AfD politician: Poles are land-stealing n*ggers

You are a curious case. You seem to think that closing your eyes and repeating something a hundred times will magically change reality.


Even if PiS tries this narrative, then legally they will have no leg to stand on. Properly legally conducted reparations agreement would shut them up forever. As it is, they can bring back the issue indefinitely. And if you think that the death of last WW2 survivors will change anything, just know that PiS politicians (e.g. Mularczyk and Pawłowicz) are of the opinion that Sweden should pay us reparations for the Swedish Deluge (1655-1660).

You are right about one thing - PiS demanding reparations from Germany plays exactly into Putin's hands. The problem is, they are so afraid of "westernization" of Poland (which, with addition of the fact that their electorate is dying out, would eventually mean the end of them as a considerable political force) that they think Orbanisation is a viable solution.

This is exactly what happens as history shows.

Much harder to achieve in Poland. Part of Orban's model has been trying to drive younger, better educated voters who are less likely to vote for him out of the country (and it's harder for the Hungarian diaspora to vote .... though IIRC he's made it easier for Hungarian minorities in Slovakia and Romania to vote for him).

And there was never any youth party in Hungary (a big part of what Tisza is about).

If Braun can suck off (as it were) the nazi-soviet sympathisers into his camp then konfa can stop obsessing about culture war issues and concentrate on issues that matter to younger voters (cause neither PiS nor KO really worry about that).

It is. But still, recently they started talking about PolExit, so it's no longer Orbanization they are aiming at but Lukashenkization. That's how desperate they are.

Polish bishops against PiS's anti-German rhetoric...

tygodnikpowszechny.pl/biskupi-polski-i-niemiec-przeciwni-antyniemieckiej-retoryce-pis

Unfortunately - the bishops note - today "some political actors still try to exploit painful and historically unresolved issues for political purposes."

This is undoubtedly an allusion to PiS's policy, as it is the party that most persistently tries to stir up anti-German sentiment on the Polish political scene.

"For us it is clear," the bishops write, "that political maneuvering based on historical grievances is incompatible with the spirit of reconciliation expressed in the exchange of letters [from 1965]."

@Torqi

....how its going with the Swedes?

Come to think of, they had been really nasty in our lands during the Thirty Years War....we should put up a demand too! We really could need the money...🤓

Let me put this way: I have a feeling that we won't pay the full price for those Saab submarines. ;)

But seriously, this issue has to be finally put to rest--talk to Tusk, he's practically a German, surely you will come up with some sort of symbolic agreement and PiS will have to shut up forever.


Go for it! I would like to see their plundering barbarian Swedish faces when they hear of it. 😂

.....hmmm.....*scratches head*.....okay....what about our soon-to-be-build-polish-german-brigade and....*sigh*....the command-language will be polish! All germans have to learn polish....if that isn't symbolic, then I dunno....Imagine that!!! :)


Heh:) They were quite active during their high times in Europe...did they ever once pay reparations???

Division!


... and I bet they think we forgot! Like hell we did! :)


Scandalous. I am writing to my local PiS MP (for whom I didn't vote lol) to investigate the matter further - that should take some heat off your back.

*phew* 😬

I'll go shopping at Rossmann, then I'll buy myself a vacuum cleaner and a Thermomix from Vorwerk, and finally I'll buy myself a case of Fritz Cola. Why? Because these three companies officially want nothing to do with the AfD. 😁

\ What's wrong with you? You are like KO/PiS politicians, symbolic, shambolic.
Maybe they should pay you a symbolic salary, eh?

The Germans paid reparations to everyone and their mothers-they even paid the Jews double-yet they didn't spend a dime on Poland. They owe those reparations, and no amount of their propaganda and nonsense is going to change that. If the circumstances were reversed, do you think they would be discussing symbolic compensation?

Are you doing this because it would make BB sad? Let him be sad, as they say, facts don't care about feelings. If he can't face a frank and factual reality, then he's not really a friend.
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They can't even agree on a few simple issues. What division? lol!

He is your last friend.

🥺

That's pretty much what they do, so I have to work three jobs. xD


OK, let's assume your point of view - so in your scenario Poland stubbornly asks for c*untillions of euros of reparations and Germany stubbornly refuses. This happens in 2025, goes on to 2045 and is still the same in 2105.

