Racism in Poland - the future

Without hate, there would be no love; just as without evil, there would be no good.
Why are you so against love?

Racism exists everywhere,the question is, do we have to be.I think not

If that actually made sense, it would be amusing. However it doesn't - racism is always wrong.

You said you posted it because it caught your eye. This is a meaningless explanation therefore others will be left to conclude you posted the questionable article for incitement.

Stating that you made a personal lifestyle choice to be married is not relevant; it's only an attempt to change the subject. I can't imagine you could say you didn't love your wife or her home country if she is there standing over your shoulder.

I'm not out of line. You just stand corrected.


I agree but unfortunately every society is still afflicted by it. I think it is ultimately an instinctive survival mechanism which has lasted into modern civilization. Thankfully many countries have laws and other political pressures in place to try to prevent and respond when racist incidents do occur. Education is key as well to eliminate misunderstandings which are often the trigger. That's why when it comes to this topic the linking of articles which are clearly exaggerations, posts which demonize only one side, and other forms of fear mongering don't help to achieve the interracial harmony which everyone should agree is needed around the world.

So rather than anyone coming out of the blue and making a blanket claim that Polish society is racist it would be far more instructive and beneficial if they gave actual examples of what they are talking about and then demonstrate how their own community dealt with resolving the same problem. Otherwise it will only result in having to point out that the accuser has no room to talk.

I stand irritated, not corrected. You have zero freight, in making a single conclusion concerning me or my motivations for making a post. You don't GET to tell me why I do things, or what I REALLY mean.

The problem with a thread like this is that is that it actually breeds racial rhetoric,Some people are racist,but this is such a touchy

issue that that it can blur the lines behind who is and who isn't.Sometimes when you mention someones race they have a knee jerk

reaction and will often not hear what the other is saying.Then both sides will get crude and start saying crude things.

You are making a a big assumption and accusing him of an ulterior motive. There is no evidence of that, he didn't write the article, merely posted it.

Its an important point, you can post link to an article to prevoke a discussion or inform, you don't have to agree with its comments or conclusions.

OK, so joking aside, what today gets lumped into the general term of "racism" is hardly hatered anymore. More times then not, it is more along the lines of contempt, or mere wariness.

One cannot expect to anticipate the behaviour of people rised in a different culture. Some ethnicities are more prone to violent reactions then other. Businessmen from certain ethinicities are more probable to to try to deceit you. Colsing ones eyese on these realities "because it would be racist" I consider plain stupid, no offence intended.

I do beliveve that healthy dose of xenophobia (without going over the top) should be encouraged, despite the clamour made by self appointed PC-Police. It keeps societies safe and self sustained. If it was working good for our fathers, and our fathers' fathers, so it should be good for us.

kondzior, You could have just written, "I like racism." Woulda saved space.

I gave you every opportunity to explain yourself to me. I even gave you specific questions to answer about the article which you elected to bring to everyone's attention.

Instead, you just evaded it all. I find this odd considering the nature of the topic. Why wouldn't you want to clarify your position?

Anyway, I'll refer you to peterweg's post and remind you that you don't have to agree with my comments or conclusions about you. But I will still make them.

safe for whom exactly?
Plenty of things worked well for our fathers and our fathers' fathers including slave and child labour, state sanctioned wife beating, early graves from overwork, starving to death in the gutter, dying in the trenches of WW1 or WW2... or Siberia....

Were these things therefore 'good'?

It's a danger to confuse culture with race and even more dangerous to make too many assumptions about someone based on the culture they were raised in. Racism is do much about making false assumptions.

Don't bastardise what I said, I said a poster can reproduce something without agreeing with it.

True, you can post absolutely anything you like. So heres a picture of Bambi

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Looking nothing like he would after my brother in law had skinned and gutted him.

jasondmzk@ It is more along the lines: "I dislike Political Correctness and will fight it with any means necessary"

rozumiemnic@ What a fiting nick you have chosen...

jon357@ Why are you so sure, that these assumptions are false?

so much easier to dismiss me like that than enter into any meaningful debate, isnt it?
I chose my nick to illustrate that I have arrived at a point in my life when I am no longer arrogant enough to pretend I understand everything.....

you say you dislike 'political correctness'...would you care to define what that means for you exactly?
Or have you read the Daily Mail once too often, and you like the phrase ...'It's political correctness gone mad!!!!'

All assumptions about people are necessarily false without unambiguous evidence about the person themself. Not any guff about how they look or sound.

