macierewicz and company)


those talking about reparations absolutely do not want good relations between Germany and Poland, they enjoy the mutual hatred


Will Greece sue Turkey? You can't squeeze blood from a rock (or induce feelings of responsibility in a Russian government)

This was decided by the Big Three during the Conference in Teheran in 1945.


Much of Breslau was destroyed be the Germans themselves after they had declared it "stronghold" and began to destroy much of the city to make room for military installations. Also, they had forbidden the retreat of the German civilians from the city of Breslau and as a result of this tens if not hundreds of thousands died as a result of cold, hunger and disease.

Silesia was illegitimately aquired by Germany (Prussia) from Austria as a result of the war started by the aggressive Prussian military in 1741. Germany apparently lost in 1945 what was not theirs.

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Marino, when are you going to claim back the city of Istambul from the hands of Turks?

When the political timing is right it probably will be put on the table, and why no they owe me 500 hectares two farms and the income from that over the last fifty or so years.

Poland did indeed suffer beyond measure, even the ill-fated Israeli ambassador to Poland, Anna Azari, was the first to admit it.
However, Merkel and Schaeuble have been on the extreme austerity side, separate and apart from war reparations.

Be it as it may. I'm not talking about reparations in the political context. I'm talking about it as something that should be solved long ago but due to the fact that Poland had been ruled by Soviet leftovers it had been neglected.

It is in the Polish national interest to get it sorted and get Germany to pay up!
You talking as fi the fact that some party used that issue to score some points on a political scene was a factor that would render that issue null and void.

It isn't so.
The issue of Germany paying some kind of ample compensation to Poland is very much a valid issue on its own.


that is a bold statement and very foolish one. I'm not gonna guess what you think or what pass for you as thoughts. I'm not clairvoyant and unlike you I cannot read people's mind.

Are you buying shoes and hast three seized bigger to be able to encompass your ego?
I fail to see how Germany paying its due to Poland would incite hatred in either country.

Four sizes, chumpo! Four sizessss!!!!!!


If you think that it's possible to open reparations back up without opening up issues like borders then rotsa ruck.

That's a separate issue that Germany needs to take up with Russia who stole Polish land in the east, Germany should get reparations from russia and also maybe britain and america who carved up europe with stalin.

What about Russia? Why aren't we demanding repatriations from them?

Cos its pointless under putler, need to wait for them to become proper social democratic like france brit and germany, then we can hold their feet to the fire. nice to get them into the eu lol

That is a really ridiculous argument. Never mind that Austria had a larger claim to being the legal predecessor of Germany at the time, none of the territorial changes of the past live up to standards of our time. And even then, Austria repeatedly confirmed Prussia ownership of Silesia in several peace treaties afterwards.

@Ironside


The issue has been solved long ago. Germany does well to refute any Polish claims to the contrary, because even if it was willing to pay. Who would guarantee that a future Polish government would not come again? Because evidently agreements and binding treaties have no value to some people in Poland.

@Ironside
You dont see how Poland demanding 950 billion € from Germany opens up hate?

Are you kidding me? This would destroy Germany. You do realize this, right?

You know what the result would be? The far right in Germany would take over. It would be Versailles 2.0.

So you say you want make Germany an enemy, now in 2018? Is that what you want?

If not, tell me your solution that also Germany could accept? And believe this solution will not be that Germany pays billions to Poland.

If your solution really is that Polands demands billions of € from Germany, the betetr solution for Germany would be to break diplomatic and trade relations with Poland and build a wall, isolate Poland from its borders and make the "cuba" solution.

Would be cheaper for them.

It is not like Poland has any legal claim to reparations, let alone a way to enforce it. And the Polish government knows this.

This is just a ploy of PiS to distract the Polish people from their own disastrous Eu foreign policy, nothing more.

I´m aware of that.

We have such morons in Greece as well. When the debt thing cooked up...Syriza started the war reparations song. The big majority here is against this bullshit.

Best was last year. The german ambassador was at an event when the communist party leader stepped up, insulted Germany and demanded reparations for "war crimes".

It was then when a greek hero who actually lived during that time and was in a concentration camp stand up, pushed her aside, did take the ambassadors hand and greeted him, thanked him for visiting.

That was a strong symbol and it pretty much ended this rubbish.

We all know Germany will not pay a single cent. And it doesnt have too. The polish government, like our communist idiots, just tries to steer up outside problems to delude from its internal problems. Old concept.

Why has greece got a history of loving commies, when I used to visit I would see the hammer and sickle (sic) spray painted on walls very off putting.