Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up

I'm going boating today and tomorrow; just wanted to post one out of many dozens of odd ball ways women are protected in society even though they are "equal". lol I really do have dozens of such examples which add up to general societal preferences for women which they accept as 'natural'.

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9393451/Easy-parking-spots-for-women-introduced-by-German-mayor.html

@ Zimmy, you're missing the point about that Telegraph news story. It's not that the German mayor is biased in favour of women, it's that there's still sexism in society if a man can seriously think it's acceptable to stigmatise women as useless with machinery by providing special, easy-entry parking bays for them.

OK, some women find parking hard - but so do some men. And some other women are brilliant at driving. For instance, coincidentally also in Germany, I was once driven round the Nurburgring by the circuit's resident racing driver - a rather attractive blonde woman called, from memory, Sabine. We went so fast I struggled to keep my lunch down.

Patronising initiatives such as the women's easy parking bays send out a message, especially to young girls: you're useless at this kind of thing, don't even try.

So we can take your anecdote and extrapolate that to mean all German women drive like Steve F'n McQueen....or we can take the word of the German mayor who noticed there sure were a lot of accidents in Triburg parking bays that were caused by women. Seeing as we've already figured out that men have a higher spatial capacity than women, this isn't a stretch.


Young girls shouldn't be operating a motor vehicle in the circumstances you are imagining therefore it is premature to worry about the message being sent to young girls as a consequence of gender specific parking bays. But this is what the "politically correct" do, they cry about being offended and think that's enough.

I know, you are spot on Englishman, it is so insulting.
I only passed my test a few years ago and to be honest bay parking is a piece of p.1ss, it is parallel parking that takes more practice, but it is not brain surgery is it?

No he isn't- It's not a message that young girls are in a position to receive and no amount of pretending to be offended will change that.

It's not insulting to you because you're not a woman in that city so park your indignation, make it safe and turn off the ignition.

Did you ever consider that perhaps the women who wouldn't or couldn't park properly actually are to blame for this?

If society sends out messages to girls and women that they are useless at something (for instance, driving cars), this creates a risk that they either don't do it, or they set their expectations low so don't do it well. Much better to send out positive messages such as celebrating women who are great racing drivers or car engineers, to inspire a new generation to follow their examples.

hahahaha ok....:)
i must add my driving is **** hot btw.

Well society hasn't done that in this instance so what's your problem?


I don't agree with your conclusion to the scenario at all. Those are two possible outcomes for some people but you're really assuming many women are weak-willed underachievers with your attitude.


So your solution to the parking problem in Triburg would be to celebrate female race car drivers? How would that address the problem they were experiencing?


Well if you're Polish then I'll take one of those to describe your driving but not two;)

Actually, if the mayor of that German town is right about women and parking, bringing in the female racing driver to give women advanced driving skills and also boost their confidence would be a much better way to help them drive better than designing special, extra-large parking bays. It might also inspire girls to think they could do jobs involving cars and driving.

Generations of conditioning have led girls and women to believe they are less capable, inferior, marginalised and generally inferior to men; this has been reinforced by legal and other constraints preventing them from doing certain things. Do you really resent feminism's attempts to change this?

Oh yes, my good fellow! Zooming around a race track in a vehicle doing 300 km/hr is so much like parking in a confined urban setting that I'm surprised no one except you has seen that correlation. Splendid!


Generations of conditioning led (past tense) girls and women to believe certain things that I'm not going to pretend I know.
This used to be reinforced by laws that have simply changed.
In any situation there will be someone who is more capable and someone who is less capable. We've all been on both sides of that ratio and that's called life so suck it up and quit feeling sorry for people who don't give a damn about you and need to learn what they can and can't do like the rest of us. The problem is you seem to actually view women as inferior to you and therefore dependent on you to somehow right all the compounded wrongs of the past. You see yourself as a white knight and feminists just see you as a sucker.


Feminism has changed that.
They wanted equality in the work force? Well now they can do just about anything they want if they can make the standards.
What if they can't make the standards? That's fine, if you're a woman they won't lower the standards for you, they'll "change" them.

They wanted equality in courts. Things are so good now, they're more equal in the courts than you or I will be based on gender and nothing more. You hear them rioting about that very often?

They wanted equality in sports. Well now things are so equal that in some places that if not enough girls are interested in a sport then the boys aren't allowed to do the sport either. You think that's fair?

