Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up

or he would say they were given special treatment...or something....
not counting Zimmy, I do think that certain contributors to this thread woulld be happiest in a gay bar.

What is Kondzior on about? He states women can't hold their own in physical tasks quoting music as an example. What a load of baloney. I've just been listening to Eva Cassidy, Adele, Aretha Franklin, Sandy Denny to name but a few. Tell me they're inferior

He gets my vote for the most inane drivel ever posted on PF and believe me that's going some.

Any afterthoughts perhaps?

sobieski
A single case or notable exception can always be found to prove anything. The question was clear: what percentage of combat pilots are women? If it's 50-50 then all is well.

Women served mainly as liaison and nurses in the Uprising. Do you know what % of active AK combatants were females?

Even if it would be only one, it still negates all your primitive ideas about women.

I think that we've found something in which women simply cannot compete with men: posting complete and utter bollocks on PF. Admittedly there have been a couple of decent efforts over the years (the ever delightful and ever well pickled Bzi and that strange Catholic with no Jewish DNA who was desperate to be Jewish) but even they simply cannot come close.


We could just have a whip round, I'm sure we could raise the necessary to make sure that issues of taste could be set aside by somebody.

Full 50-50 parity, total equality with no preferential treatment in all fields is primitive in your books?

You just said that there is no objective criteria for taste. In fact, you basically posited that art as no value in and of itself, or rather, that there is no such thing as art in the first place, every impression being not only subjective, but entirely so, a given work of art having no inherent expressive quality whatsoever. Thus, why bother exchange opinions if nothing whatsoever can be learned, seeing that there is nothing to be learned in the first place?

God damn you don't even seem to understand your own arguments. You say the correct words but the meaning is completely lost to you. Same for your inability to grasp why the essence has to come first, if the work of art has to have any meaning. You are employing the worse sort of sophistry basically.


This is what liberals actually believe. And countless female AK soldiers? How many damned total soldiers and gunners did the AK have?

Women in the military is sheer insanity, and a sure sign that civilization is on the verge of crumbling.

Better to let women decide. They aren't all shrinking violets, you know.

Even straight women can make good soldiers - absolutely as good as any male.

And as a gay man, you of all people should realise that some of our lesbian sisters can be very tough indeed.

I hope things changed a lot in Poland from what I remember, but back then, most numerous were the heroes that accepted the daily grind of their lives with grace, somehow managed to make 3 meals a day and keep their families together, without the need to knock themselves out with vodka at the end of the day.

There is no doubt in my mind that women are stronger than men.

Where's the mudslinging - a simple neutral statement, confirmed on here by yourself in an earlier but still extant thread.


Absolutely spot on.

@ Jon: 'Even straight women can make good soldiers'. So women who want to go into the army are probably gay?

A strange question - plenty of women want to join the forces and plenty do join regardless of their sexuality. Nevertheless there is a long and honourable tradition of lesbians in the uniformed services.. At least the army recognise their service and don't discharge or jail them now.

I agree. Men may be physically stronger, but women are mentally stronger on average. The woman plays a much larger role in keeping families together and is more patient with children and husbands who may drink too much and not help with the household chores. They are also more resistant to physical pain, possibly because of childbirth. Nurses tell me that some big macho-looking bruisers actually faint at the sight of a needle when having bloodwork done. That never happens wtih female patients.

And over the ages Polish woman many a time have had to run the household and family farm when men were off to war, launching insurrections or exiled to Siberia. When forced to by circumstances, they were able to do all the man's necessary back-breaking farmwork. That has made them more flexible and adaptable.

they have to be, to keep things together - and that is why more men end up as tramps or alcoholics

Except for the fact that in the west women initiate 70 percent of all divorces. So much for keeping families together.


I just love how you still believe in the 'old wives tales' which uplift women while denying those that uplift men. It's all part of 'pick and choose feminism'[.

scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=women-feel-pain-more-intensely
Perhaps I should change my nom de plume to 'mythbuster'.


.....except when they often break down and cry for no accountable reasons. Perhaps I should also note when they nag, whine and sulk as well. Which of the two genders, statistically speaking, experiences more emotion - and would claim to? I would think that the more mentally stable person would be able to have less extreme emotions.

I have to laugh when I see how some posters keep talking about "equality" and then posit how women are better than men. Evidently, they believe in the Orwellian equality as noted in "Animal Farm".

Women tend to express their emotions more openly, whilst many men think spotaneous expression of emotion is unmanly and tend to suppress their feelings rather than talk about them. But when all is said and done, women tend to be the more responsible within the family context than their spouses.


When speaking of female behaviour one must take into account that the feminist movement have made major inroads into the traditonal female image, trying to make women more mannish, assertive and aggressive. To some extent they have succeeded. As a result, women have become less patient, more selfish and less determined to keep the family together than once was the case. However, male irresponsiblity -- drink, gambling, flings, laziness, failure to provide -- is often the cause of family break-up.

Lots of women look to be offended, even when they are not. Just yesterday after I ordered my breakfast the middle aged waitress said, "coming right up sweetie". Should I have told her (using feminist logic) not to call me that? It's not unusual to be called "honey" or even "dear" by a waitress but maybe I should tell them to watch their language. I could explain to them that so many women now feel offended by being called personally 'endearing' names and that goes for me too. Is this yet another double standard that privileges women?


Okay, I'll warn my servers to watch themselves. I'll explain how 'patronising' and 'belittling' it is to be called "honey" or "sweetie' or "dear" especially by those who serve me for the first time.


I've given you many precise examples of double standards in some of my posts but you never comment in specific manner to any to them, nor does f2. As I've previously noted, your silence is loud.

Heh, I am not even allowed to state that my opinons are being censored. Typical feminism at work.

