Cannabis / Weed in Poland... How much does marijuana cost per gram and how easy is to get it?

Drug usage is increasing anyway, despite strong drug laws in most countries. With legalisation, the one thing sure to decrease is the huge profit that organised criminals are making from smuggling and sale, and the collateral crime of addicts robbing people and their homes in order to pay an extortionate price, for an intrinsically cheap product, to the mafia.

The state pays for rebabilitation anyway - why not get some of the money back through tax revenue. Not to mention the huge costs of carrying out the failed 'war on drugs'.

After all, alcohol and nicotine are extremely dangerous drugs, but nobody suggests driving them underground and thereby depriving the government of excise duty and at the same time enriching criminals.

If you don't approve of legalisation, you therefore support throwing ever larger amounts of public money into trying to stop something that experience has shown cannot be stopped.

Well, in Holland, about 3,3 % smokes Canabis, about 0,3% sniffs Cocaine and about 0.4% swallows Ecstasy pills frequently. Only a few individuals still use Heroine, which is basically seen as a drug for losers among the younger generation. The usage of the party-drug GHB however, is said to increase. I don't have any actual or hard figures on GHB, but I suspect it's about as popular as Ecstacy. If I have to believe these reports, I think about 4,5% to 4,6% of our total population uses drugs frequently. All in all, the use of drugs has decreased among the whole population.

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But in the end, it's all just a personal decision anyway right? Doing it in your own home? Not bothering anyone? Go ahead and tap a vein. Come rob my house, I'll shoot you. It's win win.

AJ, I'd vote for you man :-)
Some really well well made and articulate points,
good on ya.


It may peak after the first year or so of legalisation but then it after the initial period of curiosity it would level out.
THe thing to remember is that were drugs legalised then it would bring far less health problems to users as


wrote in his post


naw, i think you're just trying to stir some sh*t with a comment like that

It's totally irresponsibile to give drugs, actually any drug, be it weed, tobacco, magic mushrooms or alcohol to a person who's body has not reached full development. Society deems that age to be 18, 21 in some countries, and indeed 16 in some other countries.

Plus it's the government, if they can't even make public transport free they're hardly going to give a substance away for free when they can earn extra revenue by taxing it.

I put a link to a documentary in an earlier post, I'd urge people to watch it. Most of the commentators at the end of the movie agree that legalisation will happen, it's really just a matter of time. I hope it comes sooner rather than later, because I don't want to be 50 years old and having to buy my weed off some ******* criminal and run the risk of being arrested for smoking a substance which has absolutely no proof whatsoever of being harmful.

A point they make in the movie is that if marijuana were harmful we would certainly have seen the effects on society by now and we haven't

Ofcourse it's harmful (when smoked), but that's not the point. Personal risk management should be up to the individual. Same with cigarettes, they are harmful, some of us choose to accept the risk. Fair enough. I'd like to see some unbiased research for once.. If it's out in the open, we can mitigate the negative effects of smoking it with things like vaporizers and ingestion (mmm, cannabutter). More info = smarter and healthier populace.

Which drugs are we talking about? Will curiosity be enough to break the habit? Aren't we talking about the possibility peer pressure, physical and mental addiction?


A J


Are you saying that possible lung damage, slowing of motor skills, the impact on pregnant women would lead to far less health related problems?

That segment of the population would otherwise smoke and drink anyway, the people that are that messed up are already doing meth while dropping out little sex trophies.

It's only harmful when smoked/mixed with tobacco.
Seriously check the documentary I linked above. It uses many official research projects in it's arguments.
BUt yea cannabutter is prety great, we used to mix it with yops, it's a drinkable yogurt. good times, but it was hash so it would have actually been harmful


Marijuana has absolutely no addictive effects. The post title is marijuana so that's what I'm talking about.


Again, if you take the time to watch the documentary you'll see that marijuana has no harmful effects on people, so long as it's smoked in it's pure form, so no tobacco and no hash/resin, just the plant itself.

The slowing of motor skills, well, yea thats obvious, I mean you wouldn't drive after drinkin so they same would apply for smoking.
Re: pregnant women then they shouldn't smoke while pregnant, just like the shouldn't drink during the nine months
Their bodies are able for it but the developing child's body isn't, same as alcohol & tobacco

It depends on how the hash was made, and if something was mixed into it. Hash itself, whether traditional or bubble hash, isn't harmful at all.

Negative side effects commonly reported by GHB users:
dizziness (76%)
blurred vision (74%)
hot/cold flushes (65%)
vomiting (53%)
profuse sweating (58%)
loss of consciousness (50%)
blackouts/memory lapses (45%)
tremors and shakes (47%)
shortness of breath (38%)
headache (38%)
heart palpitations (32%)
fit/seizure (8%)
The long term effects of GHB: addiction (more of the drug needed to get the same effects), loss of coordination due to loss of muscle tone, difficulty concentrating, desire to sleep, deep sedation from which the victim cannot be awakened by any means for about three hours, and in many cases, death.

Well you'd have to sift all the seeds out of it and remove all the stalks. The way I say it made was that everything was just lobbed into a pot and "cooked".

