Polish men are complete doormats (especially after they get married)

men get something but it isnt a diamond ..

but lets take a closer view of this.....

Isnt it the man who goes out and picks the ring???
so that would suggest hes making his betrothed the center of attention
because he wants to spend the rest of his life with her... correct??

Yea, what is it? Be specific! (if you're referring to sex then you are hopelessly out of date).
Also, it's proof of how materialistic women are in preferring diamonds to human interaction.


I've often stated how women are the ones who seem to have a need to be the center of attention. My latest is in post #58 where I note; "it means the woman is the center of attention. It's in your genes." Your comment suggests that you agree with me, perhaps without you even knowing it.

The modern woman feels she should retain all traditional benefits and protections while demanding false pick-and-choose equality and giving up none of her habitual privileges.

That's the true definition of sexism and women have it in higher percentages than men.

it goes back to when men were the sole bread winners coupled with persistent marketing from De Biers. Financially speaking, the whole 3 months salary was just a number put forward by the industry which would net them the most cash. Sure, nowadays, women make just as much money but that's the thing with societal practices, they all don't change at the same rate or for the same reasons.


It is expected of him within North American society. If a man could forgo the whole ring shopping scenario, he would. What's interesting is that you would equate buying an expensive ring for a woman to signify something more than what it is. Many a cheater has blinded his quarry with shiny rings and such.

Of the happiest married people I know, not one of them spent money on nor received an engagement ring.

Zimmy and Patrycja19, both of you seem to think in the simplest and most unimaginative paradigms. SMARTEN the FCUK UP!

I charge for the imaginative ones. The others you get free.


Yes indeed, you are quite the prosaic and erudite writer. This example of your fertile imagination is quite revealing.

You cannot paint all Polish girls with the same brush. In Krakow, you will find that most girls are very low maintenance - certainly lower maintenance than western girls. Buy them a cup of coffee and an ice-cream and they're satisfied. Dinners you can make at home - it's not hard to learn how to cook, and they like it when you can cook something exotic for them. Of course, there are gold digging sl*ts too but you can spot them a mile away. Also, Warsaw girls tend to expect much more e.g. restaurant dinners, cocktails, etc. But it's nothing like the girls in Ukraine, for example, who make no effort to hide their intentions. Subtelty is definitely not a character trait I'd attribute to Ukrainian girls.

Yeah, Polish girls go for the romance too, but I find that your chances of getting laid more quickly (if that's what you're after) are higher if you don't give everything they want.

The Mediterranean might act more submissively, but he'll never be submissive.

Same theme whether it's low maintenance, high maintenance, sometimes maintenance or whatever. Women inherently want freebies of some sort. After all, aren't they the center of the universe?

Now, can you imagine if men acted this way? Dating would become obsolete except to the most truly advanced men and women who stopped playing this female 'gimme game'.

Women will howl at my comments but deep down they know the objective truth. They just don't want to give up their culturally structured advantages while hypocritically crying "discrimination" at the drop of a hat.

Like the inspector Captain Renault in the movie, "Casablanca". They pretend to be "shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

If a polish girl is for free and you don\\\'t propose to her inside 6 months after first sex,you lose her.But sponsored ones keep going.

The problem in mediteranean countries is the tight social control which in girls case means:
1.They posess a huge information pool about you from other girls and guys
2.They don\\\'t give you ground for pick up in order that you do not to appear better than their friends or wannabe boyfriends.There are circles and if you don\\\'t belong to a circle they try to decrease your value.

Of course the Balkan answer is to write them on our testes and go for the Slavic women who are more open without silly complexes and paranoia.

really?? do you know how to read sarcasm or does common sense blow right thru your
one strand of alph alpha hair?

[quote=Foreigner4] What's interesting is that you would equate buying an expensive ring for a woman to signify something more than what it is.

Im speaking of traditional weddings..our north american ones, you know the ones you
thought you had to tell me about.
I also didnt equate anything with it, most of the people I know arent married, its not
so traditional anymore , least not in this day and age..

maybe instead of tellin people to smarten up you should do the same.

some are not doormats. Some are secure enough to let their women have their show. Much more of a turn-on than a peacock worried all the time about what casual observers might think.

That's the thing, you're kind of unable to properly transcribe your thoughts into words and still have them convey the thought you were going with. Naturally I wouldn't give you the benefit of the doubt.


See, here you actually wrote quite a bit but evaded making a sensible or coherent point towards whatever argument you had imagined prior to writing. Seriously read your repsonse, you wrote "it's not traditional anymore" but then added "least not in this day and age." Y'know the word "anymore" kind of made the last part redundant.

You were speaking of "traditional weddings" as opposed to matrimonial services or las vegas style weddings or what? It didn't need clarifying.

And yes you equated a man buying a ring with wanting to spend the rest of his life with a woman. My point was that divorce is commonplace in North America and that isn't because only women want them.


Men do too, it's a human condition. Your woman hating is pathetic. There are plenty of women in the world who are strong in a way you (nor I for that matter) would be able to imagine. Don't forsake women, maybe shirk the society that breeds this princess syndrome you write of. Reject the apparent simpletons that cater to this train of thought but don't villainize women. Erudite enough for you? Don't answer.

Now both of you, this is me being right and you two fcuktards being fcuktards. See these pearls of truth I'm sharing with you and cease being swine.

For the record I don't think Polish men are doormats. It seems society here is geared towards the husband focusing slightly more on bringing home the bacon while the wives are much more focused on family upkeep. Are Polish men complaining?

It usually works like that at the beginning. But when a woman becomes emotionally attached to you, the roles can easily reverse, especially if the woman has the financial means. You seem to be referring to gold digging 'sponsoree' types, which admittedly isn't an insignificant group, but doesn't reflect the big picture.