Yeah but who's to determine what's positive or negative? Everyone has to decide it for himself. Following media and celebs doesn't lead anywhere. They're all (almost all) rotten and biased, why would anyone want to follow their opinions?

For example, I'm not gonna accept same sex child adoption (just an example) just because it's hip nowadays. That's why the world is so messed up because it's full of followers.

Who's to determine? It's self evident; that all humans are created equal.

You come across as very cynical.

@jon357 Oh, come on, it is most eviden that humans are NOT equal. Also, you sound as if being cynical would be something bad. I happen to be proud of being a cynic.

@rozumiennic I'd have to write an essey,and I don't feel like that right now. Let just say that PC reaminds me of Communism. Both are trying to shape the society along some sily, artificial ideas.

fair enough..........it is late after all.....

I have come to believe we are dealing with a limited individual, here. Further debate would be as pointless and frustrating as trying to describe a rainbow to someone who is color blind. Count me out.

Of course we are all equal but ti doesn't mean that we all have to share the same opinions about everything.

What are the roots of polish relation to Jews?
You have to know Polish :( then it might be an idea to provide a translation of the main facts. the bin awaits otherwise
wbc.poznan.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=101589&from=PIONIER%20DLF

Andrzej Niemojewski "Dusza żydowska w zwierciadle Talmudu" Warszawa, 1920

What are the roots? Basic prejudice. Any attempt to justify it falls flat on its face. We've heard it all before, but maybe you've got one that nobody for the past 2 centuries has pretended to believe.

I think that a real problem are yobs or half-yobs. Especially given economic and social climate in Poland, left to their own devices, in many towns, young blocks can be picking on anybody different - not necessarily colored.

Overall I think that Poland is still pretty save place to be....
I think that is due to the fragmentation of society.
I wouldn't worry about small towns or villages.

If polish people are not willing to accept people from other countries and those with different races why bother flood other countries?
Why flood countries like the UK where many citizens are actually black and Asian?

I think the blacks and Asians in the UK should treat the Polish just as bad as they are treated in Poland.

I thought the British - be they white, black or asian - were all too busy rioting and looting in the UK to start hunting down and attacking Poles.

You should write to the Nigerian-born Polish parliamentarian John Godson. Ask him if he agrees with your call for Poles to be mistreated when they are abroad. Or ask any one of the 40,000 Vietnamese who now call Poland home.

By the way, do you believe non-white Poles like the ones I just mentioned should also be mistreated if they visit the UK?

I live in England and totally agree, racism is rife here. I have a multi racial family who seem also racist at times, it is mainly through ignorance and will exist always. Somebody has to be blamed for whatever and is of course the minority who will have the finger pointed at them, at the moment sadly it is eastern europeans for taking the jobs ( which nobody wanted to do ) for claiming benefits without working ( not true though seems to be overlooked ) you name a problem and some poor souls get the blame, quite pathetic really and i am travelling to Poland soon, i wanted to watch the football though now travel after and i shall be totally honest, i am embarrassed by my country folk abroad, the behaviour in general and rudeness, only the brits can travel to another nation, expect all to speak and understand our language and if not then insultingly call them foreigners in their own country! If i marry it shall certainly not do so to an English woman as the attitude is awful and are more of a man than a man these days lol. I guess i am racist toward my own country now but hey it is my personal views only and maybe one day will sit on a desert island finding peace and harmony though more likely will be 6 feet under lol So from what i see Poland is certainly not a racist country there are many more incidents on a housing estate in the uk, the politicians can spout all they like, they do not live a real life so are not able to give reliable views Any brits wish condemn me on here it is fine, i am proud of being a human, i am not at war so my nationality is not in question, guess my belief in human nature maybe?

Excuse me? I am English and would that be the blacks and Asian communities that the English are racist in general towards? I am from Sheffield, i have lived in many parts of England and racism here is getting much worse so how we can give advice towards another nation on racist attitudes is laughable, you can say what you wish of me, i actually live here, have a multi racial family who themselves are just as racist at times :( I read the news papers and watch the news though is not like that at street level:(

Really stupid thread. If there will be a lot of different ppl in Poland there will be racism for sure. If not there won't be any. Simple as that.

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see its not racism with polish they just hate everyone inclueing their white neighbours migrnats

so you guys cant just blame it on race for them hating indians, africans, muslims and even their neighbours:
wroclaw.wyborcza.pl/wroclaw/7,35771,26352042,dlaczego-ukrainiec-nie-moze-w-polsce-spokojnie-zapalic.html