How do Polish men feel about gender equality?

Don't confuse the margin with the norm.

I mean, Polish guys are kinda bossy (my experience in Poland) but this can't be what majority of them think about women and if it is, then there's no wonder why so many Polish women are marrying foreigners.

But how can you teach the margin what the norm is? It starts in your home. I'm so glad I was not brought up in Socrates's home. I wonder if he's got a sister.

I would say that we're strongly opinionated but not bossy.

My guess is that you need to look for an intelligent person that you can reason with as a life partner.

of course, it's all about making choices. What I meant about bossy is that anytime we went to visit our Polish friends, the husband always kept us company while his wife was running her butt off between the kitchen, fixing meals and the living room, serving. I've never experienced any guy helping his wife in the kitchen.

honey you don't want me in the kitchen, i'll set things on fire, break a few dishes, make a huge mess. You want your oven fixed, shoot a raccoon outside, carry some heavy stuff for you, I'm your guy. :)

OK, how about just helping your wife to serve your guests? (this is what I meant).



if you shoot any animal, you wouldn't be my guy, I love animals.

Sure i don't care, if she asked me i would.


Me too but i hate raccoons. I wouldn't shoot it , well maybe a little. ;)

we have a raccoon that comes everyday to our door and we feed him and then he plays with my cat (they're friends).

From what I hear from my husband and his Polish family, women in Poland are not really treated equally at all. They're usually delegated to "women's" tasks, which mainly means they're expected to take care of the household and children, and it's really unheard of for the guy to stay at home while the woman works. Women's unemployment rate is higher, they earn less money, and they're virtually unrepresented in management positions, not to mention there are professions that are considered "not for girls," like engineering. Women are mainly supposed to be teachers, or nurses, or work in retail, or do some general administrative support. Anti-gender discrimination employment laws exist on paper but not in practice, so it's ok for an employer to ask women to wear makeup or high heels (although I hope this part is really not true any more...)

So, the question about how MEN feel about gender equality is irrelevant, women shouldn't be in a position to have ask the guys for approval to be equal. Women ARE equal, and guys should just learn to live with it (unless we need help with fixing things or carrying heavy stuff :)

A man ( a husband) should be able to help his mate in the kitchen and anywhere she needs helps or want one. And, Havok, she should not need to ask you :).

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then again, no one really needs to ask Polish women to wear make up and high heels, they do it anyway.
They don't even go out of the house unless "dressed for success" :-) I bet the guys love it however it would be way to uncomfortable for me to do it all the time (not to even mention that wearing high heels is pretty unhealthy).

whatever, I'm not doing it.


but it makes you girls look hot and we guys like it.

yeah, I said it above but it's not just about what you guys like, sorry.

Yeah, give me sneakers and jeans any day. My comfort is more important than your desire.If you want ME, it doesn't matter what I wear. If it does, you're not my type anyway. :)

I think it is princesses ;) and there is nothing wrong with being attractive and very smart at the same time.

Yeah. Clothes are not making a man(woman), men(women) are making clothes. :)
(AND KIDS IN CHINA!) :(

lol i know but all my clothes are hand made here in the US out of raccoon pelts. They're nice and comfy.

Girls like to dress nice and look sexy for the guys, it's a fact. I had nothing to do with it Eurola, i swear.

actually a very true statement. This is how I see it too. Besides, who says that the guys are here to choose someone or something, lol


your luck, you see it as a joke what you just said :-)


well, there's something wrong with it when we have to be attractive when you guys want us to be attractive. In my case, it doesn't really matter, I wouldn't listen to any guy to begin with. Just like Eurola said, either you like me the way I am or hit the road jack, lol

I know you have nothing to do with it. My jeans and T-Shirts (and suits I used to wear to work), are made in China too! Don't get me wrong, I wear high hills when going out, sometimes; it's a love/hate relationship with them. Looks good but a pain in the ankles. :) Arrghh, the sacrifice. It ain't worth most of the time.

yeah, almost never, lol

True. Close to never. I dress up, I put some make up on...big smile..., and I meet a bunch of losers who think they are kings. Sometimes I wish I had the male ego.

then you might end up fighting with them, lol

I still do. I don't have too high expectations...Just be showered, have clean clothes on, be able to fix a faucet drip, know some current events...don't rely on GPS for directions...just because you make 75k + you don't have to be oblivious to the normal stuff around you.

Well in the end girls, everybody needs somebody, and we tend to do whatever it takes in order to get it. Everyone needs to make sacrifices, guys or girls the same, because you know as well as i do, if you fu.ck around for too long, one day you may end up old, grumpy and lonely...

yeah, "The Blues Brothers" great choice Havok :-)

and on PF! lol. :) Yikes! Therefore, that's it for me. Off to bed!

yeah, terrible vision indeed, lol

Eurola: "About time we stop making 76 cents (I think that's the latest) on your dollar. We are better than you anyway. Viva feminists!"

I'll try to explain this to you without insulting you but I would have thought that clear thinking people know that the "pay-gap" issue is feminist agenda driven and false, and indeed, it's been debunked for 20 years now. Evidently, feminist groups keep this fiction at the forefront because some people like you still buy into it without looking at the full facts.

There are primary reasons why women earn less than men. . The so called "pay gap" is nothing more than a lumping of all jobs worked by men and women. It's a snapshot of all current full-time workers. It does not reflect relevant factors which I will now briefly explain to you.

Men work longer hours than women: Women in full-time jobs work an average of 42 hours a week, compared to 45 for men. Men are also far more likely to work more than 50 hours a week. (Dept. of Labor). Additionally, a decade after graduation, 39 percent of women are out of the work force or working part time -- compared with only 3 percent of men. Family and children are the main reason for this. Full time working women also take more sick days than men. Seniority in jobs therefore favors men.

Men work in occupations that women don't (or very few work in). If 50% of all long-haul truck drivers, hazmat divers, electrical powerline installers, oil rig workers, welders, crane operators, roofers, cops, firefighters, etc,etc,etc, were women than there would be no pay gap. These kinds of jobs pay more. Women prefer to work in the safer jobs, less dirty jobs and in cleaner jobs. Here's a "gap" for you. Because of the kinds of work that men do and women don't; men are year-after-year 93%-94% of all job fatalities.Funny, that feminists who constantly shriek about pay discrimination somehow ignore this one-sided statistic- isn't it?

Now, in urban areas, young women are out earning young men (more women in colleges) despite the 'dirty' jobs that men do. I can easily make the argument that women are overpaid especially after factoring in the above reality.

About 40 fields of work pay women more than men and the reason is affirmative action. Women in traditionally non female work environments are sought after so that they can be numbers that are eventually submitted to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC). This obviously discriminates against men (and I've regrettably had to do that myself in the past). For example;

female sales engineers are paid 20% more than men (for the same work). ... and on it goes

The "Federal Programs Benefiting Women" book is 121 pages thick. There is no such book for men. I hope this helps explain the 'fuller facts' about the bogus "wage-gap" but I would think that 'common sense' would have done that.