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Famous Polish writer prosecuted for free speech


Novichok 1 | 2,702
23 Mar 2021 #31
Can we stay on the subject of free speech instead of getting personal?

"Moron" is not a medical or legal term. It's a one-word opinion and, therefore, subjective. Hence, not prosecutable where sanity is normal. It seems Poland is not one of those places.

If Duda said that Poland can win a military conflict with Russia, that would be so stupid that it could be safely called moronic. In fact, it should be classified as insane and be viewed as a medical issue. Still, no crime committed by the speaker.
OP jon357 67 | 16,902
23 Mar 2021 #32
"Moron" is not a medical or legal term. I

As far as I know, that's correct nowadays, however the word was originally coined as a medical term.

The exact word which was used in Polish is debil which, like idiot used to have a specific medical usage however does not today.

Can we stay on the subject of free speech instead of getting personal?

What I've said all along, however there are people here who have a hard time with that, as we can see in this thread. It says more about them than anything else.
Przelotnyptak1 - | 579
23 Mar 2021 #33
Is that incitement to violence? Cause.... it kind of seems like incitement to violence....

You are better than nitpicking, Maf. I suspect you know exactly what I am talking about, but you are entitled to any interpretation you wish
Novichok 1 | 2,702
23 Mar 2021 #34
Bottom line: The US version of "free speech" is the only one worth having and everything else is a pretend bs. Europe is notorious for it, just as the USSR used to be. The Soviets had the free speech clause in their constitution somewhere, too. With a couple of asterisks as chill pills but it was there.
amiga500 3 | 600
23 Mar 2021 #35
if one can get cancelled by woke corporations and the mob then free speech is pointless
Przelotnyptak1 - | 579
23 Mar 2021 #36
Though your contribution is duly noted and dismissed as pointless.

Like I stated in my pointless contribution, nothing will ever penetrate, impenetrable IRON CZACHA.
Lyzko 30 | 7,373
23 Mar 2021 #37
True. We defend everyone's right to be a moronLOL
OP jon357 67 | 16,902
23 Mar 2021 #38
Bottom line: The US version of "free speech" is the only one worth having

To a point. Reporting on ongoing jury trials I think happens there which can influence a jury, plus victims/survivors/complainants of child sexual abuse deserve anonymity however otherwise yes. The American protection of free speech is important.
Novichok 1 | 2,702
23 Mar 2021 #39
if one can get canceled by woke corporations and the mob then free speech is pointless

Excellent point but pointless from a legal perspective. My wife often tells me to STFU but that does not change the text and the spirit of the 1st Amendment.

Yes, I know, a very wise woman...

We are discussing only if you can end up in prison for saying things. You can a lot more easily in Western Europe than in the US where the 1st actually protects "offensive" speech. "I love, my Queen" and "Have a nice day" don't need any protection.
pawian 176 | 15,325
30 Mar 2021 #40
Like the return of the PRL, or worse

Also, a great example of rightard hypocrisy. When President Komorowski was abused and the legal steps were taken by prosecutors,. rightards cried out loud about freedom od speech. Now when "their" President is abused, they conveniently forget about their old "ideals."
Ironside 50 | 11,036
31 Mar 2021 #41
Also, a great example of rightard hypocrisy.

get it over with will you. The best example of the hypocrisy is you and your BS.
Strzelec35 26 | 1,559
31 Mar 2021 #42
" We are discussing only if you can end up in prison for saying things. "

thats what they did to me in the usa. literally they didnt even read me miranda rights and out me in prison for fighting back after this pathology guy with over 10 kids named raphael luciano charged at me and ended up getting choked out. basically for confronting him. so how is confronting someone not freedom of speech?
Novichok 1 | 2,702
31 Mar 2021 #43
Europe is so ready for 1984. Quoting from cato.org:

Take Sweden, where not only was an artist sent to jail for exhibiting posters with caricatures of prominent black Swedes, but the owner of the gallery that displayed them was also convicted, and the posters were ordered destroyed by a court. In the United Kingdom, an atheist was convicted for a religious offense after leaving the caricatures of the pope, Jesus, and Muhammad in a prayer room in an airport. And in France, a mayor was fined for advocating a boycott of Israel.

