AfD politician: Poles are land-stealing n*ggers

people here don't understand the simple fact that the whole reparations question was raised by PiS as a crude form of "negotiating" with Germany (so with the EU center) to **** off and stop fighting their rule in Poland - I was and still am of opinion that it was not a good "negotiating" method and they never gave it any deeper thought - in the meantime the issue became a talking point in Poland and PiS cannot easily back out from it even if they wanted to - the thing is though that they kind of discovered that the question of reparations is a factor that sets them appart as patriots as opposed to Tusk administration (because the case grew that much)

however what most people here probably don't realize is that Polish right wing parties are at odds with Germany not because of the reparations issue for the most part but because of the current policies of the EU (mostly dictated by Germany) that rightwingers in Poland fear can be highly detrimental to the Polish economy

This is not a method, but a manifestation of political idiocy.

Indeed.

But you would be surprised how many people in Poland fell for it and treated the demands seriously.

That's why it is vital to finally settle the matter legally once and for all.

Look, who cares at this point? Sure, they used it as a negotiation tactic, but it doesn't mean that they made it up.
I put aside what PiS wanted or not, as I don't care that they are incompetent.
On PF, I'm talking about the issue of German compensation as it is. From Poland's national interest point of view. Simple.

Hey, but I still have you! My sad clown.
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We have nothing to lose by sticking to our guns. It would rather have a detrimental effect on Germany to the extent. In short, they will be the ones losing the long game if they stubbornly refuse negotiations on the issue.
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What personal grudges? I think you, like many people in Poland, fail to differentiate between personal grudges and national interest. You can forget your personal grudges, but nobody has the right to forget what rightfully belongs to Poland or is owed to Poland.
Do you know what message you send to others with such a weak and pathetic attitude? Come on, screw Poland some more, you can do it without consequences, say a few slogans about forgiving being sorry, and all is in the past, let's be friends if you lose, and they will be happy like pigs in the mud. Suckers.
If they are really sorry - pay up. If not, you are just faking it.
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Are you insane? It was good to the point, but now if we follow the German EU plan, we will be a colony of theirs, and you and your children will be paid a symbolic salary. Wake up!

Maybe there once was one....but I doubt there is "a German EU plan" anylonger, Iron.

Germany as a whole has no longer a plan....we are abit planless right now...just in case some people missed that state of german affairs....now THAT is truly sad!

All these theories about some german master plan, some shadow government full of super smart and super secret people who know exactly what to do and when and how...is more like wishful thinking...kinda....right now..

I guess once Germany would stop paying so much into it the EU would just unravel...without much noise....

Indeed. And in hindsight people would wonder how the contemporaries allowed for such a magnificent entity to fail.

There have been points in history when the costs of keeping the current order alive seemed too much for the people in charge to bother. So they let it die while thinking that the new order would be better suited to their wishes, with the result being the opposite.

Was Europe a better place to live in after the Western Roman Empire fell? Was it beneficial when the Polish Commemwealth got partitioned?

Is the EU perfect as it is? No, but it is still the best shot the Europeans at preserving their influence and prosperity in a changing and increasingly hostile world.

Some kind of "Wunderwaffe" ?

....na ja....the german tribes weren't forced to pay taxes to far away Rome anymore....that they were forced to was enough to get so many angry people together to even take on mighty Rome in the first place....some lesson modern far away Brussels like to ignore/forget....people didn't change that much....

Once you lose the peoples support even the mightiest institution starts to crumble, sooner or later!

The Festung Brüssel will not fall so quickly.

....alone the mindset "Festung" shows the wrong way it is on!

And who will defend it? If it will be mainly Germany alone Iron would be right, with him saying its a "german thing only working for Germany".....thats all so wrong!!!

Come on, don't cry, Iron is a born error, he will never be right.

So instead they paid to their local rulers without receiving the same compensation (peace, infrastructure, trading opportunities). Archeological evidence that living standards declined significantly after the Roman Empire fell.

It took more than 1000 years until former Roman cities in Germany or other parts of Europe were able to match the Roman splendor again.

You had whole generations of people living in e.g. what is now France or Spain who never had to live in fear of soldiers threatening their life and property. All those advances were suddenly gone.


True. Every member should defend the EU, because every member benefits from it.

We can already see what the alternative would be right now. Non-Europeans in the form of Trump and Putin making arrangements over the security of Europe without European involvement. The next step will be to fully exploit us economically, without the bargaining power the single market provides us.

The USA as a guarantor of European security will be gone soon. The threat of Russia will remain. China is looking to pay us back for the "century of humiliation". Other powers will also rise. While there will come a time within decades when no single European country will be among the 10 biggest economies.

We shouldn't take our prosperity for granted. Europe used to be a poor, divided, war-stricken continent for most of its' history. We can easily revert back to this state of being if we are not careful.

