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News on driving in Poland


pawian 151 | 7,988    
8 Jan 2013  #1
The aim of this thread is to present new laws/legal acts/reforms/changes etc etc concerning driving in Poland.

Opps! The end of paradise for Polish drivers? Traditional hairdryers

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and regular radars

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are slowy pushed out by new technologies. The authorities are installing high tech dual direction radars

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Rostowski, Minister of Finance, is planning to gather unbelievable1.5 billion zlotys from fines and tickets for the state budget this year.

There are the first dissenting voices in Poland as to what action the new speed controllers . The idea is that the director is notified of the commission of the offense after the fact , however, is not pre- warned as is the case of fixed speed cameras. Alternatively , if they are " caught " by a vehicle equipped with a video recorder are immediately punished mandate. The thing is that the director does not have consciousness, if they are controlled or not, because there is no information on the control of photo radar . However, the provisions are directed as in the case of unmarked patrol cars equipped with video recorders , and even believe that this driver will be ridden more formally , since they're not sure whether or not it is going for a vehicle equipped with a speed camera .
smurf 39 | 1,983    
8 Jan 2013  #2
Good stuff, maybe people will finally slow the fuq down.
Hit them in the pockets and hit them hard.

2 major problems will remain though, the attitude of a vast portion of the population towards drink driving and the use of mobile phone while driving.

Every phone has a speaker, why don't people just buy one of these grippads (20zl)....or a bluetooth mic (from 50zl)?
As regard drink driving, mandatory jail time, huge fines & a few years ban off the roads......fines of like 10,000zl for people caught with alcohol in their blood, crucify people with debts, really make them hurt, taking a hardline is the only thing that'll work here, since nothing else has.
kondzior 8 | 940    
8 Jan 2013  #3
If one cause an accident while drunk sure. But what is wrong with drunk driving if you drive safe anyway? My friend sometimes goes out of his car on all fours, too drunk to stand on his feet, he is driving like that for over 30 years, and he never, ever, so much as scratched his car.

Some people are good drivers, some not, and the better ones should be treated favorably.
The same thing with speeding. If you are good driver, pass an exam maybe, you should be granted some bigger speed limit.
rybnik 18 | 1,462    
8 Jan 2013  #4
your friend is very lucky.
please don't tell us that someone who is sh..-faced can operate a motor vehicle safely.
it just doesn't work that way
kondzior 8 | 940    
8 Jan 2013  #5
So because you cannot hold your liquor, no one is allowed?
jon357 64 | 14,382    
8 Jan 2013  #6
please don't tell us that someone who is sh..-faced can operate a motor vehicle safely.
it just doesn't work that way

Exactly. Drink driving laws were passed for very good reasons rather than a whimsy. Same with speed limits. Both have reduced the number of accidents considerably.

If someone owns a vast country estate with nobody else on the roads they can drive how they like. If they want to share roads with other drivers and pedestrians, both of those groups have a right to be sure that all drivers are sober, clearly visible, not holding a telephone and driving within the speed limit.
rybnik 18 | 1,462    
8 Jan 2013  #7
So because you cannot hold your liquor, no one is allowed?

No
Because ethanol impairs one reflexes, judgement and spatial orientation.
There are no "functional alcoholic drivers"!
Just very, very lucky ones.
Lenka 2 | 1,063    
8 Jan 2013  #8
So because you cannot hold your liquor, no one is allowed?

No.Because of the fact that human biology works in certain way.Your friend is a moron and a danger to others.
rybnik 18 | 1,462    
8 Jan 2013  #9
If they want to share roads with other drivers and pedestrians, both of those groups have a right to be sure that all drivers are sober, clearly visible, not holding a telephone and driving within the speed limit.

yes
agreed
kondzior 8 | 940    
8 Jan 2013  #10
What happened to freedom? It's worrying to see that government ultimately use it to get more control, more restrictions on people's behavior. And is it going to eliminate tragedies? Certainly not.

This is something of a pet issue for me.

When questioned closely, virtually everyone I know will admit that they've driven drunk many times, but they just didn't get caught.

Where I live, virtually all social interaction is based on drunk driving. Population density is low, so you have to drive to get anywhere. Nobody wants to be a designated driver and even if they did, it's not really feasible for them to drop everyone off at their houses, it would just take too long due to the distances involved. Nor is it really feasible for people to wait until they're sober to head home during the cold weather months, especially since you can be ticketed for sitting in a car in the parking lot while drunk.

So everybody just drives drunk and hopes they don't get caught. These laws just create a lottery where some guys get their lives ruined because they were unlucky and got caught, while everybody else commits the same crime but gets away with it. They'll admit this when questioned closely, but they're still unwilling to oppose these ridiculously draconian drunk driving laws.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,679    
8 Jan 2013  #11
These laws just create a lottery where some guys get their lives ruined because they were unlucky and got caught,

what about the people whose lives are ruined when some ******* drunken driver kills them or their family?
rybnik 18 | 1,462    
8 Jan 2013  #12
What happened to freedom?

really Kondzior?
what about the freedom to drive your car without fear of a drunk driver driving into you?
why should my safety be subjugated by your "freedom" to drive while intoxicated??
come on now
kondzior 8 | 940    
8 Jan 2013  #13
Bad drivers, when killing someone while drunk should be punished much more harshly, but what is wrong if one is driving safely, drunk or otherwise?
jon357 64 | 14,382    
8 Jan 2013  #14
What happened to freedom?