Of course, the Euro weasels have a ready answer: enjoy each day, be nice and everything will be just fine. Do that and you will not need that stupid American 1st Amendment. It allows haters to hate and hurt feelings.
pawian 176 | 15,325
31 Mar 2021 #44
get it over with will you

You should have known by now that I won`t. Pointing out rightard vices is my mission in the forum. Ha!
Ziemowit 13 | 4,382
31 Mar 2021 #45
Pointing out rightard vice

The number of rightard vices in Poland is rapidly increasing and the myth of "moral superiority" of PiS is vanishing at a tremendous rate right now.

By the way, the verdicts of punishment imposed by the Vatican on the two Polish archbishops in connection to their hiding cases of priest paedophilia have not even been mentioned on the public, government-controlled, television, I am told.
amiga500 3 | 600
31 Mar 2021 #46
I am told.

the news is on the tvp website so I don't see why it wouldn't get a mention on one of the bulletins. Perhaps you should make a cursory attempt to verify things you are 'told'. This ain't chinese whispers mate.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,382
31 Mar 2021 #47
news is on the tvp website

The point is that a far less number of people (PiS supporters in particular) would go to read the TVP website than watch their news bulletin. That's the TVP's trick; they know about it, so not wishing to diffuse such news too broadly, they publish it on their website only so as not to be accused of censoring certain news. People like you, for example, who live comfortably in the so-called rotten West, and in America in particular where such practices are impossible as the government does not control any media, are prone to buy that sophisticated bull$hit that the public TV in Poland applies.

I heard a victim of priest paedophlia speaking on that on another TV channel. The victim said he was very much dissapointed by the fact there was no mention of the Vatican's verdict issued on the case of those two archbishops on the main public TV news bulletin.
amiga500 3 | 600
31 Mar 2021 #48
on the main public TV news bulletin.

Fair enough You are correct. There is no mention of it on the 18:00 Panorama bulletin on the dates when the news came out. But they went on about inane Człowiek z Buraka rubbish for a few minutes, pretty pathetically lame not to cover it!
pawian 176 | 15,325
31 Mar 2021 #49
the myth of "moral superiority" of PiS is vanishing

Yes, that is why anybody who comes after PiS is doomed to be dubbed "decent" coz those currently ruling rightards are unbeatable when it comes to moral evil. They are so corrupted that it verges on perversion.
Novichok 1 | 2,702
31 Mar 2021 #50
when it comes to moral evil.

Like what?
Ironside 50 | 11,036
31 Mar 2021 #51
rightard vices

A Commie soviet scum that you are... Hence we communicate in labels and mine is not worse that yours and make much more sense.
OP jon357 67 | 16,902
31 Mar 2021 #52
there was no mention of the Vatican's verdict issued on the case of those two archbishops on the main public TV news bulletin

In any other Catholic country (and quite a few that aren't) it would be the lead item on the main TV news.

those currently ruling rightards are unbeatable when it comes to moral evil.

Ciemnogrod, with one foot in the PRL.
pawian 176 | 15,325
31 Mar 2021 #53
Hence we communicate in labels and mine is not worse

I don`t think that your fascist neobolshevik label is not worse. Actually, it is. :):)
Novichok 1 | 2,702
31 Mar 2021 #54
Ciemnogrod, with one foot in the PRL.

The fact that they won doesn't count. I got it. Those ciemne voters...

Why is "democracy" so good everywhere but not in Poland?
Ziemowit 13 | 4,382
31 Mar 2021 #56
fascist neobolshevik

A description that fits I-S nicely!
Novichok 1 | 2,702
31 Mar 2021 #57
Like that

Quoting yourself as proof does not work. Either their own proclamations or court records.
pawian 176 | 15,325
31 Mar 2021 #58
Relax, this is a free discussion forum, we don`t deal with courts here. :):)
Novichok 1 | 2,702
31 Mar 2021 #59
Even in free discussions, opinions are lousy substitutes for facts.
I asked for facts. If it's just your opinion, then say so, or at least make it obvious that it's just your opinion.

What you are doing is posting your opinions as if they were facts.
OP jon357 67 | 16,902
31 Mar 2021 #60
all vices of rightists which put decent people off rightardism.

It's why they always lose in the end.


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