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Gdańsk, Danzig: Was prince Mieszko the first to land there?


polskisoldier88 5 | 11
27 Jun 2010  #1
ok i need help i love polish history and i think prince Mieszko was the first to land there but everytime i talk to a german of course its always germans who found it pls help me
polishmeknob 5 | 155
27 Jun 2010  #2
It was a Slavic settlement at first. It was a German city for about 700 years. The Germans were really the ones who developed it and grew it in size and importance (same with Szczecin.)

Shhhhh… you hear that? *tap*tap*tap* That's the millions of Poles who will reply angrily, with angst-ridden messages and torrents bitter hate!
ender 5 | 398
27 Jun 2010  #3
Foundation and the Middle Ages, Germans in the course of the Ostsiedlung established a settlement in the area of the earlier fortress.[citation needed]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gdańsk
skysoulmate 14 | 1,297
27 Jun 2010  #4
Mieszko was the first to land there

The first to land there? I'd say neither the Germans nor the Poles were there first.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oksywie_culture
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wielbark_culture
ender 5 | 398
27 Jun 2010  #5
997-1308: as part of Poland (Polish)
1308-1454: as part of the territory of the Teutonic Order (German)
1454-1466: Thirteen Years' War (German)
1466-1793: as part of Poland (German)
1793-1805: as part of Prussia (German)
1807-1814: as a free city (German)
1815-1871: as part of Prussia (German)
1871-1918: as part of Imperial Germany (German)
1918-1939: as a free city (German)
1939-1945: as part of Nazi Germany (German)
1945–present: as part of Poland (Polish)

311y+327y+65y=703y as a part of Poland
144y+12y+56y+47y+6y=265y as a Germany
7y+21y=28y as a free city
but honestly speaking for 637y it was typical German city
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
27 Jun 2010  #6
Shhhhh... you hear that? *tap*tap*tap* That's the millions of Poles who will reply angrily, with angst-ridden messages and torrents bitter hate!

Last i checked it was a very well developed polish harbor when in 1309 Teutonic Order conquered it and butchered the Poles livinf there so that f*cks up your version a lot.

Poles were between 40% and 60% of the population untill late XVI century and an important part of city development, the city town hall for example was built by polish kings in XVI century so that messes up your version even more.

All in all it was a polish built, polish developed and predominantly polish city for most of its history with Germans forming a significant minority and later a majority, it became a German city only during the partitions with a strong German majority living there a century earlier.

Nothing to hate mate you just dont know history.

talk to a german of course its always germans who found it pls help me

According to Germans Kraków Poznań and all other major Polish cities were developed by them, they brought us the torch of civilisation and everything that might present Germany as a historically backwards state that didnt do a lot of developing gets ignored.

If you want to p*ss them off ask about religious tolerance in Germany and compare it Poland.

but honestly speaking for 637y it was typical German city

No it was not, thats a historical myth propagated by german historiography, show a me a typical german city that has its administrative buildings built by a polish king.

The first to land there? I'd say neither the Germans nor the Poles were there first.

What he may mean is that Poles were the guys who actually built city of Gdańsk and thats correct, its was a fortified port built by Mieszko, of course there were other people on the spot before though.
smurf 39 | 1,982
27 Jun 2010  #8
a bit off topic but I think the name Danzig sounds way better, but only coz of yer man that used to be in the Misfits
ender 5 | 398
27 Jun 2010  #9
Sokrates
bollox my friend. but if you tell me where from Poland's flag colours are derived from I would respond to your post
David_18 68 | 982
27 Jun 2010  #10
All in all it was a polish built

Im really laughing at people when they say that the germans built Gdansk etc etc.

POLAND was/is a country with architecture Influences from all over europe. Dutch German Italian even arabian jewish armenian etc etc etc.

And why is it so?

Since Poland was a place where very many people migrated too. Why? money ofcourse.

Nowhere in Europe can you find citys with so many different Architecture Influences like in Poland. And in ukraine that belonged to Poland in those times.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
27 Jun 2010  #11
Im really laughing at people when they say that the germans built Gdansk etc etc.