....hmm....maybe that is our natural way of being? And all tries to unify and strengthen us under some common far away rule has to fail at one point?

....or I'm just getting old and abit pessimistic!

I like optimists.🙂

Maybe. Though then again, "far away" is relative. Most Germans live in closer geographic proximity to Bruessels (or Strasbourg) than Berlin.

...true too! Easy to forget here in Berlin....😎

Just pointing out that nothing is set in stone, including our prosperity and safety. And we can already get an idea of the challenges ahead, with Russia trying to bring imperialistic conquest back to Europe and rising countries like China trying to achieve economic dominance.

If you read the papers of Chinese intellectuals, they often refer back to the past while describing their vision for the future. Back to the long history of China being the largest economy of the Earth, up until the Industrial revolution. They view the time of European imperialism as a brief, historical exception to the rule. The same counts for e.g. India.

...na ja....being the largest economy of **** poor farmers and serfs means not much!

I guess the Silicon Valley tech corporations will be the bosses of tomorrow...those who bring mankind into space for resources and free land to settle...including everything AI. They will also find solutions for the climate change, new sources for energy and food and stuff. But they will sell them for a price...for us to pay!

History, even the most glorified, doesn't count much in that regard....

The Chinese were more than just that. Sure the majority were farmers like you describe, but they they also had a small middle class. Big beautiful cities, a sophisticated bureaucracy, miles ahead of anything we had in Europe at the same time. It is mind-blowing to read up on Chinese history and learn about the splendor of the Chinese Emperors, while European kings lived in pitiful, small castles.

....they are easily subjugated and ruled....that is what I mainly take from their history!

Such a huge people....they have to be diverse and colorful...but what stays with the observer from "far away" is their faceless uniformity in kneeling to the "emperor of the day"!

I prefer disunited, infighting, defiant beehive Europe! Even if that makes it so much harder to rule....guess my sympathies still lie with the tax-defying germanic tribes! :)

I am not sure about that. China's history is full of rebelllions, uprisings and Civil wars. The Taiping rebellion killed more people than WWI.

The Chinese went through like 6 different Imperial dynasties while the Habsburgs rule the Holy Roman Empire and Austria.


And also much harder to defend itself against non-Europeans, while also fighting each other.

Drastically simplified version: China is maybe more like Europe than a European country. There are two broad tendencies, the northern tendency is to impose uniformity and to try to rule the rest. The southern tendency is to try to break away from northern rule as oppressive (though there's no unity in the South, there are four or five centers of Southern Chinese.

At present there is surface order in China (a colleague recently returned from a trip to a few cities and was raving about the cleanliness and order).

Meanwhile the economy is imploding with malls dying and workers setting factories on fire because they haven't been paid.

And the population is nowhere near the official figures so economic plans made for a country of 1.4 billion people won't work when the population is actually well shy of a billion (my guess is about 700 million, not the low end of realistic China watchers opinions).

Add typical communist misrule and incompetence and you have a house of cards, ready to collapse.

, I was right on this forum when it comes to politics 9 times out of 10. You are only capable of uttering some dumb phrases, and you think you are clever.
I think your stupidity gives you such confidence. The same with so-called liberal elites in Europe, incompetent, corrupt, dumb, and full of themselves.

The Roman Empire was efficient, mostly practical, and had a system of selecting the best leaders largely based on merit. In contrast, the European Union (EU) operates quite differently. It seems to rely on elites who regard themselves as an unmovable aristocracy, focusing on self-interest. When it comes to prosperity, it is being killed by Brussels and the EU elites, prioritizing ideological nonsense and eliminating free competition inside the EU. While the EU cannot be compared to the Roman Empire, it can easily be likened to the Soviet Union.
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I think you are a victim of American propaganda. I would say that China is doing pretty well, while the U.S. is in economic turmoil. I can agree that the U.S. economy is built on healthier fundamentals, but that may be influenced by my bias, as I tend to cheer for my civilization.

I can't disagree.

Perfect.

They would rather destroy a country than kick Greens on the balls and out...See Germany....


It's a good movie material ... until you see numbers...

GDP in 2024:

Germany: -0.2% (in 2023: -0.3%)

UK: +1.1% (in 2023: +0.4%)

China: +5% (in 2023: +5.2%)

No. I listen to people with insider knowledge (a few foreigners with intimate knowledge of China and Chinese mores and ethnic Chinese)

youtube.com/watch?v=rP6-yl1ksuw

youtube.com/watch?v=BnFz__LrSGw

So move to China.....

@mafketis

Your first video was very funny and just shows that China is just as dysfunctional as most of Asia.

The second was far too long and boring to watch, but I saw enough to show me that Novichok's assessment of The Chinese economy was completely wrong and blinkered nonsense.... as usual.

Can anyone confirm this?