How about: Poland officially, legally recognizes that the 20% of pre-WW2 German territory and billions of euro in support since 2004 constitutes 99% of reparations and the remaining 1%, a symbolic amount, is spent to rebuild the Saxon Palace in Warsaw or create a German-Polish Cultural and Historical Institute (with stipends for scholars and students, common cultural projects etc.), and - now get this - we finally put WW2 behind us and seriously tighten the cooperation and integration of the EU, of which Germany is an indispensible part. Oh, the horror! :)

Alternatively, we can keep on demanding the reparations, beefing up pro-putinist and populist forces on both sides of the border. Perhaps you think that negotiating reparations with AfD government would be easier? Good luck.


No, I am doing this because it is the right thing to do. For the sake of the future you sometimes have to leave history to historians. You know the history of my family in Galicja. I could bear grudge against Ukrainians forever and wish them defeat and the fall of their country. I don't do that. Why? Because the good of Poland is more important than my own personal grudges.

Good relations with Germany and more closely integrated EU with both Poland and Germany as its indispensible parts is much more important than those imaginary c*ntillions of euros (which we aren't going to get anyway).

THAT!

We don't have any yet???? WHY????


That too....absolutely agreeable! *nods*

(I love old historical buildings remade to their former glory....no matter what, where or what cost!)

Well, there are separate, smaller initiatives but nothing big and coordinated. We need one organization (on steroids!) to coordinate and reinforce all such actions, and aim them mostly at younger generations, so we can finally put the past behind us and destroy all the old fears and grudges.

The EU with Germany and Poland connected with ties of close cooperation and - why not? - even friendship would be so much stronger.


Well, if you ever become the German Chancellor and I the Polish PM, we know what's going to happen. :)

Oh, the irony ... Poland wants money from Germans to support Ukrainians to kill Russians...happy to host Americans to protect their Polish asses in case something goes wrong ...

That script would be rejected instantly...

Our old dream, right? :)

Germany and Poland....instead of the loser France! Heh:)

Aaaah... our beloved Gerpolia. :) Like Austro-Hungary only much better!


We still keep them as suppliers of wine and cheese, and they will have to help us develop our own nuclear forces.

.....true too....they have them nukes....

France is one of the few countries in the world that produces everything from toilet paper to space rockets.

....where do they sell that? Not in Germany....

Spray on French perfume and drive to a French movie in a French car, dressed in French clothes, of course. 😁

.....that would cause such a crowd! :)

If I do it, no. If the Polish government however does or has done it repeatedly, then yes it changes the legal reality. Even if the waiver was supposedly initially invalid according to Polish law, successive Polish governments confirming its validity has made it so.


They don't have a leg on to stand on right now, legally speaking. They have turned a closed legal issue into a moral one and have constructed some legal arguments to give it more legitimacy.


Yeah, and Germany should ask France for reparations for the 30-years war or the wars of Louis XIV....

But that goes to show that there is no reasoning with such people. Some people are just happy feeling resentful and unfairly treated. All one can do is ignore them, the sane ones are going to get around in time.

How do you tell if a Polak is insane?

Ask him if Poland should have nukes.

If he says yes, get closer to check if he is drunk.

Money or secret services. If it looks stupid and suicidal, then pressure, blackmail or making him a scapegoat for the party can be either a effect, outcome or consequence of stuff happening behind the scenes.

PiS rhetorically is anti-German and coins every opportunity it can to appear anti-German to look as the opposite of Donald Tusks gang. Doesn't stop them from signing deals at EU parliament or halting trade with Germany. In fact I challange anyone to check if trade value/volume increased or decreased during PiS presidents or Prime Ministers reigned in Poland... Look what they do, not what they say. Unless you know that they do what they say that is.

Also no German sane voter nor politician will want or go back to reparations to Poland. It would need a literal gun pointed to their heads by aligning with the Russian Federation which is out of the question. I don't know what moron even brought up this topic, it's as validly argued by both Tacitus and BB here, as a can of worms.

If any Pole ever seriously thinks Germany is going to send Poland "Free" money. Cause that is how it is viewed shamelessly, out of their own free will. You might order a big white board to go into the funeral casket with "Still waiting".

My family has had a lot of experiences with Germans and only time I've experienced good will donations are for supporting Catholic communities abroad.

I would been completely shocked if German political parties voted for reparations to Poland, that the Russian duma invited scientists and artists to a special forum to be hosted in Kiev with Ukrainian representatives as "honorary brethren", for British media to push for a "jolly festival" of British-Irish relations or for Czech/Slavic statesmen to travel annually to Poland to mark their respects and joy from having Poland as their neighbouring state to celebrate ever lasting Slavic brotherhood between western Slavs.

The reperations amount should be reduced by the benefits of German occupation.

Destroying Warsaw being one of them...

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