I disagree. There are many similarities between being polite and empathetic. Anyway I didn't say they were the same thing. Being polite means focussing your attention away from your own selfish needs and onto others. Maybe it's only language but a lot of who we are is determined by what we say.
Some Polish people do not apologize for everything in the trams and on the streets, and yes we don't use "przepraszam" to much for strangers, as person who apologies may be seen as weak man to there people. We have been brought up in different political and economical circumstances than western and other nation. Endless wars, the occupation and political and economical crisis brought a lot of fear, distrust and aggression into the polish society. . Everything changes when you get know people a bit closer, when they start to trust you and respect you. In Poland nobody pretends that he/her likes or respect you if he/her doesn't like you or respect you, so you can quickly recognize who is your friend and who is not. You can't see to many fake smiles here.
I am American Polish 4th generation. When I found this site I thought I could find out more about the country my grandparents came from. Instead I mostly got rude and foul remarks which I guess in Poland are amusing. I came away from that experience only knowing Poland wasn't a place that I have nothing in common with but my name and grandparents. That's ashame since it does look like a beautiful country.
I came here for the same reason and found the same as you described. After being here awhile you will find out that the rude and foul remarks are not coming from the Polish people that post here. Those remarks are coming mostly from the British Bullies that post on here. The Polish people here are most helpful with manners. Don't let a few foreigners discourage you from learning about a country our grandparents came from. It is a very beautiful country.
For a Latin, is one. (EG: Arrive 15 minutes late is not considered unpolite for many of them) For a Germanic, is another. For Slavs, is another. For Arabs, is... well, i think that they don't know the concept of politeness so it is impossible to draw the concept of rudeness.
In general, Poles looked polite for me. Don't expect people to walk smiling on the street or things like that, but at least i noticed that most of them respect their old people, for example. And that is a good characteristic.
Some youngs, otherwise, are a bit rude. And they discuss in harsh ways, even educated people. Many times i was called oversensitive just because finished a talk after someone raise the voice.
It doesn't help to confuse rudeness with formality. In shops, offices etc people in PL think they won't be taken seriously if they come across as informal and cordial. Germans can be much the same. To people from some parts of the world that can come across as rudeness.
That is "funny", I was talking about it recently with a Swedish client and he told me that as per Swedish standards, Poles are very agressive and their way of staring at and getting glued to people while staying in lines was most unacceptable for Swedes....
Agreed. A friend actually makes serious cash out of teaching Poles the rules of public behaviour.
In particular, the Polish habit of talking over each other loudly is seen pretty badly. I was in Croatia (not a country known for quietness) and even there, the Poles stood out a mile alongside the Russians.
Probably it's the only thing I genuinely despise about Poland is just how loud people are.
Usually, they are not loud but what bugs me is 1. disappearing like thieves to avoid saying "no" 2. 'irresponsability or rather not being reliable (when I say I'll do something, I do or if not possible, I try my very best to do it) 3. pushing around with their bags 4. staring 5 gluing themselves to me when in lines...
and also those shouting "kurw..." every 2 or 3 words
Probably it's the only thing I genuinely despise about Poland is just how loud people are.
If I was you I'd be glad that Poles are loud so my 15 years old boy's voice wouldn't be heard that much.
per Swedish standards, Poles are very agressive
Yes, unfortunately the Swedish despite being very talented people are quite spineless, just look what they've done to their country in the last decade.
and also those shouting "kurw..." every 2 or 3 words
Polish people seem to me to be very rude indeed. I have to deal with many Polish customers in my job and virtually none of them has managed to grasp the concept of a greeting such as 'hello' or 'good morning'. Most of the time all I get is a withering stare and a grunted request for bags for their shopping. Then they just often throw down the money in payment and take the change without a word whilst turning around to walk away. I sometimes wonder how they act back in Polski and if that is acceptable behaviour. I started out trying to be friendly but now, if I hear what sounds like Polish voices, I don't bother because I know it will be a waste of time. Is there a word in Polish for manners because I really wish that they had learned some before they left home.
There is an old expression in Scotland which goes 'they wouldn't smile if they saw ***** crawling up a wall'. I think that would be very applicable to Polish people here in the UK. Maybe they are only happy amongst their own kind and in their own language but that sort of attitude is not endearing them very much to their hosts here in Britain. It is a real shame because British people are very welcoming to foreign nationals and it is sad sometimes to see them getting snubbed when they try to break the ice with a Polish person. If we went to Poland and only spoke English to each other in front of them and made no effort whatsoever to speak Polish and never smiled and only scowled at them when they spoke how would they like it?
