Poles turn their backs on organised religion.

According to the article below, the Church's engagement in party politics is part of the reason. That and the stifling effect on small-town and village life.

There's no sign of the trend increasing; in fact it's growing fast. The figures are for the country as a whole; cities are becoming even more secular.


reuters.com/article/us-poland-church-insight-idUSKBN2A30SN

Not only that, but people are getting incredibly angry over the amount spent on subsidising religion classes. 1.5bn PLN yearly is spent on those classes, and for example, nearly 30m PLN was spent in Poznań on classes. They're a significant drain on municipal budgets, and are effectively a hidden subsidy to the church - priests and nuns are often expected to hand over a significant chunk of their earnings to the Curia.

Poor NIM's...If you think religion is expensive, start calculating what it costs to have a society without it, starting with fatherless kids, aberrations like homosexuality, infidelity, crime, drug addiction, kids having kids...The list is endless. But I know that to NIM's it's like a candy store to a kid...

Hmm, and what country doesn't have that?

Dumb question gets dumb answer: they all have it.

Now what?

Are societies with it any better?

Yes. The same way as law enforcement makes a country better. When it does not exist, you get Portland.
Religion is the last stop before you cross over from immoral to criminal. That's why we have both.
The line that separates stupid from immoral belongs to the parents to explain and unforce. That is why fatherless families are crime factories.

Secular societies don't necessarily have higher crime rates. Some very religious societies have high ones.


In Poland, religion is declining fast.

Because they have well-functioning law enforcement. I already mentioned that.


Because the church is no longer the only opposition to the tyranny of "communist" thugs. It's a bodyguard no longer needed.

And little religiosity. As I told you before.


It favours its own kind, hence its rapid and continuing decline.

Own kind meaning what? People who are told not to cheat, steal, harm, kill, abort, f*ck ass, and be kind? Those people?

Nothing. Just wanted you to confirm religion didn't prevent any place from having all these

I know. Not even one.
Have you heard the word reduce?


How about core values? Or morality?
How about that what we consider immoral was derived from and codified in the Ten Commandments and, to add some real fear, in the penal codes?

Funny how it works. Because of my upbringing, I would not rape, murder, or steal - even if those were not in the American penal code.

Amazing. It must be in my DNA or bone marrow and absolutely nothing to do with my religion. Sure.

It's clear enough from the post.


Quite. Nor did it preclude morality and decent values.

And funny how I wouldn't rape, murder or steal even if it wasn't in the ten commandments.

Because you were raised by the people who read them.

Classical colonial relationship.

There is nothing colonial here. Don't like it - quit.

Did anyone bother to read the OP's article from Reuters (a company founded by the son of a rabbi by the way)?

Here is the opening salvo: "Katarzyna Lipka is no longer Catholic, and she says that is a political statement."

You can bet your own life that this woman's sudden disestablishmentarian activism absolutely does not extend to all religions.








And if it weren't for the Church's open engagement in politics at the time then Poland would still be crushed under the yoke of communism.

What the British OP and the British Reuters propagandists are actually seething about is that the 90% approval was a vote for Polish pride and nationalism.



While the downward slide to the 41% figure of today represents Polish rejection of EU-endorsed globalist self-debasement.

Basically a legal code from the early Iron Age, among a group of nomads.

Much the same as any other ancient legal code.

One thing that will be interesting is if post-pandemic, the levels of religious observance are slightly lower than before or significantly lower than before. Evidence from that period between lockdowns is that quite a few people fell out of the habit of religious observance and did not return to it when churches opened again.

People go to churches out of inertia and to score points they think they will need when they meet the bouncers at the Big Gate.

Or did. The numbers are plummeting among under 60s.

Prosperity always does it.

All religions are based on fear. Prosperity removes it. And when you are young, you think you are made of stainless steel and that you are immortal.

You are right about prosperity turning peopke away from religion. Especially the prosperity of the local priest who seems to not care about his own teachings being hugely fat, grumpy and driving around in a brand new car paid for by parishioners.

Also the church seems to be abandoning it's own views and getting increasingly woke. The current pope is a terrible figurehead.

The danger of the fall in Christianity is Islam will fill the vacuum eventually (20-30 years down the line) which would be a tragedy for Polish culture.

WTF? You sound like some ignorant peasants. what teaching? huh? You confuse monks with priests. plus a car is needed for them doing properly their job. What the f A big deal about it?

I just look at people like you being shafted by governments, big corporations and all kind of scammer or commies and mostly they just roll over and take it up their backside and like it, at the same time their yapp at religion or the church.

Lol, I never said there was anything wrong with the priest having a car but he doesn't need a brand new top of the range audi paid for by his elderly mostly poor parishioners when the money could better be used to help the community he serves.

So to answer your points, the church teaches good values about humility, kindess unto others, not being greedy or gluttonous. This priest is greedy, selfish and a bad Christian.

You must be blind to see how bad the current pope is as Christian leader.

Frankly, you sound more like an ignorant peasant than I with your apparent inability to conduct a civil discussion.

Also I don't know where you get the idea that I'm being shafted by anyone, commie or otherwise. I'm very comfortably well off thanks.

Actually, he's doing a great job. He's cleaning up corruption and he's returning the Church to the values promoted by Jesus.

There's a reason why young Catholics love him.

Like children, people crave well-defined hard limits hoping that others will observe them, too. The gooey, soft, everything goes Catholic Church will lose the fight. In some sense, the US army replicates the Church in its gooeyness and would lose with the Chinese Islam-like enemy. I mentioned this only to make the point that the moral rot is pervasive and goes beyond organized religion.


They will love him even more the day he offers a six-pack and a line before mass.

Don't you understand what you are saying? Is English your mother tongue, Maybe your ability to think is in question.?
If there is nothing wrong with a priest owning a car, why mention it? Why comment about a brand of a car about money better spend and so on?

Wouldn't it be due to a fact you think THERE is something WRONG with that? huh?


Maybe, I don't know him. I wouldn't judge him by his car to be sure. A fact he has a nice car is not a sign that he is greedy.


With what? I admit I have little patience for nonsense and silly bias. I have a temper you see. You on the other hand sound like a shallow weasel. A person that is a difficulty to have a civil discussion with.