Freedom to know that the other driver doesn't have their judgement impaired by substance abuse?

So everybody just drives drunk and hopes they don't get caught

What you really mean is: "....hopes they don't get killed and kill others".
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,679    
8 Jan 2013  #15
it's not possible to drive safely when intoxicated, although some claim that it is, it simply isn't.
kondzior 8 | 940    
8 Jan 2013  #16
ban cars

kill everyone who drives

instant incline due to no more lazy foocks clogging up the street, instant growth of local businesses, everyone's fit and strong, cleaner environment, chicks have nice toned thighs and arses num num, better world
OP pawian 151 | 7,988    
9 Jan 2013  #17
crucify people with debts, really make them hurt, taking a hardline is the only thing that'll work here, since nothing else has.

Courts are already harsh on offenders, e.g., even a biker who broke the speed limit (40 km) on his bike (53 km) was fined. He claimed that he hadn`t known how fast he had been going due to the lack of speedometer but it didn`t matter to the judge. Certainly it didn`t help he was riding naked.

Cyclist in Poland

Cyclist from Pomerania, Poland , which exceeded the speed of riding naked on the bike has to pay 1000 zł 100 zł fines and court costs . The court upheld Szczecinek released earlier in his verdict prescriptive .

The court found Mariusz Sztuba guilty and again sentenced him to a fine of 1,000 zł . The man did not agree with the verdict and is considering an appeal . Do not , however, lose humor.
smurf 39 | 1,983    
9 Jan 2013  #18
If one cause an accident while drunk sure. But what is wrong with drunk driving if you drive safe anyway? My friend sometimes goes out of his car on all fours, too drunk to stand on his feet, he is driving like that for over 30 years, and he never, ever, so much as scratched his car.

your pants are on fire
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769    
9 Jan 2013  #19
What happened to freedom? It's worrying to see that government ultimately use it to get more control, more restrictions on people's behavior. And is it going to eliminate tragedies? Certainly not. This is something of a pet issue for me.

Why have any laws at all then? Is anarchy not the fullest expression of freedom to do?
kondzior 8 | 940    
9 Jan 2013  #20
While tragedies are devastating, we live in groups, and the tragedy of one cannot be used to dictate how all the others will function and restrict all they do.

Implementing exceedingly restrictive measures, which effectively punish everyone, making them all pay and treat them like public dangers on the road for the misbehavior of a few rotten apples.

People go see their friends, and have a few drinks. There is nothing inherently wrong with that. The problem is taking too much alcohol.

It's better not to drink and drive, but someone who drank one beer and drives few hours later doesn't deserve to lose his license or go to prison.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,679    
9 Jan 2013  #21
It's better not to drink and drive, but someone who drank one beer and drives few hours later doesn't deserve to lose his license or go to prison.

but in a previous post you were essentially saying that it was quite acceptable to get s.hit-faced and drive?
kondzior 8 | 940    
9 Jan 2013  #22
I remember driving drunk from TJ to L.A once. Sh!t was intense. Hit the road around 2 am and managed to get to house a little bit after 7 am(I got kind of lost along the way. Being extremely wasted and with a few whhores in the back seat of the SUV can do that). Still don't know how we managed to cross the border though.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769    
9 Jan 2013  #23
I don't see where that answers my questions: Why have any laws at all then? <<<<that's the main one.

Is anarchy not the fullest expression of freedom to do?
kondzior 8 | 940    
9 Jan 2013  #24
Why the law exist? In order to be broken - old joke from bad communist times.
I guess you'd be happy under communist harness, then? Being told where to live, where to work, how you drive, etc...
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769    
9 Jan 2013  #25
^
No but you did a nice job of countering 1 extreme for another. That being said, I think there is a middle ground from complete lawlessness and complete control.

How would you feel if you lost a loved one due to a drunk driver?
smurf 39 | 1,983    
9 Jan 2013  #26
While tragedies are devastating, we live in groups, and the tragedy of one cannot be used to dictate how all the others will function and restrict all they do.

Ah right, sure we should left Nazi Germany alone so eh?

I remember driving drunk from TJ to L.A once. Sh!t was intense. Hit the road around 2 am and managed to get to house a little bit after 7 am(I got kind of lost along the way. Being extremely wasted and with a few whhores in the back seat of the SUV can do that). Still don't know how we managed to cross the border though.

Yea, this really happened, I totally 100% believe you.

Has PF found a new troll?
Wroclaw Boy    
9 Jan 2013  #28
Rostowski, Minister of Finance, is planning to gather unbelievable1.5 billion zlotys from fines and tickets for the state budget this year.

Its a shame the financial aspect is taking priority over the safety. In the UK speed cameras and mobile cameras are placed in the most profitable areas not the notoriously dangerous ones.
Varsovian 92 | 634    
10 Jan 2013  #29
Rostowski swiped some historic books from a mate of mine in London. Sorry, to be exact - borrowed and never returned, feigning ignorance when asked.

It shows his attitude to the property of others.
OP pawian 151 | 7,988    
10 Jan 2013  #30
Polish drivers are uniting to protest against new restrictions. . They vow to drive according to rules to make Rostowski go bankrupt.

As regard drink driving, mandatory jail time, huge fines & a few years ban off the roads......fines of like 10,000zl for people caught with alcohol in their blood, crucify people with debts, really make them hurt, taking a hardline is the only thing that'll work here, since nothing else has.

You forgot about the compulsory confiscation of the car. I heard today they are going to introduce it in Belarus soon. It should be in Poland too.


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