Mr. Wiech - you must realise that to disagree with someone saying that Polish people are rude and disrespectful by insulting them is proving their point. You might try to think about what you say, before you say it.
As for the rest of this thread - 90% generalisation and collectivist ignorance and intolerance.
I live in "little Poland", which is an area of my town where I do not hear English spoken very much at all. Most of my neighbours are Polish, or from some country like this. There are Russians, Turkish, Greek, Muslim, Indian, Pakistani, Nepalese, Latvian, Slovakian and Slovenian, lots of Eastern European people.
I have not found Polish people to be particularly friendly, unless you meet them often. Then - it is often that they can be too friendly :P
Getting dragged out of bed at 2am to drink Zubr and Vodka is fine every now and then, but not 5 nights a week. I had become good friends with some local Polish guys and girls, and we'd play football, have BBQ's, etc... They would swear a lot.
When they became too familiar, they would lose a lot of respect and I felt that they would take advantage of my welcoming and friendly nature.
One time I came home, to find that a guy had brought a girl back - into my house - was in my bed and they had gone through my wardrobe and were laughing at all my possessions. This was unacceptable, so they no longer live here.
The fact that there would often be a large group of Polish guys (all fresh from the gym, because they are obviously scared to look like they can't fight you) would intimidate my older neighbours. Several of them did not like coming home from work only to have to "run the gauntlet" to get into the building.
These people would be drinking lager and vodka, smoking cannabis, taking cocaine, etc...
The thing is - it was rarely the people who lived here. These people would congregate outside the building because they had a friend who lived here. The police were never called, because I prefer to sort things out myself, but I am glad that I can take care of myself - these guys showed no respect and often would "face down" if I took issue with the fact that they were ******* me off so much by always being there and breaking things and leaving the place covered in globs of spit, empty beer cans and cigarette butts.
This, however, is only one group of people (although many in my town experience similar things).
It is not not that Polish people are "impolite" or lack courtesy. It is more that a lot of Polish people (and others) are "inconsiderate".
This inconsideration for their neighbours is usually the reason why their tenancy is not renewed.
Many times I would have to go outside at 4am, to ask them to STFU because you are keeping me and everyone else awake for the third night in a row. They will be playing (terrible :P) music very loudly while working on their cars all afternoon, drinking and shouting to each other, as is happening right now outside my window.
If I say, "mate, please turn the music down - it's driving me crazy", I get a bunch of backchat and sometimes the music is turned up louder.
If I simply close my windows firmly - the music gets turned down quite quickly and / or they go work on their cars somewhere else.
Actions speak louder than words.
When drunk, the women can become very friendly. This makes some the Polish men rather more unfriendly ;p I've experienced a lot of racist comments from drunk Polish people, because I am English.
One guy in the block has conversations with a guy on another street, by shouting out of his window to him. Another guy's car is constantly loaded with so many potatoes that the muffler is almost dragging on the ground and makes a terrible noise when he comes in and out.
The BBQ's and parties are usually a "closed event" and - unless you are friends with the people throwing it - you will not be invited to come over and sit down, have a beer and some food, etc...
This brings me to the next point. The town that I will be leaving soon used to have a sense of "whole" community among its residents. With the influx of so many different cultures - this is no longer the case.
What there is now are many smaller communities who do not mix together. The list that I gave earlier - Russians, Turkish, Greek, Muslim, Indian, Pakistani, Nepalese, Latvian, Slovakian and Slovenian - surprisingly, the "friendliest" and most considerate of these people tend to be Muslims and Indians. However - they do not mix, they are merely polite and often are trying to sell you something or conduct business (so that's why).
There are very strong divides in this community. Russian club, Polish club, Ghurka club, Muslim business club, Russian social club. Even 2nd / 3rd generation Polish people will have a hard time mixing with other nationalities (and they hold British passports). Some of the children born here have a hard time speaking English and are very shy (more often combative) when I say hello, as I have to push past them to get into the building in which I reside.
This, to me, is deeply regrettable. I love to feel a sense of community - many of my neighbours know me and the ones who don't will often recognise me when we do meet, remembering me from, "so-and-so a few years ago", when I have no recollection of them.
The massive influx of migrants has damaged my community as a whole by dividing it into many smaller communities.
This is not like London, where there is a sense of identity, (ie, "we're all Londoners). Here, it is, "this town is a dump, I hang out with my friends, I don't mix with anyone else because I don't have to even speak English if I don't want to".
It is not "Polish people are rude", or "Greeks are untrustworthy", or "Muslims hate whites and women", or "Indians sell phones and chocolate bars", or any other stereotype that has arisen over the past few decades in the UK.