Well Germans did have a large part in developing the city, they did not however establish it nor made it what it became later, they were just a part of the larger society, a significant part without which Gdańsk wouldnt be what it was but the same can be said of Poles and Poles did build it.

bollox my friend. but if you tell me where from Poland's flag colours are derived from I would respond to your post

Google Gdańsk arsenal, Gdańsk Court or Gdańsk townhall, not my fault people like you choose to have opinions without reading a book.
ender 5 | 398
27 Jun 2010  #12
bollox my friend :-) I read more book within 1 year then you in your whole life. Where are colors of polish flag came from?
David_18 68 | 982
27 Jun 2010  #13
THEY COME FROM ENGLAND YES??????
ender 5 | 398
27 Jun 2010  #14
David_18
yes my child. now, take your toys and go play in sandbox
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
27 Jun 2010  #15
I read more book within 1 year then you in your whole life. Where are colors of polish flag came from?

Original is carmazine red that was - Europe wide seen as a color of nobility, wealth and status, white came from an eagle in 1792, the eagle is an ancestral feature from the coat of arms Europe wide.

The colors are original to Poland and have not been influenced by any culture for as long as we can trace back.

To answer specifically, polish flag came from polish coat of arms.

I read more book within 1 year

You've read so many books yet you cant write in proper english:)))
David_18 68 | 982
27 Jun 2010  #16
yes my child. now, take your toys and go play in sandbox

The day i will play in a sandbox, is the day when your IQ rise to 10. Which is never :)
ender 5 | 398
27 Jun 2010  #17
Sokrates

White and red were officially adopted as national colors in 1831. They are of heraldic origin and derive from the tinctures (colors) of the coats of arms of the two constituent nations of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, i.e. the White Eagle of Poland and the Pursuer (Lithuanian: Vytis, Polish: Pogoń) of Lithuania, a white knight riding a white horse, both on a red shield. Prior to that, Polish soldiers wore cockades of various color combinations. The national flag was officially adopted in 1919.

shortly white is colour of king (btw white was colour of frenh kings either) and the red was a colour of grand duke of lithuania.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
27 Jun 2010  #18
Really? So why did Poland use white eagle in the crimson field, crowned looking left. in 1331 long before the union between Poland and Lithuania?:))))

Prior to that, Polish soldiers wore cockades of various color combinations

First of all Polish soldiers never wore ribbons with the exception of the Foreign Autorament, second of all you're telling me prior to 1831 Poland didnt use red and white as its national colors?

How do you explain that then:

I can agree with you that in 1831 the pattern of the flag was finally institutionalized but the red and white as national colors have been around for more than three centuries by then and before that they were royal and prior to that ducal colors pretty much for 1000 years of our history so whats your point?

By the way for the first time the flag was paternalized in 1792 not 831:)
ender 5 | 398
27 Jun 2010  #19
you cant write

You can't write English. Amateur.

The day i will play in a sandbox

Don't worry at least I know what does IQ means.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
27 Jun 2010  #20
You can't write English. Amateur.

Seems like we have something in common then, by the way whats your point about origins of the Polish flag, now that you've got educated?:)

Don't worry at least I know what does IQ means.

In your case, irritating qnt:))))
ender 5 | 398
27 Jun 2010  #21
whats your point about origins of the Polish flag

MOST of them don't know where they are derived from. They were taught: red is blood of labors or soldiers or ble ble, white is peace or snow or other crap.

About Danzig for 627 years WAS city of Germans, doesn't belong to any German state, was typical German city with Polish minority. For most of this time German citizen of Gdansk WANTED to be part of Kingdom of Poland for many reasons such as freedom of religion or lack of tax.

In your case, irritating qnt:)

still better educated qnt then you, obviously.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
27 Jun 2010  #22
MOST of them don't know where they are derived from.

Who's "them"?

About Danzig for 627 years WAS city of Germans

Specifics please, when was it a "city of Germans"?:)

doesn't belong to any German state

What state did it belong to then?:) It was authonomous but authonomy still means you're a member of some state, which state was that?

was typical German city with Polish minority.

Was it typical for German cities to have Polish mayors and polish built administrative centers?:)

For most of this time German citizen of Gdansk WANTED to be part of Kingdom of Poland for many reasons such as freedom of religion or lack of tax.

So did the Polish citizens of Gdańsk, the Danish, the Scots, the Jews and many more so your point is?

