Jerzy Kosinski: Are his works popular in Poland?

Yikes! That seems _way_ too intense for teenagers.... I absolutely recommend it to those over 21 but.... it is just so.... primal I don't think most teenagers are capable of absorbing it.... (I have the same thoughts about Israeli school trips to Auschwitz... that's not age appropriate).

There's a fascinating story on the American radio show "This American Life" about one of the first people to interview camp inmates.... The people sound dazed and disoriented at least partly because they didn't have a vocabulary for what happened to them.... a lot of vocabulary and concepts around the camps were only lexicalized much later and those who experienced them first hand didn't have language for it....

thisamericanlife.org/197/before-it-had-a-name/act-one-7

a site devoted Boder's work:

voices.library.iit.edu/

I don't know about that... We had to read it at our last year at high school, so I was at least 18 years old at that time... If I didn't read it then, would I or other students read it later? Many probably wouldn't... So, I think it was an important part of education - not only about history, but also about human nature... It was defenitely depressing, especially considering that we also had to read "Inny świat. Zapiski sowieckie" ("A World Apart. A Memoir of the Gulag") by Gustaw Herling-Grudziński (born in Kielce, btw) in the same year (and other WWII literature and poems and history). Where and when to learn about it if not at school though?

Btw, we were taught about WWII and the Holocaust (and the 1946 Kielce pogrom) already in the secondary school and we had to read "Zdążyć przed Panem Bogiem" at that time too (an interview Mark Edelman), as far as I remember... There was some messed up stuff in that book too... (I actually think we were probably too young for that book - normally these days it's a high school reading, I think.)

I've read "Smoke over Birkenau" when I was a teen too, from start to finish - out of my free will...

Btw, what obligatory reading do RuSSian and American schools have regarding the topic of WWII? Is there any?

There's no such concept in the US. Education is usually controlled at the local level maybe a bit at the state level. I don't remember much about WWII in school, i'm sure it was there but probably at least as much about the pacific theater where the US role was more important....

But in English it was usually excerpts rather than whole works (again largely chosen by the particular teacher).

I was probably the last generation that acceptable public education as the republicans began dismantling it to avoid paying school taxes.... and crazy leftists have also ruined the content....

I had to take breaks though, because at some points I thought I won't be able to finish it... But if you read that book you'll probably know why I read it till the end (the author wanted the world to know what was done to them).

*an interview with Marek Edelman

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek_Edelman

I'm only familiar with Borowski's text in translation ("This way to the gas, Ladies and Gentlemen!") I never ran across the
original, unfortunately.

Indeed. You are a completely indoctrinated cult member who constantly demonstrates that your first, last and only core function in life is to defend your cult and its image.




A big red flag when someone is lying is inconsistencies in their statements and you certainly can't get your story straight when trying (and failing) to identify Lewinkopf.

How do you know how he self-identified anyway when you don't speak for him or his estate?

Obviously you don't know and don't care either because the only thing that's ever consistent about your propaganda posts is your utter fixation with glorifying anything you can pin the label Jewish on while at the same time trying to tarnish everything Polish.

You too belong to a cult.


The only truth is you failed to explain why you believe Lewinkopf's delusions should carry any weight in today's Poland when it didn't only a few decades ago.

Again, only a cult member like yourself would be as delusional as Lewinkopf to believe that Poles should hold in high regard a truck driving, anti-Polish plagiarist who killed himself rather than explain himself and apologize for his unscrupulous behavior.


And the forensics of ink chromatography? Nah, you're too brainwashed anyway for scientific evidence.

