Incels in Poland

Well, if you think I will start a campaign for women to be less picky you will be disappointed.

The idea that being single or even a virgin gives you a right to be a moaning, hateful, aggressive jack*as is quite funny. Didn't work out? Tough sh*t. Deal with it.

Good. They've been disempowered in most other ways so who can blame them?

Incels and other misogynists, that's who...


Probably.

Why would I expect that? I'm not insane.

The problem isn't that some random group of men decided one day they hated women but that social forces much larger than any individuals have created a situation where many men who would have done fine in life 50 or 40 or 30 years ago as reasonably happily married and employed men (the backbone of any economy) are now being forced out of the labor market and find themselves with no real prospects of ever forming a family.... that should be heartbreaking because a lot of the women they would have married also face a pretty bleak future..... spinsterhood or single motherhood are poor substitutes for most women who want to have families.

There have always been random misogynists and/or misfits around, they're irrelevant to this discussion of large numbers of young men who, through no fault of their own, find themselves without any kind of emotionally fulfilling future (and a lot of women who'll be in that same place 15 to 20 years later).

That's not a blame it's just fact since the beginning of our existence so that's nothing new either. Once I asked a very wise friend of mine why he goes to church regularly knowing that GOD is imaginary figure... his answer opened my mind... the answer was, "it's good to be scared of something, if we don't have it the world will be chaos, our life will become a circus"... that's the same difference between women of past and present... if that's your definition of "empowerment" then it includes its own side effects...

How? Because from what I see most countries are generally ok-ish in that respect?

I agree that a lot of those guys somehow fell into the society's black hole but I don't think it's that completely without their participation and seriously bit*ing about women and becoming aggressive is making sure that they will stay misfits.

It's one thing to see a guy who is maybe a bit shy and doesn't have the courage to chat girls up (especially if the first steps are hurtful) and is lonely but still try to have a full life and some punk who thinks it's somehow his right to get the girls.

They are not talking about relationships and family, they talk about sex.

Btw, there was supposed to be a smile after that comment about me campaigning.

@Lenka
Demographics are dropping, divorces increase (more children without a mother or father role model or even lack of both)
Hook up culture increases, marriage is seen as less and less holy.

It's bad

coping mechanism....


Welcome to planet Men... : )

Demographics are dropping in every developed country for a simple reason- kids are wonderful but they are hard work, divorces happen, sadly but it has nothing to do with incels nor does it necessarily mean the kid doesn't have both parents as role models.

Hook ups- do you mean one night stands or couples without marriage.

And well, I never saw anything holy in a marriage.

Maf, I'm not buying it. I think they found a scapegoat for their own shortcomings. Not that unusual but they take it to the extreme.

@Lenka
Hook up's I mean one night stands,

Also I wouldn't be telling everyone you don't see marriage as Holy (religions/believer or not)

Men value loyalty a lot. Telling everyone around you that promising loyalty towards one another in a social setting... isn't...

I hope you understand what I mean

Problem one- you start with what man value. Why should I care? Do you think I'm on a man hunt? And even than wouldn't it be better if I was myself and found a partner who knows me instead of trying to please him?

But other than that, being loyal is one thing, being married is another. One really doesn't have to get married to be loyal and being married didn't stop people from being disloyal

As to one night stands- the whole problems for incels is that they are not getting them

So what's the development? or you mean trade off? or more precisely speaking Corporates getting richer by making a society where the general population must work hard to the point that having family becomes difficult? those wonderful kids become difficult?

Have you stayed home for few years with a baby?

@Lenka
I wrongly assumed you would want to be conscious about a man's needs. Nevermind

Why would you think you would have to be not yourself? Putting an effort, is not being yourself?

Well tell me this then, which man would you prefer (theoretically)

One who would declare that he loves you, and only wants you infront of all his&your relations.

Or just you and living in a flat together

Partners wanting to please each other is a very good thing.... one side feeling they shouldn't have to make the effort.... ticket to Singlesville....


Yeah, that's insane that that's expected... the old way with extended families meant that no one person was overwhelmed by having to deal with a baby all day (which is mentally and physically exhausting).

Not man in general. No. Not in relation to me. It's good to know for discussion purposes but not in any indication as to my behaviour.


Not saying something that you think because the other side my not like it is (unasked for hurtful comments aside)


I can honestly say either. I have no fear/hatred for marriage but I also don't think with any warmth towards it.