They wanted equal pay. They got it.
They wanted equality in schools. They got it.
The fatal diseases women can only get are given prominence whereas the fatal diseases men can only get are ignored by comparison.
So where is this inequality that women are suffering in Western countries?
How is it any worse than the inequality suffered by men there?

lol, it is so insulting that no feminists are protesting it, eh? Evidently, they don't believe in true "equality". Feminism is about me 'ism as constantly evidenced by what feminists do or don't do. If something favors women, no matter how sexist they go along with it, indeed, often push it.

By the way Englishman, I understand that the female race-car driver who sped you around crashed her car when she was parallel parking.:)

Well, let's see, how about this? We know there are women-only gyms and no male-only ones but even some 'equal' access gyms give preference to females. This female writer 'feels' that the man suing is wrong.

jezebel.com/jackass-suing-his-gym-for-their-442-women-only-hours-pe-476604412

I would complain about that were it in my locality but i am not going over to Germland to complain, no

This is spot on. To generalise in the way he was about a gender as a whole is inadequate. It also ignores those who fall outside the gender binary.

Actually I think the points made by the gym manager were fair, and having some women-only sessions in the gym is reasonable. Women have posted on this thread before about how they are objectified and made to feel inadequate about their bodies. I can see how this might deter many of them from going to gyms. If providing them with times when they can exercise without fearing that some man is either leering at them or secretly laughing, surely that's a good thing.

I let my wife read your rantings, and you are according to her a professional woman-hater. I can only concur.
Women have to lit your cigar, pour your whiskey and disappear in the kitchen, right?

That is an issue within the individual woman (herself). After all, feminists constantly remind us that women are "empowered". You've learned the feminist language well. Yes indeed, "objectified" no doubt by the "patriarchy". Poor dears don't know what to do without extra help......


I'm recommending the gym at my club to post signs that state: "No leering and no secret laughing allowed". Of course this would only apply to men.


You "let" her? Did she need permission?


Did your wife specifically counter any of the arguments and examples I noted or as usual was it just another general statement of disagreement?
There has been a dearth of specificity by those who lamely support the feminist anti male agenda


No, there is more; they also have to pay a cover charge when entering my lakeshore condo...............
Ask your wife to sit through this video (doubtful if she can) and ask her what specifically she disagrees with and why. It's common sense so you and she might have a problem with it.

youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA

She does not need my permission for anything. She has her own professional career, is independently-minded. She thinks that the PF is a kind of abnormal hobby and yes occasionally she takes a look at it.

You are completely obsessed with feminism.

....therefore she can comment on any objections she has in specific manner, right? After all she is as you say, "independently-minded".


It is one of several ideologies and/or beliefs which I combat because I'm aware of how harmful it is to society. Like most people you are probably unaware of the close early relationship of feminism with Marxism even though many feminist leaders have openly admitted to it.

I don't buy this. You have a problem with independent women, who pursue a career, are no house-slaves and intelligent.

It really is an independent business decision so if the manager finds it profitable to establish "women only" times then that's what they'll do. It's just an example of the squeaky wheel getting the grease imo.

Women, in groups and as individuals, understand that men just often don't give a f*ck and will yield to their constant complaining. That's what feminism amounts to these days -constant complaining and whining for more. What they've been able to do, for better and worse, is create financial repercussions to their whining. That's impressive in some ways but not when they go about actively making life worse for males just because their self-entitlement has no boundaries.

I mean can you imagine a self-respecting man going to management and complaining that he "fears" women in a private business? Gawd no!

That's the difference between men and women in Western society; men are more likely to just get on with it while women will make a mountain out of mole-hill until "something is done about it!" Everyone just needs to tell such people to keep it down and put them in their place, like we would anyone else.

That being said, if a manager sees the financial benefit of establishing women-only hours then I would agree that's the right thing to do financially. This also indicates more women utilizing the premises which means that's a healthier group of people. No one should be opposed to that unless it means it comes at a cost to others.

Of course the question is, does that policy discriminate against men? Is that legal? Would it be legal to create me-only hours? Is that legal?

I hold a view similar to korwin.. Apart from the intelligence- i think that is unfair.
I dont understand how one can say that housework is bad.. Slavery etc Oo.
I bet a local woman that collect bins would like to stay at hpme thsn to get up early morning to smell rubbish and rotten eggs all morning.