It takes a thoughtful and introspective person to understand my position(s). Evidently, you are not that person.

So many, usually western women have taken a wrong turn when it comes to their supposed "empowerment" and other "political correctness" issues; and of course hatred of men thanks to feminism. No need to go over the myriad of misandrist quotes constantly spewed out by feminist leaders now. (For example, my daughter walked out of a gender studies class at the Univ. of Minnesota because she couldn't stand the constant anti-male rhetoric in it).


No!


Perhaps you can continue this conversation with yourself then.


Not really. If a man spends a lot on the initial dates then the woman will usually assume that's how it's going to be. I recommend that men go 'dutch' on the first date. If a woman finds this unacceptable then you can at least let her know that you are disappointed on how not "empowered" or "independent" she is. After all, isn't that the feminist mantra?


Not necessarily. The average women expects to be treated to dinner and other entertainments. That's been the custom.

It depends on the financial means.If you date poorer polish or russian girls you will pay for sure.I was also told that in CR the man pays for all the date expenses.But when I dated a richer US girl she paid the bill.(more precisely her company paid her \'professional expenses\'.

So one should exercise on the former girls and then put his skills into action with the richer ones(common zigolo way).

Ok, fair point. That's true. but as KP says, it depends on the girl's financial means. I've experienced both sorts of dating. However, I disagree with the suggestion to go dutch if your date is a poor student for example. Basically, you have to decide whether she's worth it. However, as I said, if you want you can easily minimize the spending by cooking for her, watching dvds etc. If the girl earns a decent salary, then it's reasonable to split the expenses. Very often, those girls will offer to pay their way and I may say sth like 'I'll get this one, you pay next time'. But when the girl is attached to you, you can get away with all sorts of things.


Hehe..yes, good philosophy.

Zim,What if the modern woman prefers the same sex, same as the modern man.

so who buys the ring in a same sex marriage?

whos the girl and whos the boy? who buys the rock and who buys the beer?


You know , I worked like 120 plus hours last couple weeks. one of my friends just
called and told my kid ( a 13 year old) to tell your mom that I get the f**kin Picture!
after I listened to her ( as friends do) about her significant other, who by the way
asked her to marry him like eons ago, but never sat down and actually planned a date
with her. so now they are breaking up or in the process, shes going thru mental issues
about his leaving her home with the kids constantly, never home, was told hes been
with other women, hes called her names, belittled her, made her feel like scum of the
earth.. so she is now carrying over this hurt to me.. by saying that I am ignoring her
because I am working 120 hours plus some in two week period, keeping my home running
keeping my bills payed, children happy, while doing everything else it is i have to do
as a mother, while putting up with friends treating me like this...

so I called her back, and told her to keep her ( business) in so many words to her
self. further telling her that I didnt appreciate her calling my home, telling my child
that on the phone.

These are the pearls of truth Im sharing with you..

* you seem like a very unpleasent person to be around* I at one point respected
your insights, but it seems like you are more focused on belittling rather then the
conversation. or even waiting till it was answered.

I am a very good person. so I would appreciate if you would just keep that in mind
as my intentions were not to argue or have that type of conversation with you.

Thanks

Who cares? It's their personal business. There are 12 guys in our poker club; a couple are gay and they're good guys. The rest of us couldn't care less and no, they don't swish.


Same answer, who cares? Besides, I don't like the diamond industry.


It's up to them, maybe they're both girls, or both boys, whatever.


Have I mentioned who cares yet?
That should be the standard for heterosexual unions as well, shouldn't be just the man buying stuff (like diamond rings).

If people would put as much effort into their own lives, rather than poking their noses into what goes on in the bedrooms of other people, we would all do a lot better in life.

I agree 1000%!

,
me too 2000%

Hell yeah! I don't care anymore though, all of the neighbourhood can watch me do my future girlfriend if they want to, although I think it's really pathetic and sad to watch another couple do what you should be doing..

:)

I am a doormat :(
*cries*

but only half, right? oh god, that's even worse. not even a complete doormat. just half a doormat, laying there, getting stepped on every now and then.

I am half Polish and half Norwegian but unlucky I am a full doormat :/
I always wish I was more masculine but I am really a big Sissie...

Although I remember saving the School from fire heroically by reacting reflexive and taking the napkin which was on fire carry it out and trample it down in the snow. All of the school was in ave from me doing the deed.

Still when it comes to women I am most often quite on the soft side and "Gentlemen" like opening doors etc. Teachers always looked so weird on me when I opened doors for em etc.

1 time I misinterpreted an older womens gest, I wanted her to go first on the bus but she didn't move so I thought she wanted me to go first, as the bus was already late I thought we shouldn't make too much of an argument over it and I stepped in. Two seconds later I heard a comment "Youth now a days" and to this DAY I feel ill over it and hope I may be forgiven by heavens and god and angels a like for that event.

I am a real doormat :/

hmm....i am italian/irish and my boyfriend is polish...and its true by all means, Polish boys are bloody fantastic!! Sweet, charming, romantic but are by no means push overs. My man is not afraid to speak his mind but also to carry my bags or give me a back rub :)

Here's how you should be;
...

Whats wrong with carrying ur own bag?? If its too heavy, take some stuff out of there. If its ur shopping, u carry it, simple as.

He sounds like a right doormat to me

huh? you did not help ur mother to carry bags???


yes ;>


and punch her eye blue? no, thanks...

I don't know how you call it in Wales, but in Poland it's simply rude.

(Sigh) Oh to be a real man and a gentleman - simultaneously that is - isn't that what women want?

this reminds me of a time i bought some weights and then realized i couldn't carry them out of the shop.