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Polish coal will be back


jon357 74 | 22,730
4 Jun 2024 #61
That covers 40%

Which is a high percentage. They should be compulsory for larger developments.

Americas lead like Britain

Other way round.

And you still have no clue.
Bobko 26 | 2,036
4 Jun 2024 #62
Which is a high percentage

A huge percentage.

Poland has made huge strides in attracting investment and growing its economy - but its energy mix resembles that of a country from the 1950s.

I understand there are objective reasons for why hydro and nuclear are difficult to implement, but when the topic touches on solar or wind - Poland has only its own legislators to blame.
Lenka 5 | 3,514
4 Jun 2024 #63
when the topic touches on solar or wind

More cost I would say. Although I see much more solar panels on houses in Poland than in UK ( but that is limited experience so not that reliable)
Bobko 26 | 2,036
4 Jun 2024 #64
More cost I would say.

No, not just cost.

When it comes to wind - Polish legislators made it so that it's practically impossible to build a wind turbine farm. Though recently this has been changing.

The initial regulation was that a wind turbine has to be located 700 meters from the nearest building. When taking into account all the protected nature preserves, and locations of certain population centres - this meant that 99%+ of Poland's territory was not fit for wind development.

After the Russian invasion, the Sejm made some changes and now it's 500 meters. This led to a 25-fold increase in the availability of land for wind investment (from 0.28 percent to 7.08 percent of Poland's area).

For solar, it is a more permissible environment, but also with huge amount of regulations. I'm not talking about people putting stuff on their roof, but large commercial operations.
Lenka 5 | 3,514
4 Jun 2024 #65
but large commercial operations.

Tbh I'm not too happy about solar farms. I think that is not really ecologically optimal. But I do believe all the city buildings should be plastered with them.

I do know in UK a lot of people sell their electricity from solar to the grid.
Don't know if in Poland it's the same

Edit: Just confirmed you can't do that in Poland
johnny reb 50 | 7,216
4 Jun 2024 #66
Other way round.

America still uses coal however we are the ones that had the idea first to cut the consumption in our huge country.
With your little country it wasn't as big of challenge as it is in the Great United States.
And you still haven't produced any sources to your claim.

Are they available outside the cities of Poland and affordable ?

They are for the 27% of people who live in the cities but what about the other 70% that live in rural areas ?

Of course

Then produce a source that can verify that claim but you can't besides just your opinion.
Lenka gave it a better go than you did.
Bobko 26 | 2,036
4 Jun 2024 #67
Tbh I'm not too happy about solar farms

They are ugly... but most people will only notice them for 30 seconds as they drive past. Is it better to "uglify" the environment but breathe much cleaner air, or to let that land continue as pasture for livestock?

They also make buildings uglier, and then cities as a whole. A good example of this is Athens, where the tight Greeks almost all have solar panels on their roofs.

Everything comes with a trade off.
Lenka 5 | 3,514
4 Jun 2024 #68
They are for the 27% of people

Correction on the wrong stats posted here:
40% of all the households in Poland are covered by the district heating system.

Is it better to "uglify" the environment but breathe much cleaner air,

It's not only about the prettienes aspects but also like wildlife, less plants and trees, etc
Bobko 26 | 2,036
4 Jun 2024 #69
@Lenka

What horrifies me, even as a Russian, is the little coal furnaces Poles install throughout their cities - including bus stations.

Seriously?

It's not even that cold, what the hell are you protecting yourself from?

In St. Petersburg it can be minus 25 on a good day in the winter, and there are no coal burners.

The best place I saw for this was Oslo. They had glass tunnels throughout their city which were warmed by air conditioning.
Lenka 5 | 3,514
4 Jun 2024 #70
little coal furnaces Poles install throughout their cities - including bus stations.

??? What do you mean?
Bobko 26 | 2,036
4 Jun 2024 #71
Literally "public furnaces", installed for purpose of keeping people warm, and fired by coal.

I'm sure this is not a phenomenon present in Warsaw, Krakow, GdaƄsk... but I have seen plenty of photos.
Lenka 5 | 3,514
4 Jun 2024 #72
Do you have a photo for reference? Because I don't seem to recall anything like that...
jon357 74 | 22,730
4 Jun 2024 #73
Although I see much more solar panels on houses in Poland than in UK

Perhaps that's more about where you live in UK and where I live in PL since I see the complete opposite.

There are new funding schemes in PL for solar, and heat exchangers are selling well.

I do know in UK a lot of people sell their electricity from solar to the grid.
Don't know if in Poland it's the same

Edit: Just confirmed you can't do that in Poland

PiS didn't allow it, and sadly the scheme was stopped for new users in the U.K. however this is likely to change soon after next month's election when Labour are back in as they should be,

This scheme (two way electricity metres) works well for farmers and especially for small scale water power. A small plastic waterwheel can generate a good amount of power, doesn't have the issues about storage that solar has, can run 24/7, doesn't need planning permission if you only have one, and is very cheap(from about £400) to buy. All you need is a stream with a decent flow.

but most people will only notice them for 30 seconds as they drive past

Agreed, and the part of PL that I live in isn't especially pretty. It's mostly flat and the countryside has been spoiled by ugly houses with plastic roofs and large numbers of billboards lining the main roads. They work well in towns; France has a new law that large car parks have to be covered by them.

present in Warsaw

They sometimes put braziers in bus stops in Warsaw on particularly cold days; it's not unusual for old people to freeze to death while waiting and this is intended to reduce that.
Lenka 5 | 3,514
4 Jun 2024 #74
It's mostly flat

There is nothing wrong with a nice, flat green land. It really doesn't have to be hilly to be pretty.

new law that large car parks have to be covered by them.