Also are you sure Gdańsk was not taxed?:)

still better educated qnt then you, obviously.

You prove it with every post you make too!;))))
ender 5 | 398
27 Jun 2010  #23
You prove it with every post you make

thank you
All of your questions provides to one conclusion, you don't understand how Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth worked.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
27 Jun 2010  #24
How did it work, enlighten us:) You've made some false claims already, you claimed that the polish flag was insitutionalised in 1831, it was not, it was done in 1792, you completely ignored my questions about why Gdańsk, a German city, according to you had polish mayors and administrative buildings including polish commissioner town hall.

Was that typical of German cities?
ender 5 | 398
27 Jun 2010  #25
it was done in 1792

Not officially. Can you find in Ustawa Rządowa z 3 maja 1791 r. any information about colours of Polish flag?

German city, according to you had polish mayors and administrative buildings including polish commisioned town hall.

It was same way German city as Wilno in XV was Lithuenian city and Lwów Ruthenian and Kazimierz was Jewish city.
Do you understand difference between Polish and Poland's, German and Germany's, Lithuanian and Lithuania's. I could be more simpler but don't want to.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
28 Jun 2010  #26
It was same way German city as Wilno in XV was Lithuenian city and Lwów Ruthenian and Kazimierz was Jewish city.

Ah so it was a "German city" because you say so, now its all clear:)

Not officially. Can you find in Ustawa Rządowa z 3 maja 1791 r. any information about colours of Polish flag?

I'm sorry you asked me where did the polish colors come from, then you made up some thing about Lithuanian chaser, i provided proof that they've been around for about 300 years prior to that and they come purely from Polish heraldry.

Do you understand difference between Polish and Poland's

Absolutely, i also understand its irrelevance, if a settlement has been established by a single nation, its major developments were under the guiding power of that nation then even if its temporarily inhabited by a minority or a majority of any other ethnicity its still said nations city if its under said nations governance.

Your points are completely missplaced.
ender 5 | 398
30 Jun 2010  #27
temporarily inhabited by a minority or a majority of any other ethnicity its still said nations city

I don't want to be like Hairy but.

if a settlement has been established by a single nation, its major developments were under the guiding power of that nation

Vilnius
Established by Lithuanian rulers though the history ALWAYS part Grand Duchy of Lithuania except couple months after 3 of May 1791 then part Russian Empire.
ergo Lithuanian city
but for me it is Polish city but you don't understand that of course.
See my view of world is organized yours is in mess. I hope one day you will understand how Polish Commonwealth worked. Please accept Poland in your meaning start existing from 1918

I wont waste my time on you anymore.
plk123 8 | 4,150
30 Jun 2010  #28
white eagle in the crimson field, crowned looking left.

the eagle is actually looking to its right..

Polish Commonwealth worked

what does that have to do with the polish city of Gdańsk?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
2 Jul 2010  #29
Vilnius

No argument there ender, Villinus is a Lithuanian city and any polish claims to it were morally wrong (though invading Lithuania after they supported Soviets was the correct thing to do).

Gdańsk however was built and developed into a city by Poles, Germans added significantly to its splendor and power but they were not the sole political elites of the city nor its administrative rulers.

Matter of fact when Gdańsk had its war with Poland its mayor was a Pole born from one of the oldest polish merchant families of Gdańsk so my point still stands, Gdańsk was a polish city temporarily inhabited by Germans.

but for me it is Polish city but you don't understand that of course.

No i dont Villinus was ethnically, politically and territorialy lithuanian.

See my view of world is organized yours is in mess. I hope one day you will understand how Polish Commonwealth worked.

Your view is based on your opinion and complete ignorance of polish history.

Please accept Poland in your meaning start existing from 1918

Before that Poland existed as The Crown, learn history then enter the discussion.
Sick0 - | 11
2 Jul 2010  #30
polishmeknob
It was a Slavic settlement at first. It was a German city for about 700 years. The Germans were really the ones who developed it and grew it in size and importance (same with Szczecin.)

Shhhhh… you hear that? *tap*tap*tap* That's the millions of Poles who will reply angrily, with angst-ridden messages and torrents bitter hate

youre stupid as most of Americans but i guess its not yoru fault ..


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