It is that these people have - in all this time - chosen to not integrate into my community as a whole, have not adopted nor adapted British culture into their lives here (hey, be nationalistic all you want - this is England, you're allowed to be... But this is England :P), and appear to make no effort to do so. They have segregated themselves from the native population and - like pretty much ANY expat anywhere in the world - have set up a place that is their own "taste of home".
However, when I am sitting in my front room and do not hear English spoken in the street for days at a time, receive no communication from the people in my neighbourhood, spend most of my time dealing with combative situations with "foreigners" (who hold British passports) and feel that I am alone in my world with no sense of community - THAT is when there is a problem.
I don't give a flying toss who you are or where you come from. I care about who you are now and where you are going - what you are making of this place, right now. What I see is that all these people are making our town into a place I no longer want to be (I hope to leave in two weeks, to live further into the countryside...).
I have been displaced from my community, by those who do not consider themselves a part of it.
Or who are as insulting and ignorant, as many of the people in this post have been (looking at you, Mr. Weich).
And this is why I will be voting to leave the EU on the 26th.
Interestingly enough, the people with "the most different ethnicity" in my town are the ones who have integrated into the community most easily. People with African or Afro-Carribean descent, a lot of Chinese and other East Asian people - they describe themselves as, "English / British, of so-and-so origin".
It's very easy to forget the colour of their skin, because they are the same as me. However - A lot for the Eastern European communities - they make sure that I know that they are not English / British, but "English are ok...".
For the sake of pedantics - The parties and BBQ's and things I mention are in communal areas. Whenever a bunch of "us neighbours" get together (usually only English) - we try to invite whoever is passing to join us, because they are also, "neighbours".
There is always almost immediately a divide, as these people will highlight that they are not "one of us".
It is saddening to me, because I love all my neighbours regardless of culture or race.
Not only Poland but all of Europe is rude and ungrateful Today was D-Day that thousands of Americans gave the ultimate sacrifice to help liberate you podunks and not one mention of it on here today.
Rude is not even the word. I wonder how many of you would sacrifice such for America........no, no I don't wonder. I know the answer to that.
That dies when the last American that served in that campaign dies. Getting drafted into the military would be the best thing that could happen to you and a lot of other Mama boys. How many "participation trophies" do you have Lyzko ?
Americans gave the ultimate sacrifice to help liberate you podunks
Actually Johnny America only joined the war after Hitler declared war on the USA, a few days after Pearl Harbour. America fought because they were under threat as much as Europe. Having said that, all respect, honour and gratitude to those service men and women who gave their lives. Oh and a special mention should be made of those Americans who prior to that, individually volunteered for the Allied forces, often by changing their citizenship.
Actually Johnny America only joined the war after Hitler declared war on the USA,
America joined the war by sending supply ships to the Brits way before Hitler declared war on the U.S. Love.
Hitler's declaration of war came as a great relief to British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, who feared the possibility of two parallel disconnected wars, the UK and Soviet Union versus Germany in Europe, and the United States versus Japan in the Pacific.
With Nazi Germany's declaration against the United States in effect, American assistance for Britain in both theaters of war as a full ally was assured.
Seems a nod of gratitude to the United States on D-Day would be in order but I guess Europe doesn't see it that way.
When war breaks out between the United States and China I wonder how long before the America's allies join us.
America joined the war by sending supply ships to the Brits way before Hitler declared war on the U.S. Love.
Oh I know that but they weren't officially at war. and didn't send troops until early 1942.
I think you're referring only to this forum and the fact that nobody mentioned D-Day at all despite the anniversary. But that's a separate matter. To suggest that Europe ignores or diminshes the sacrifice of American lives when commemorating the war is completely untrue. Anyway we're well and truly off-topic now so let's leave it there, not least out of respect to the dead. They shouldn't be used for point scoring in frivolous arguments on chat forums.
Just realised the vote is on the 23rd :P heh. Good thing I checked:)
"that dies when the last who served in that campaign dies"..?
Hahaha! johnny you're full of it. Really... With people like you around stirring up trouble and spouting ignorant ******** like this - it will never die and people will always be reminded of these things.
Don't feed the trolls, Atch :p Just ignore it - it is not even on topic for this thread. Typical spammy troll speak, changing subjects to try and "win" something.
Godwin's law - this thread will die, maybe not now I mention it.
As far as i am aware, Polish people played a great part in winning the Battle of Britain, and bolstered the ranks of the RAF when it was sorely needed.
Therefore, you could say that they helped liberate themselves and assisted their allies in fighting their enemies. A LIFETIME AGO.
*sighs*.
Nice to see that my heartfelt speech has been lost in Yank's drivel again... I wouldn't **** on American politics and opinion if it was on fire.
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