The thing is with hash you never really know what you're getting and what has been added to it, I've seen reports that has toxoligy reports saying that they sometimes add diesel, rat poison, grounded up fine glass and even heroin to the mix.

When i read that I swore I'd never smoke hash again.

But i do understand that homemade hash made of just the buds and leaves would be harmless, so long as smoked thru a pipe or bong

I was being sarcastic if you didn't notice :)

Seeds? Should only have ladies to begin with :) Traditionally buds are just sifted smaller and smaller until you end up with a nice little pile of beautiful trichomes.

Bubble hash is made by throwing all your leftovers after your harvest into a bucket of water and filtering down. Nothing wrong with that either :)

Any better ideas on what to do with your trimmings?


Not my quote... Mine are usually a bit more spiteful :)

Brownies?

you would have to eat them like a salad to get anything at all.

GHB? Isn't that used in date-rape? Why would anybody take that?


yea true, forgot about that, yea well as I said if nothing's been added to it then it'd be exactly the same as smoking the bud/leaf


I didn't and i apologise, my bad. Can we get that sarcasm sign installed here somwhere with the polish letters :-)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_punctuation#Irony_mark

OK, what about a nice cuppa tea then?

You'd still need a massive amount of trimmings. That's the nice thing about bubble hash, you begin with a garbage bag full of left overs, and end up with everything salvageable condensed into a nice little clump.

Well you can see what my past-time isnt :-)

Point is, why the hell is it illegal? How about making acting like an idiot illegal and punish people that break the law? Even harshly if you want.

Nice twist of words there, but I was talking about hard-drugs aswell, and about the quality of the current illegal drugs as opposed to the quality of a natural and pure, uncut and preferably checked product. (I never said it was good for you!) I'm sure you've heard of Chronic or Hydro before? Well, that's what they call weed and sell to people on the streets sometimes. (Full of chemicals.) I'm simply pointing out that legal and controlled drugs will be less of a risk to the health of the people who choose to use these, but if you want to compare Crack to pure Cocaine then be my guest.

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I don't think so. I think the "kick" of doing sth illegal will be taken away and many youngsters will go look for sth else to do and the number of ppl who enjoy using it will remain doing so anyway. You're just taking away (a part of) the criminal world and will be able to focus more on the real perpetrators like dealers, hard drugs and producers. This is the way we do it in NL and we probably have the best drugs policy of the entire world with far less drugs-related problems than any other country. Our police simply says: we don't have the manpower to go after every joint-smoking teenager, so we just leave them be. That's why if you're caught in NL with less than 5 grammes (don't know the exact amount, but it's probably somewhere around that), police will give the hash back to you. However, if you're caught with more than the given amount, you'll be in deep shyt as any amount bigger than that is not considered for personal use anymore, but as possession with intent to deal. And then you go to jail. And you might not want to be caught with a little ball of cocain in your pocket either.

And besides, if you smoke pure grass/weed/whatever it's called, without tobacco (yes, you can smoke it without tobacco) it's not even physically addictive. In my life I smoked less than 10 joints and I am not addicted to it. I just don't like it myself, but if sb else likes it, I don't have any problem with it.

Edit: Hashish is considered a pain-relief in cases of arthritis.

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M-G (anyone wants to buy?)

By keeping pot illegal
the governments can maintain social control,allows permission for random urine samples on workers, make huge profits from the high prices. Right wing parties can get elected by saying it a lethal drug. Will stop the mainstream getting stoned and tuning out of consumerist society.

All though the future with peak oil,the collapse of currencies,water shortage etc etc. I think the war on weed will slacken due to economic reasons.

Yeah, and Santa is real.

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I favor the approach adopted by some countries in Asia: executing people who posses and sell drugs. This approach would eliminate the drug problem in Poland.

...because BigSisterGovernment knows what's best for us. Locking up people for smoking a plant is absurd.


Wait until marijuana users on put on waiting lists for health care treatment when Obamacare kicks in. The Orwellian state loves this sort of control.


You inhaled once too often. Everyone knows marijuana is not lethal.

We all have now legalized drugs - legal highs or herbal highs (in Poland called dopalacze)... and now whenever I'm passing nearest dopalacze shop I see lots of ppl nervously waiting for opening the shop... Lots of my friends has tried dopalcze because are legal and seems to be innocent play. Have you taken into consideration that fact?


Its a propaganda. Some % of ppl who uses marihuana on regular basis will suffer of schizofrenia induced by its usage. Although its rather small % its enough to not legilize it (and other stuff like magic mashrooms, lsd, etc). Some ppl say that marihuana is less harmful than alcohol. So what? If it was ever possible alcohol would be delegalized. What for do you think are those limitations of alcohol distribution in lots of countries? A freedom given once is a freedom that no one can abolish.

Yes. Drugs are drugs. My whole point is that telling everyone drugs are illegal won't make the drugs disappear. Just look at what happened in America when they declared alcoholic beverages illegal. The Mafia took over and people got killed. And for what? Drinking a beer?

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Replace that with freedom taken. We don't start out with limitations, they are applied.

How do you feel about caffeine? Chocolate?

How about sex? It's addictive, and you can get all kinds of nasty diseases.

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