Ah, yes, this is why Anne Frank would truly resonate so much with the likes of you:

Anne Frank's 'dirty' jokes found on diary pages she covered over

"Researchers using digital technology on two pages of Anne Frank's diary covered over with brown masking paper have discovered passages featuring four risque jokes and candid explanations of sex, contraception and prostitution."

theguardian.com/books/2018/may/15/anne-franks-dirty-jokes-found-diary-pages-covered-brown-paper

Also for you and those of your bent who enjoy a really good killing streak here's another gory story inspired by Anne Frank:

Portland Anne Frank-impersonating drag queen trans activist arrested for murder in Virginia

"Michael Horwitz has been charged with second-degree murder and stabbing in the commission of a felony."

thepostmillennial.com/portland-anne-frank-impersonating-drag-queen-trans-activist-arrested-for-murder-in-virginia

Honestly couldn't care less what his original family name was, Poloniusz, nor should you.
Fact is, he changed or had his name changed in order to sound less Jewish, this is clear.

You do love to play the Devil's Advocate now, don't you

Of course you don't care what name he went by (or that he was a discredited character either) because all you care about is that he was Jewish.

And that's the entire point of this redundant thread you started.

All that matters to you is that he was Jewish and therefore in your head every Pole in Poland should buy his navel-gazing, anti-Polish propaganda and praise him for it.

Like I said, you are in a cult.

A reminder...Any Jew who said "Poles and Jews" is not a Pole.

Strong even for kids that age.

We all saw a film (some of my classmates were in it as extras) filmed locally called Threads. There was a lot of discussion at the time about whether it was suitable for the young; a film so shocking that's fen adults were stunned into silence.

Nowadays of course they can all see some quite nasty stuff on the internet. Hard to say that it does them any good.


Is it a problem for you that a book published in the 1950s for teenagers would be bowdlerised? In your country people still don't say cvnt on TV.

Grow up and stop trolling: we're talking about serious things.

I roundly disagree, Rich!
A Polish ESL student of mine, when asked whether or not
she had any Jewish classmates at her university,
the Catholic University of Lublin, replied that she
didn't know of any off hand. If there were any, they'd
be in the section of the school exclusively for foreigners.

Does that answer your question?

"Kids"? According to Polish law 18-year-olds are adults... If they can vote, drive a car, work, pay taxes, get married and be parents, be in p0rn films, then why wouldn't they read about the realities of the Holocaust?


"See"? Well, not only see...

I, however, see some inconsistency here... I don't recall you being bothered by or worried about Polish law which says that it's OK for a 15-year-old to be f*cked by 30-year-olds, 40-year-olds, 50-year-olds, 60-year-olds, etc. So, for you a 15-year-old is "adult" enough to have sex with someone hitting 40, but 18-year-olds are "kids" who may not cope with just reading about the Holocaust? 🤨 You think that a 15-year-old girl isn't likely to get more traumatised and damaged by being sexually exploited by someone as sociopathic and perverted as Strzelec35, than by... reading a book?

Superb post!

LOL! Look at how indignant you pretend to be!

Anyway, only you could come off with ludicrous statements like that all in one post and believe it makes you look like you have some moral authority (hint: you don't and never have).

Seriously, stop being such a cultist and trying to elevate that young hussy into a saint.

She even shocked herself when re-reading her licentious ramblings at a much, much younger age.

The two versions of Anne's diary

Less explicit about sexuality

"15-year-old Anne looked with amazement at the things she had written about sex and sexuality when she was 13 years old. Most of the references and passages on the subject were omitted from the rewritten version. Anne also left out diary letters from a later period, March 1944. In those diary letters she had written about sexuality."

annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/two-versions-annes-diary/

Are you on drugs?


Neither unusual nor a particularly surprising bit information. Very well known too.

Hard to know what your weird point about Anne Frank is here?.

jon, the answer to your question is more than likely YES!!!

Oh, so in other words life was routine and comfortable for this run-of-the-mill, sex-crazed jewish teenager (despite living in a western country under Nazi occupation).

Thanks for clearing that up.

It goes to show then that "her story" is totally incomparable, unrelatable and irrelevant vis-a-vis the sheer terror and destruction which befell Poland under Nazi occupation and the heroic struggle of millions of Poles everywhere to overcome it.