That is a good idea

They sometimes put braziers in bus stops in Warsaw on particularly cold days

Can you post a photo of such thing? I'm lost here...
Feniks 1 | 283
4 Jun 2024 #75
They are for the 27% of people who live in the cities but what about the other 70% that live in rural areas ?

70% do not live in rural areas. That would be 40%. You're forgetting that people live in towns as well as cities.

oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/94b5c782-en/index.html?itemId=/content/publication/94b5c782-en

It's not even that cold,

It can still get pretty cold. I remember once when I went to stay with friends in Poland it was - 24 C. The Baltic Sea froze that year.

The braziers are put out when it gets really cold.

Can you post a photo of such thing? I

Here's an article with a picture of one. I must admit I haven't actually seen them myself when I've been in Poland.

bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16875493
jon357 74 | 22,730
4 Jun 2024 #76
There is nothing wrong with a nice, flat green land. It really doesn't have to be hilly to be pretty

True. Round Mazowsze it's mostly just flat though, with a lot of commercial orchards.

Can you post a photo of such thing?

I've only seen them a few times. The city put them out on the coldest days so people can stand around warming their hands.

- 24 C

2005 was an especially cold year. Beyond bracing and quite a few lost earlobes. And that scratchy feeling inside your nose when it gets really cold.
Crow 160 | 9,235
4 Jun 2024 #77
Don`t give Polish coal to the western European vermin! Let them eat all their sh*. Proklete kur*e.
Lenka 5 | 3,514
4 Jun 2024 #78
Here's an article with a picture of one

Thanks. It's quite interesting. I never in my life saw one.
Miloslaw 20 | 4,813
4 Jun 2024 #79
Although I see much more solar panels on houses in Poland than in UK

An expensive and wasted effort.Solar panels in the UK or Poland are not the answer.

however this is likely to change soon after next month's election when Labour are back in as they should be,

Your comment that Labour should be back in power "As they should be", grated with me somewhat.The Tories have been awful, we can all agree with that.And Labour will win a big victory at the election,but Labour should be back "As they should be"? Really? what has Sir Keir said to convince you that he is the right man to lead our country?

BTW, have any of you noticed that the UK election is on July 4th and the US election is on November 5th?Both fireworks nights!!!!!
johnny reb 50 | 7,216
5 Jun 2024 #80
Only 27% of the Polish population live within the cities.
Please elaborate and don't forget about the Polish that live outside Polish cities that have no access to renewable resources.

Correction on the wrong stats posted here:
40% of all the households in Poland are covered by the district heating system.

Not really, just misconstrued.
So if 40% are covered and 27% of those are in the cities that leaves only 13% outside the cities that have access which was my point.
(Correct me if I am missing something here)
The other 60% of Poland's population that does not have access should be able to afford to heat their homes with coal until gas lines are run to their area.

Get those coal mines opened back up so there is affordable coal to burn.
johnny reb 50 | 7,216
5 Jun 2024 #81
Scientists are now harnessing the suns energy to produce electricity.
Windmills and solar panels are already outdated.
There are three primary technologies by which solar energy is harnessed.
I will be dead and gone but you kids will see the day when the suns energy will harvested and used to power everything on earth.
jon357 74 | 22,730
5 Jun 2024 #82
Windmills and solar panels are already outdated.

They aren't.

Really? what has Sir Keir said to convince you that he is the right man to lead our country?

Yes really.

Why would he need to 'convince' anyone that he's the right person? Round my way, almost all constituencies have Labour MPs, despite relentless propaganda in the tax exile owned media. He's the elected leader of the workers' movement which represents the many not the few, the industrial workers rather than suburban p1sswilly office monkeys or 'green' housewives in Hitchin or Shoreditch hipsters.

The failed Tory regime has been in office for 14 years; now it's our turn for the next 20.
cms neuf 2 | 1,816
5 Jun 2024 #83
I think if I was freezing to death at a bus stop I might duck into a nearby Zabka and wait until the bus came.
johnny reb 50 | 7,216
5 Jun 2024 #84
They aren't.

Thank you for your opinion again.
The article I read explained how they are now harvesting the suns heat (out in outer space) and turning it into electricity.
Quite interesting article for a guy with such a superiority complex as yourself, jon.
OP wslipach 8 | 87
6 Jun 2024 #85
An expensive and wasted effort.Solar panels in the UK or Poland are not the answer.

Those who payed for the solar panels are already quietly regretting the idea, but in a show off mentality world like Poland nothing like that is wasted, it looks "fashionable" and European, neighbours are jealous and brings us closer to the sun
jon357 74 | 22,730
6 Jun 2024 #86
Those who payed for the solar panels are already quietly regretting the idea,

Most didn't pay; they came as part of funded schemes.

It works.
OP wslipach 8 | 87
6 Jun 2024 #87
No,what a lie, all paid , those using up to 3kw which means it will work **** still paid up to 45 thousand PLN and they got (were to get) 15 000 in funding , so thats one third of ****** funding. Thos who use 10Kw payed between 85000 to 100000 and got p to 30000 in funding , if lucky, so no it doesnt faking work
jon357 74 | 22,730
6 Jun 2024 #88
all paid

No, they didn't. Most people had deals with private companies; and solar works well. Cleaner than coal which is of course being phased out in the developed world.
johnny reb 50 | 7,216
6 Jun 2024 #89
coal which is of course being phased out in the developed world.

Not totally true
OP wslipach 8 | 87
6 Jun 2024 #90
No, they didn't. Most people had deals with private companies; and solar works well. Cleaner than coal which is of course being phased out in the developed world.
@ jon357

Shut the fak up , you can repeat your lie all you want , it will not change reality. As I mentioned above, these the real figures and how much ppl have to pay for solar crap.

Yes, cleaner , but not practical, not just in Poland. Read above ppl.


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