You may state whatever you wish. Just do it in the correct forum. However, if you wish to complain about your missing, off topic, posts you will get little sympathy.

lol Z at least you are funny.....unlike some...:):)

I stated it before (x2) and I'll do it again, the following thought process is no better than the chauvinistic, pseudo science kondzior posted about the superiority of men:


When either a man or a woman starts arguing one gender is inherently better than the other it's a red flag that individual is not firing on all cylinders on the topic.

A moderator (Lenka is the most likely candidate) keeps deleting my posts when I quote fstop on this!
She also keeps deleting any of my posts critical of feminist group think, yet this kind of censoring is exactly why so many feminists suck. They are just like politicians in that they literally CANNOT handle criticism. Instead of addressing it, they try to play it off or ignore it. Failing that, they censor it.

@ f stop, I like your sentence too :-). And I think you are right. While men may have more muscular strength (on average), women are stronger in other ways. You've suggested greater emotional strength; I'd add greater ability to withstand pain, lower susceptibility to genetic diseases, less inclined toward self-destructive activities, and longer-living.

@ kondzior, I don't think it's accurate to imply that all feminists are leftists. I support many aspects of feminist thinking, despite being broadly right of centre. I'm a libertarian who believes that the job of the state is to create an environment in which everyone can maximise her or his potential, and it seems to me self-evident that this requires the elimination of barriers where expel from specific groups face unequal treatment or opportunities.

Femimists discrimnate agaisnt men

I sensibly look at the background of our partners in Europe , it is also often refers to my wife , who does not work , there is no time or party , or government - Prime Minister of Poland Donald Tusk explained . He stressed that the representation expenses for his wife were charged to the party contributions and donations , not from the budget allocations for the PO .

Premier commented thus reports the newspaper " Fakt" , who wrote that the funds collected by the PO sellers were " not only suits for Prime Minister Donald Tusk , ( ... ), but also elegant creations for his wife Margaret ."

According to women's activist Anna Holocher, feminists are guilty of discriminating males. That's why she calls herself an anti-feminist.

I think Polonius is taking his role as the forum agitator way too seriously.

How could you possibly attempt to quantify "emotional strength" or being more or less inclined "toward self-destructive" activities?
The ability to withstand pain? What types of pain and what combinations of it?

And withstand? You either give up or keep going so how would you quantify one's ability to "withstand" pain in circumstances outside a laboratory?

How does one measure another person's sensitivity to pain and what baseline does it compare it with?

Honest questions and yes I'll poke holes in any "research" or "studies" you throw at me if there are holes to be poked in it but that is all besides the point.

There's no such thing as a moderate feminist. That is the key to understand what has happened to western culture since this poisonous ideology took hold in our society.

Eitherway, if you want to read an actual good book on the subject, and one written by a woman, no less, try The Manipulated Man, by Esther Vilar.

I've been doing some background reading into feminism in Poland. It seems that attitudes to the concept may be affected for some by the country's history, ie some people don't like feminism because they associate it with communism, the pre-1989 era and the notion of forcing women to work while they have young children, or to do jobs they didn't want to equalise the numbers.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this but I wonder whether this explains some of the antipathy? Equally, I'm conscious that feminism in the Anglo-American world has been associated with individualism, which may explain why some of us are in favour of it, without ascribing to left-wing ideals.

Could there be some truth in my theory? Or is it baloney? I'd be intrigued to know who here is from where. I'll go first: as my username suggests, I'm British.

Now that's a mouthful. Who are these super beings blessed, nay gifted with such admirable traits? The only attribute you are correct on is the "self-destructive" one. Men take many more risks in many more venues than women do. Consequently, they lose big but they also win big. That seems to be true in dangerous life pursuits and in business.

As to women living longer that was never true until the last 100 years or so. Men's jobs frequently leave them disabled and even dead. For example, jobs such as painting houses and auto body work often contribute to shorter life spans as inhaling chemicals is not good for carbon life forms. Again, logic escapes those who are agenda prone.

You must have not looked at the link I posted as to who feels pain more. I'll repost it below.


LOL, a remarkable statement. It shows you know next-to-nothing about feminism. Inherently, feminism is leftist and once again I remind you of its Marxist origins. Nothing penetrates the naive mind though.


LOL, you are really making me chuckle today. Why don't you google the CATO institute to find out what real libertarianism is about.


She is yet another good woman who uses logic not emotion. That's why I've quoted and/or linked so many such women.


Of course it's individual like so many other things are but I'll repost this link;
scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=women-feel-pain-more-intensely
From the link: "For almost every diagnosis, women reported higher average pain scores than men. Women's scores were, on average, 20 percent higher than men's scores, according to the study."

Even right wing agrees that women are entitled to political, legal, social, and economic equality to men.
Often, left tends to think that it's the class exploitation that causes women oppression.
Only naive minds like Zimmy's, who think that feminism is about integrating golf clubs, cannot be penetrated (to use the words he likes).

So, I don't ascribe feminism to any political leanings.
I think it's more about what you practice, than what you preach.

If a man helps with housework and cooking, he is a feminist.
If he cannot bring himself to do it because that's "women's work", then he is a prisoner in a cage.

Everyone should do what they're best at. If a woman cnanot boil water without burning it then maybe hubby should do the cooking. If the wife is mechanically inclined, she should mend the sewing machine and family car when needed. Usually men and women are predisposed to different things -- not too many men watch soap operas and knit sweaters at the same time while the Mrs is up on the roof replacing wind-damaged tiles -- but if that sutis a given married couple, so be it.

But regardless of who does what household chore or bears the brunt of providng for the family, not too many males would relish beign called feminists. In fact, quite a few woimen do not want to be associated with that term. The two-fisted, mannish but man-hating feminists have covered the justified quest for equal rights with a negative image and odium not everyone likes to equate with.