Famous Polish writer prosecuted for free speech

Can we stay on the subject of free speech instead of getting personal?

"Moron" is not a medical or legal term. It's a one-word opinion and, therefore, subjective. Hence, not prosecutable where sanity is normal. It seems Poland is not one of those places.

If Duda said that Poland can win a military conflict with Russia, that would be so stupid that it could be safely called moronic. In fact, it should be classified as insane and be viewed as a medical issue. Still, no crime committed by the speaker.

As far as I know, that's correct nowadays, however the word was originally coined as a medical term.

The exact word which was used in Polish is debil which, like idiot used to have a specific medical usage however does not today.


What I've said all along, however there are people here who have a hard time with that, as we can see in this thread. It says more about them than anything else.

You are better than nitpicking, Maf. I suspect you know exactly what I am talking about, but you are entitled to any interpretation you wish

Bottom line: The US version of "free speech" is the only one worth having and everything else is a pretend bs. Europe is notorious for it, just as the USSR used to be. The Soviets had the free speech clause in their constitution somewhere, too. With a couple of asterisks as chill pills but it was there.

if one can get cancelled by woke corporations and the mob then free speech is pointless

Like I stated in my pointless contribution, nothing will ever penetrate, impenetrable IRON CZACHA.

True. We defend everyone's right to be a moronLOL

To a point. Reporting on ongoing jury trials I think happens there which can influence a jury, plus victims/survivors/complainants of child sexual abuse deserve anonymity however otherwise yes. The American protection of free speech is important.

Excellent point but pointless from a legal perspective. My wife often tells me to STFU but that does not change the text and the spirit of the 1st Amendment.

Yes, I know, a very wise woman...

We are discussing only if you can end up in prison for saying things. You can a lot more easily in Western Europe than in the US where the 1st actually protects "offensive" speech. "I love, my Queen" and "Have a nice day" don't need any protection.

Also, a great example of rightard hypocrisy. When President Komorowski was abused and the legal steps were taken by prosecutors,. rightards cried out loud about freedom od speech. Now when "their" President is abused, they conveniently forget about their old "ideals."

get it over with will you. The best example of the hypocrisy is you and your BS.

" We are discussing only if you can end up in prison for saying things. "

thats what they did to me in the usa. literally they didnt even read me miranda rights and out me in prison for fighting back after this pathology guy with over 10 kids named raphael luciano charged at me and ended up getting choked out. basically for confronting him. so how is confronting someone not freedom of speech?

Europe is so ready for 1984. Quoting from cato.org:

Take Sweden, where not only was an artist sent to jail for exhibiting posters with caricatures of prominent black Swedes, but the owner of the gallery that displayed them was also convicted, and the posters were ordered destroyed by a court. In the United Kingdom, an atheist was convicted for a religious offense after leaving the caricatures of the pope, Jesus, and Muhammad in a prayer room in an airport. And in France, a mayor was fined for advocating a boycott of Israel.

Of course, the Euro weasels have a ready answer: enjoy each day, be nice and everything will be just fine. Do that and you will not need that stupid American 1st Amendment. It allows haters to hate and hurt feelings.

You should have known by now that I won`t. Pointing out rightard vices is my mission in the forum. Ha!

The number of rightard vices in Poland is rapidly increasing and the myth of "moral superiority" of PiS is vanishing at a tremendous rate right now.

By the way, the verdicts of punishment imposed by the Vatican on the two Polish archbishops in connection to their hiding cases of priest paedophilia have not even been mentioned on the public, government-controlled, television, I am told.

the news is on the tvp website so I don't see why it wouldn't get a mention on one of the bulletins. Perhaps you should make a cursory attempt to verify things you are 'told'. This ain't chinese whispers mate.

The point is that a far less number of people (PiS supporters in particular) would go to read the TVP website than watch their news bulletin. That's the TVP's trick; they know about it, so not wishing to diffuse such news too broadly, they publish it on their website only so as not to be accused of censoring certain news. People like you, for example, who live comfortably in the so-called rotten West, and in America in particular where such practices are impossible as the government does not control any media, are prone to buy that sophisticated bull$hit that the public TV in Poland applies.

I heard a victim of priest paedophlia speaking on that on another TV channel. The victim said he was very much dissapointed by the fact there was no mention of the Vatican's verdict issued on the case of those two archbishops on the main public TV news bulletin.

Fair enough You are correct. There is no mention of it on the 18:00 Panorama bulletin on the dates when the news came out. But they went on about inane Człowiek z Buraka rubbish for a few minutes, pretty pathetically lame not to cover it!

Yes, that is why anybody who comes after PiS is doomed to be dubbed "decent" coz those currently ruling rightards are unbeatable when it comes to moral evil. They are so corrupted that it verges on perversion.

Like what?

A Commie soviet scum that you are... Hence we communicate in labels and mine is not worse that yours and make much more sense.

In any other Catholic country (and quite a few that aren't) it would be the lead item on the main TV news.


Ciemnogrod, with one foot in the PRL.

I don`t think that your fascist neobolshevik label is not worse. Actually, it is. :):)

The fact that they won doesn't count. I got it. Those ciemne voters...

Why is "democracy" so good everywhere but not in Poland?

Like that - all vices of rightists which put decent people off rightardism.

https://polishforums.com/po-polsku/dlaczego-nie-drodze-nam-polska-prawica-85784/

A description that fits I-S nicely!

Quoting yourself as proof does not work. Either their own proclamations or court records.

Relax, this is a free discussion forum, we don`t deal with courts here. :):)

Even in free discussions, opinions are lousy substitutes for facts.
I asked for facts. If it's just your opinion, then say so, or at least make it obvious that it's just your opinion.

What you are doing is posting your opinions as if they were facts.

It's why they always lose in the end.