Chances that Visegrad countries move out of NATO and EU if security situation in Europe further aggravate ?

Judging by the behave of Hungary and considering Visegrad countries are mostly Slavic, on the line of fire between Russia and western Europe, in situation when EU rapidly losing attractiveness and falling economically, there is the possibility these countries to find interest in abandoning NATO and EU.

Let's see.... russia is in invading mode (and has publicly listed Poland as a target)

Poland decides to leave NATO which is a major hedge against russian aggression?

That would be like somebody jumping out of a tenth floor window because they don't like elevators....

Hungary is on russia's side because it's hoping to get a chunk of a dismembered Ukraine...

No other Visegrad country sees russia as anything but an enemy....

The chances for that are zero. Only if RuSSists invade and successfully occupy Poland, which is highly impossible in current conditions.


Yes, poor bastards still can`t forget Trianon.


Amen.

Crowie, I fear Putin sh'its on his slavic brethren....I think that common heritage means nothing to him at all.

Don't waste your enthusiasm on him, he is damaging your cause. He is for Slavs what Hitler was for Germanics, he throws it all in the bin, gives all of it a bad name!

that's why crow likes him, he has a fantasy about serbs and russians together as super slavs (think of caste system)

of course, as I posted on another thread, serbia's crush on russia is like a teenage girl writing fan letters to some girly K-pop star, she lives for him and he doesn't even know or care that she exists....

Crow, the only chances for any abandoning in this part of Europe are that Poland, Czechia and Slovakia will drop Hungary which is too proPutlerite and will establish a new group of just 3 countries without Magyars who still dream of recreating Great Hungary.

People its clear that we live in era of conflicts. It was before Ukraine and now only becoming obvious, entering culmination. And main line of fire, as always, is here in Europe, along the Baltic-Balkan-Black sea line. So why Poland wouldn`t remove itself from the line of fire? For any excuse. You name it. Just to remove itself.

That`s the Polish character. Indomitable. It was in Poland where the 2WW started coz Poles refused to yield to Hitler`s demands. Today, Poles reject Putler`s demands. Such a tradition, we can`t help it. And Ukrainians are taking after us in an exact manner.

All in all, you need to seek an ally somewhere else. Poles are lost to nationalistic Serbs.

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nationalistic Serbs? Yes I am from Serbia and its all very interesting but let us now focus on Poland. Why would Poland distinguish itself against Russia? In my opinion its much better to let all those bigger NATO and EU powers deal with situation. Not to say that by conflict with Russia, Poland can over night find itself in conflict with China, entire BRICS, etc. Its at this moment 42% of humanity. The financially stronger part. With more resources.

Because we don`t want to have anything in common with the bandit terrorist state that RuSSia currently is.

When it is defragmented into a dozen smaller states, Russia may become a normal state at last which takes care of its citizens` wealth and prosperity in a civilised manner instead of invading its neighbours and stealing fridges, TVs and washing machines.

Normal Russia will be certainly welcome by Poland and all Europe inhabited by civilised people.

Nations being Slavic has no practical impact on anything other than spoken language. Also, I don't see why would any member of Visergrad Group want to leave NATO. Leaving the alliance is not pragmatic even for Hungary.

youtu.be/wH15uwhvtZI

@pawian

Are you even aware how deluded you are? At least hint of awareness? Russia is not perfect but at least is independent. What EU country is independent? Not even Germany. All serve to USA and Vatican. Why would Russia desire to have master?

@Crow
So what your saying is, Russians don't have a lord? Makes sense

Russia needs to be obliterated then

No, it isn`t. Currently its economy is going down due to Western sanctions. And RuSSists are desperately turning to China for help.

Russia wants partners that will correctly pay Russia`s offer.


No need for you to appear more stupid.

@Crow
If I wished to appear stupid about geography I could allways write that Kosovo is within borders of Serbia

Serbia is like Kaliningrad. It doesn't fit in with its surroundings.

@Kashub1410

Fight urge to work against Serbs. If you fail in that fight, you would find yourself a traitor of Poland. That, if Poland is Poland and we all know that Poland is Poland and what that means in a bottom line.

@Alien

Same goes for you.

@Crow
Urge? So you surrender yourself to your urges? That explains a lot

If I bring something negative about Serbia it's thanks to you. Congratulation for being one of the worst ambassadors for Serbia

The worst kind of thinking are challenged by those in Europe who wish to maintain and preserve their national sovereignty.
But as a result of compromises in policy, a confused EU "defence union" model risks emerging, real enough to undermine European security but not powerful enough to defend it.

The EU could be about to cripple Nato and its time the United States gets out while the getting is good.
Let the sponges deal with their own problems.
Then they will understand the term, "Who's your Daddy."

msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-eu-could-be-about-to-cripple-nato/ar-BB1olSDx

The second risk is a duplication of organisation

That's the major problem as I see it. Bureaucracy on top of bureaucracy equals inefficient and ineffective gridlock.

I din't see why the US should abandon NATO right now, though.

Because it is costing the U.S. to much money to support Europe for it's defense.
Why should the U.S. tax payer pay for your defense when Britain has enough fire power alone to flatten Russia.
You guys certainly have not been working as a union and the U.S. is tired of supporting you.

So, if we weren't in NATO we'd spend less on defense? I don't think that'd be the case.

I sure do.

Nonsense. There are three reasons why the US is spending ridiculous amounts of money for their military presence around the world:

- Worldwide influence; keeping the status as a superpower under all circumstances. Being boss is expensive.
- Keep wars abroad instead of fighting them at home
- Ensure that the US$ stays the reserve currency of the world. Without that status, the U.S. would be bankrupt tomorrow.

Bark all you want, but you know it's true.