3 reasons why you hate Poland.

Universal problem. Anything specific polish to "hate"??? ;)

There are some things that bother me , but I would never say that I hate Poland for them .
A word " hate" has too strong resonance .
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It's true. Some things drive me nuts in Poland, but when I go home to the States I find other things that drive me nuts there. For the same reason, I have chosen to return to the States because I'd rather curse about American things then Polish things.

I'm under the impression you don't realize how much that happens here in Poland as well. There are many, many people here with a real "screw you" attitude and do not hesitate to cheat anyone and everyone.

It's silly to hate a country though, a country is far too complex an idea and reality to try and pigeon hole. There are some days where Polish habits drive me up the wall.

Geez, this thread is still on the go? I have an affinity for quite a few here and I love my Polish family to bits. They are wonderful folks and I'd go out of my way for them. 3 reasons? (to dislike, not hate) Hmm

1) Door slamming - this is simply rude. I know that not everyone does it but I hear it a lot here. I've had to put up signs to alert people to what they are doing. There is simply no need for it!!

2) A tendency towards the negative - this makes me love positive Poles all the more. Those that gripe and groan too much are not the kind I like to be around. There's no need for it, you are NOT kings and queens, as much as you might like to think you are in your deluded minds. Be fair to others, respect their space and try and be positive if you can (though it's your country, your prerogative).

3) Screeching your brakes - I live near a crossing and I hear it many many times on a daily basis. Come on, pull up gradually and stop being so irritated and in such a hurry. You only wear out your own tyres/tires in so doing.

These are 3 dislikes but I'm in a 'like Poland' mindset at the moment, largely due to the sun and laid back nature of many around.

I can list only 1 thing...

POLITICS

Hate, is a word, I don't want to use. No one should ever hate anything, more so, I great place like Poland.

Mike

You are off-topic again, mike

Please answer the thread topic or not at all, thanks.

Ok I have one! Well, two actually but the first one is really a European thing.
It's cramped.
Maybe it's just my experience but I find that there's a bit of a pack rat syndrome here, anyone else experience that?

Not really, no. What do you mean, For4?

It's tough to pin down without going into a rant, but I find myself being forced to keep a lot of seemingly useless things here because my better half insists we'll need the broken bit to the thingamabob which her brother also owns...maybe it stems from having to hang on to every bit of paper regarding taxes and registry and crap like that...

Aha, not disposing of waste? Keeping documents from 2007, for example? Yeah, I know what you mean. Many things have second-hand value here, that's true.

I don't hate Poland but there are things I don't like.

1) Child abuse is rewarded by the courts in a pathetic attempt at keeping families together when there is no hope. Religious and Communist afflictions should not cloud a judges vision of what is wrong or right.

2) A complete ignorance of international law which directly affects Polish Law due to a lack of education of Judges and Lawyers. Why do Polish women think they can't get divorced in England? Even more alarming is why Polish lawyers think this is not possible. Would a 30 year old family court judge be allowed to preside over a case of international significance (In Law) with no prior knowledge of International Law and no experience in England? No. We would use our High Court with people well versed and highly experienced in Law. It really does make Poland's legal system look pretty amateur.

3) A complete lack of testicles when it comes to standing up and changing things for the better. An example is when Poland signed the Hague treaty for abducted children, it openned up it's child legislation for change. What happenned? Nothing!!!! It is definately a keep your head down or you will get shot society! Wake up it's 2011, The Russians are gone.

I could go on but these are top of my list.

Actually, the ignorant person is you. The way that the Polish (in fact, the way that most civil law systems work) is that the family court is merely the first court. If the decision goes against you, you can go to a higher court. And so on. Quite normal in Europe.

Incidentally, it's pretty unlikely that a divorce case would go to the High Court in the first instance.


Really? But you don't speak Polish, so how do you know?

Gotta love armchair council estate Poland experts...

Ant, you are mixing things. Many cultures want to keep their families together but have not experienced communism. Look at Britain, for example. Under the Conservative administration, the family was afforded due prominence (I'm not a Tory btw). The judge weighs up the totality of factors and, under International Law, 'the welfare of the child is paramount'. Rightly or wrongly, Poland is a very religious country (inflated a bit) so therefore the impact of religion on any decision is elevated. Child abuse would never be rewarded here.

International Law is a highly specialised area, ant. I think you are just making things up that they don't have experts in numerous relevant areas. What experience do you have in this area, may I ask?

Ant, I've had seminars with the leading professor in Europe on the Hague Convention of Child Abduction (as part of my LLM programme). In fact, I have his seminal work in this area (finished with the help of Prof McEleavy). I can safely tell you that there are key obligations incumbent on Poland and that it isn't a pick&mix style piece of legislation, littered with opt-outs and the like. I wrote a paper on it and scored very well (albeit 11 years ago, LOL) so I'd be happy to discuss how you perceive Poland to have acted with reckless abandon and thus hate its insipid approach.

Also, have you learned anything about entrenched mindsets? When sth becomes ingrained, it can take a long time to shake off. Westerners would do well to recognise this and to be more understanding of what Poland went through during those 43 years.

If it was true how would the system work for years ?


Why not , they are not lawyers !


It all depends where a couple lives and what their nationality is . If one person has been living abroad for more than 3 months ,prior to filing for a divorce and the other person lives abroad , then the case will be proceeded abroad . But this law is quite new , so maybe some older lawyers who don`t deal with family law on the daily basis might not know that . Previous law stated that, if at least one person had a polish citizenship the case had to be pending in the Polish court and it was a rule .


Haha , you are so funny and ignorant . Polish judges can only proceed in compliance with the Polish Law . In the Polish courts English law is wortless and vice versa .


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The divorce case can`t be examined by The Highest Court . You can only appelate to District Court and its decision is final .

why would/should a Polish Judge "have experience in England" any more than vice versa? Strange comment.
Incidentally none of us would have any idea what goes on in a Family Court in England, as these are totally secret.

I meant Appelate Court .

What's to hate?

I have got no idea , why would anybody have such strong feelings against a country .

exactly why your systm is fekked,arrogent,paternalistic attitudes like yours.

Do you know what you are taliking about at all? I tried to defend ignorant women , but you simply didn`t want to apprehend my intentions . My attitude is quite normal .

me neither. i like poland and poles.

sascha

Thats very nice of you , I like my country too, but I notice that some things could be changed . This you could say about any other country anyway .

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I tried to defend ignorant women [/quote]
I somehow doubt that it worked out well for them. Perhaps they should have got a proper defence lawyer.

Of course they should have got the best legal help possible . What a pitty that I didnt represent them .

Harry the Bitter ?

This thought has crossed my mind too . Defence lawyer haha .

That would be the reaction of most people when it comes to the idea of moania defending them.

Although you might want to not pretend you're a lawyer while using your real name, that may well be criminal. Oh, and please don't give us your expert opinion as to whether it is or not.

Stop this blabbering Harry , this is so boring . I am asking you as a defence lawyer , haha .