I am all for paid housewives, a standard pay.
Womens traditional work is being discriminated against traditional mens work.
I dont see how working ur arse off 10 hours daily in piluszks in careffour is supposed to be a successful independence.
It is more like slavery, where as a woman at home will do 4 hrs of housework max and cook dinner and thats all, then go on a stroll in park or whatever.

It does seem that you havent read my post.
Read up.
Maybe for its perfectly fine for a woman working ten hrs a day even when preagnant in a diaper.

Oh Goofy...that isn't normal at all and you know it.

Working 10 hours a day in a mine or collecting rubbish is a successful independence to you?


Not more than some men working in mines and other stuff.
Keeping women home, because it is 'how it should be', could be seen as slavery tho.

Edit for clarity:

You mimic false debate points straight out of fem-speak 101. Nothing you said is true. You also, typically, failed to give specific replies to real facts. No surprise there.


They know it too.


Owners should decide how to run their businesses and not have some BigSister government tell them how to do it. Problem is, while feminists have demanded special women's hours, etc they conversely have opposed men having the same 'equal' benefits. The mountains of feminist hypocrisy rise above Mt. Everest.


You haven't read much feminist orthodoxy have you?


Who's going to pay? I'll leave alone the fact that having food, a roof over ones head, tv's. etc, etc, is a payment in itself and shared by the main bread winner with the main household manager.


Don't forget watching Oprah, the multitude of soap operas and daytime movies, all dominated by female viewership during day time tv. lol

Now goofy (I like your name), would you rather work as a miner for 10 hrs a day or as a housekeeper with the tv on in the background and taking breaks whenever you feel like it? Same goes for many other jobs like being an oil rig worker during a sea storm, etc.

Actually all our friends (and my colleagues at work) do not reflect your woman-hating view of the world. In all cases both of them work, their wives/partners pursue their own career, they have their own social life and own friends...but they do the household jobs together, raise their kids together. In quite a few cases the wife earns definitely more as her partner, often has much longer working hours. But whoever is home first, starts to do the household jobs which go with every family.

But that's life. Both partners have equal rights to pursue a career as far as I am concerned.

Zimmy i like not only ur nick but also ur posts ;-).keep up the good fight"
Feminazism nie przejdzie.
Most certainly i would like to be at home.

Me, zimmy, polonius3, pakol, are the four rightous ones fighting the hordes of evil left.
:-)

I bet you do not like George Orwell :) If you have ever heard of him, that is.

Too bad you are incapable of retorting any of the facts I've stated. The 7 women I've referenced also logically destroy feminist dogma. These women must also have a "women-hating view as well, eh?

Instead you succumb to calling someone hateful because that's all you've got which only embarrasses you. You add nothing to the discussion.

Gloria Steinem said, "When I was in college, it was the McCarthy era, and that made me a Marxist.." Fem-socialists, hell-bent on achieving a genderless society, are now scheming to repeat the same disastrous experiment in Western society as that tried by Lenin who noted, "in Soviet Russia, no trace is left of any inequality between men and women under the law."

Betty Friedan was another giant in the feminist movement . She wrote "The Feminist Mystique" and she was a long-time participant in the American Communist movement. Low information feminist fellow-travelers which include pliable male 'white knights' are easily duped by "equality". rhetoric. Freiderich Engels who is the father of Marxist theory predicted that equality of the sexes would only happen when women abandoned their homes and become worker-drones. Of course the tactic was to sell feminism in a socially vanilla way. Who would oppose "equality"?


You left out Foreigner along with others who don't post here. By the way, the "hordes of evil left" now run Universities and colleges and attempt to influence the mushy minds of the young. That was done in the Soviet system.

It's ironic that Sobieski mentions Orwell. With all the bogus talk about "equality", he authored the famous line, "all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others." With all the preferences given women in our social, cultural and now even in law, it would seem that feminists believe they are the more equal ones. His books "Animal Farm" and "1984" were precursors to what is happening in the west today. Feminisms love of an authoritarian state will fail because it is unnatural. Even now, more and more 'recovering feminists' which I've quoted and linked are seeing the light.

Again a failure to define terms and confusing issues. There is a huge difference between women-hating and having reservations about some of the radical feminist notions and agendas.