What do you mean by making the effort? Pretending being someone else? And the happiest couples I know don't make any effort, they are just...being themselves and it works.


People do forget that. I remember even from my family when I was little that when kids were around every member of the family was involved. The kid would walk around here and there and every adult and teenager would keep an eye/ interact

Can you name me anything great achieved that wasn't "hard"? I didn't stay few years with a baby but I have achieved several things during my lifetime and none of them came "easy"... fruit does not drop from the sky

And that piece of wisdom didn't convince women to have more babies? Shock.

There are some amazing fathers but I wonder what the birth rate would have been if man had to look after their kids for the first 2 years

However this is conversation for a different thread. Incels don't get to that stage

@Lenka
Allright

The problem with incels (through our history) is that their lack of a partner tend to make them seek other men in the same situation (think of a Lion pack basically) and create some obscure idea that their willing to die and fight for (basically having nothing else to do, they seek purpose). Then calms down after that movement possibly grows and changes the narrative in society (Think Nazi's in Germany 1920-1940)

Young men without prospects (not only in courting) make one of the most unstable and volatile elements in a society. How horrible as it sounds, America has been lucky so far. Imagine them organizing rallies and conspiring to overthrow society upside down, from pure revenge.

Replace "holy" with "commitment for life" and that's what marriage is about. All else is peripheral bs.


Hello, dear refugees - all military-age, angry, frustrated, unemployed men without their own females to bang. That was brilliant, Ms. Merkel.

luckily they just either turn to drink and drugs

True that. Young people in general need occupation, something to keep them busy.

Look at yourself, you said that you gave up women as you can't find someone you like and it's ok. You invest in yourself, find and pursue what you want and that's great! That's why you are not and never would be an incel.

Or a decent size war. Compared with other species, humans have too many males, said Gloria Steinem.

"luckily they just either turn to drink and drugs"

somewhats the difference between them and the ultras? arent ultras also generally unemployable many with records and cant fit in with normie or society? hence why they turn to the arenas or stadiums and war on the cops? i mean are ultras also deep downs usually frustrated hence why they're angry?

lol but Im eurasian guys:

youtu.be/YfzFRauXlqQ

"True that. Young people in general need occupation, something to keep them busy."

going to the stadiums or arenas and fighting other fans or th cops kps th ultras busy.

Sorry I don't know what an ultra is , football hooligan ?

you can look them up or google is your friend. not just hooligans but revolutionaries guys that made maidan and the overthrow of mubarack possible. and in Poland recently fought the metoo and abortion culture.

these guys

youtu.be/MOj8h5Ptfu8

youtu.be/BIo-uB3PBSQ

"create some obscure idea that their willing to die and fight for (basically having nothing else to do, they seek purpose)."

isn't that the same thing as what the ultras do? which of these groups would you guys rather be part of?

I just read the definition and I am really perplexed what that incel nonsense is about.
You don't like being an incel? Don't wear crap, shave, work out, eat right, take two showers every day, live on your own, not with mommy, hold a well-paying job, and walk up to ten good-looking random women with an offer to have a date. In 12 months or less, you will be happily married.

No more inceling.

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why do girls create incels by bullying them?

" Don't wear crap, shave, work out, eat right, take two showers every day, live on your own, not with mommy, hold a well-paying job"

if everyone was able to do that and it was that easy they would be gifting out college degrees for free and criminals would not have to re-offend for being constantly rejected at job applications for being ex cons and no one would be doing the ja itorial work or work at retail. some people like me have journalism degrees others graphic design degrees its not our fault how ****** these markets became and how hard it is getting any work in our fields.

Bullying is good. It's a quick test of your testosterone without going to a clinic. Women and kids test all the time to see if the guy in front is a weasel or a man.

When my roommate got too close to my gf I told him that if he does one more time, I will break his legs.

so how do you react when youre bullied by anyone or females in particular? or when they try to cuck you for free drinks or vodka bottles like those teenage girls near the plaza in front of zloty tarase tried to me. also to add to the above some people like me are artists it is just in the blood. and artists always were and will be starving. its a calling in life though something that grabs you and you cant control you either are one or are not. no one is more of w loser. id. uch rather be a free thinker and an artist than some tight ass retarded normi tight pant wearing posh faggit in a suit going to some office building every day.

Incel is bs. It's shyness and the fear of rejection. Men don't handle rejection very well.