OP jon357 74 | 22,060 29 May 2017 #31So you're saying he wasn't in fact born in Poland before moving across the pond?
Ironside 53 | 12,423 29 May 2017 #32I'm saying that he moved with his diplomant daddy and his immediate family. Not quite the same thing.
OP jon357 74 | 22,060 29 May 2017 #33Really? He moved across the Atlantic and was unable to return.And he achieved a huge amount in his life, One of the very best.
Shitonya Brits 18 Mar 2019 #34May is just around the corner and it will soon be the second anniversary of the passing away of diplomat, scholar, and true son of true Poland Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski.Looking through the previous comments in this thread it was interesting but saddening to note that not a single PRL-era Pole thanked this giant of history and the pivotal role he personally had in not only halting the spread of communism but defeating it especially in Poland.Could this ingratitude from privileged PRL-era Poles be due to the fact that a true Pole born in the Second Polish Republic derailed their commie gravy train?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,131 18 Mar 2019 #35He wasn't a true Pole at all. He sold out for cash and his actions led to an enemy nation knowing exactly how to destroy Poland and Poles in the time of war.Interestingly, he met Adam Michnik very early on.
Polakito 3 | 1 20 Apr 2019 #36Brzezinski was a scumbag elitist. I'm not going to say more because I will be called a conspiracy theorist and I will be attacked by those who don't question and love daddy government.
OP jon357 74 | 22,060 20 Apr 2019 #37elitist.What's wrong with that? Would you rather he was at your level?
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,053 20 Apr 2019 #38Brzezinski was a scumbag elitist.His sick legacy: that Trump hating moron on MSNBC, and one more reason why I never volunteer that I was born Polish.
Crow 154 | 9,004 22 Apr 2019 #39Brat Zbigniew took great money in his life, in a world ruled by Anglos and influenced by the Jews and then sure Pope, and some others, too. He could write a book ``How to make yourself rich``.
Velund 1 | 643 22 Apr 2019 #40Their methods of becoming rich turned out to be too expensive for the humankind.
Crow 154 | 9,004 22 Apr 2019 #41Brat Zbigniew told to himself, I am sure, something like this: ... `Zbigniewe, take the money. If you don`t take it somebody else would take it. You Zbigniewe can`t correct sh** of this world so take the money and sleep well.`Now, we can say brat Zbigniew was selfish, treacherous or whatever. But see, brat took the money. And essentially, he for sure never gave a f*** about Anglo domination. Anglos were cow to him. Yes, cow. Definitely. Cow for milking.
Velund 1 | 643 22 Apr 2019 #42Zbigniew was also pretty caring about their milk cow. Time to time he directed her to where she could plun... oops, graze. But cow was experienced in this stuff and without Zbigniew, so he make just very slight correction to their own way.
Crow 154 | 9,004 23 Apr 2019 #43Exactly. Cow needed some hand to milk her and brat Zbigniew took the tit.
Mr Grunwald 32 | 2,176 23 Apr 2019 #44Do you think he had any influence in getting Poland in to NATO? U.K nor France certainly don't have much interest in it except for Poland not being under Russia.
Crow 154 | 9,004 24 Apr 2019 #45I doubt. More powerful figures deciding on strategical issues for world powers. There are magnates in US, in Russia, in Vatican and in China. They sit and deciding. Then players emerge to play the game. See, brat Zbigniew was such a player and for that he took the money, which I do respect.
pawian 224 | 24,484 2 Sep 2022 #46He was a prophet - correctly predicted that the clash between West and RuSSia will take place in defence of Ukraine which is an important pivot in Euroasian geopolitics.open-diplomacy.eu/blog/the-ukraine-crisis-or-the-revival-of-the-grand-chessboard-s-geopoliticsAccording to Brzezinski [who passed away in May 2017], independent since 1991, Ukraine is an "important space on the Eurasian chessboard", the control of which is supposed to make a domination over the world possible.In this interview in 2014, Brzezinski, in excellent Polish, explains that the West will fully support Ukraine if they decide to fight best they can. However, if they surrender like they did in Crimea, nobody will help them. It seems Ukrainians have remembered his words:
pawian 224 | 24,484 2 Sep 2022 #47It is funny to suppose that RuSSists in the Kremlin also read Brzezinski`s views on Ukraine. Coz he said this:Zbigniew Brzezinski has famously observed that "without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be an empire, but with Ukraine suborned and then subordinated, Russia automatically becomes an empire."Putin decided to invade and capture Ukraine coz Brzezinski had suggested RuSSia wouldn`t be an empire without it.
Miloslaw 19 | 5,008 2 Sep 2022 #48Forget Brzezinski, I think that is what most Russians believed anyway.They are now.learning that Ukrainians don't agree with them.
Novichok 4 | 8,117 3 Sep 2022 #49Brzezinski had suggested RuSSia wouldn`t be an empire without it.He either said it or didn't say it. If he did, he was an idiot. Adding 40 million to 150 million does not an empire make.
pawian 224 | 24,484 3 Sep 2022 #50Adding 40 million to 150 million does not an empire make.It isn`t only population which matters.Now think hard and tell us what else matters in making RuSSia a true empire after absorbing Ukraine??Think!!!! I always urge my students to do it, even when it is painful to them.
amiga500 4 | 1,541 3 Sep 2022 #51Adding 40 million to 150 million does not an empire make.read the grand chessboard before spouting off.
Novichok 4 | 8,117 3 Sep 2022 #52Does Putin know that Russia is just another country but together with Ukraine it would be an empire and he an emperor?