Advocating euthanasia routinely causes scandals in Poland...

there is no pain that cannot be relieve - recent discoveries in medicine have made pain relieving fast and 100 per cent efficient - noone even if terminally ill wants to die after their pain is relieved (at least from what I read on the internet from hospice doctors) - the thing is this kind of treatment is expensive and the state is not very willing to refund it

Some choose not to live with such a reduced quality of life. That choice should be respected.

gumishu,have you ever watched someone waste away from incurable cancer?If this person should want to die,then I believe that they should have the right to decide to.

In that case, I'd like the doctors to keep my body (or the body of someone from my family) alive indefinitely. For decades, if possible.

People get better when odds are greatly against them. Medicine advances.

You are breaking away a tradition of medical ethics going back to Hippocrates himself, nearly 2400 years ago. Use executioners or specially trained killers if you want to off yourself, a healer should never do that and that imposition is the most sickening thing of this whole argument. One of my friends said that he would give up being a physician if willfully determining and causing the death of patients were to become part of his future profession.

Plus there is a big thing with giving such powers to daddy state. Death penalty is one thing, you kill a man who has done a heinous crime and has been judged accordingly. Killing people because they are sick or because they or their family have "consented" to it should be infinitely more complicated and give rise to all sorts of errors and horrors:

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255054/60-000-patients-death-pathway-told-minister-says-controversial-end-life-plan-fantastic.html

modern pain relievers will not make you unconscious even morphine doesn;t in treatment doses

Euthanasia is an easy way out, it is too easy, instead of giving up people should try and fight on, nevertheless and as a matter of fact I have seen somebody die.... and you may be surprised that this person didn't want just " switch" off, because this person had great courage and faith in God.

As a Catholic I believe that even in a darkest moment, youu never abandon hope, becauswe that is what Devil wants you to do, the darkest hours of yuor life are tests that God is putting you through. That is my opinion on euthanasia.

Cheers

I don't.I think they shoul do what they want.One way or the other.


Great but what about ppl that want to be "switched off"?

The oath of Hipocrates"

" I swear by Apollo, the healer, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath and agreement:

To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art; and that by my teaching, I will impart a knowledge of this art to my own sons, and to my teacher's sons, and to disciples bound by an indenture and oath according to the medical laws, and no others.

I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.

But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.

I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.

In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or men, be they free or slaves.

All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.

If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all humanity and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my life. "

A doctor should not kill, he should save life not take it away, because a of patient's " widzimisie"

People were bestowed with free will by God.
Let`s be consequent and let them use it according to their wishes and needs.

Not everyone shares your opinion. Would you force people to do things your way?


Generally people do not 'get better' from end-stage cancer. Medicine doesn't advance that fast.


It most certainly does if enough is administered. Would you force someone to prolong their life if they wish to die?


I'd say its very far from easy. Perhaps the hardest decision that a lot of people make.

Really?Agony is "widzimisie" for you?


I agree.I'm pro euthanasia

the thing is you are pushing responsibility for one's death onto doctors and many who are believers wouldn't want to have such a responsibility (cause they see it as a murder) - I accept euthanasia only in the case some specific profession of doctors is used to deliver the killing agent - what I can also accept is a help in suicide - but the person him/herself need to administer the poison to themselves and this should be done in the presensce of lawyers


what is agony Lenka

A strange and misleading comment. A doctor who does not wish to carry out a particular procedure doesn't have to. They are free to follow their conscience, just as in the Netherlands and a number of other countries, patients are free to follow theirs.

in a hospital environment?? what about nurses??? they are told to do various procedures if they don't they can be fired - there have to be very strict rules that will allow doctors and nurses to act in agreement with their consiousness

When it is a fully delibarate choice of a person tired of life, after undergoing complex psychological tests. I can support it because free people mustn`t be constrained in deciding about themselves.

I am against euthanasia performed on people unaware of their condition.

Can you cite an example of a nurse being fired for refusing to take part in euthanasia in the Netherlands? No, since only a doctor can perform the procedure. Here are the

I am talking about Polish reality not the Dutch - anyway I stick to the idea euthanasia or assisted suicide should be performed by special 'doctors' who do only this and with very strict rules and with the presence of the lawyers like judge or prosecutor.

What 'Polish reality'? There is none, since euthanasia isn't legal here yet. When it eventually becomes legal, I would both expect and hope that the law is strict, as per the Dutch model.

You may find this link sets your mind at rest.


Full article here:
rnw.nl/english/article/nine-myths-about-euthanasia-netherlands

Just curious. Do old men in Netherlands still live with their 'families' or is that considered old fashioned?

Who knows. Probably not much more or less than in the US, Poland or the UK.

Honestly, how would anyone know if families pressured their old parents into suicide? The state doesn't give a damn, it's legal, the kids aren't going to tell, and some senile old man about to die won't be able to. It is clear that the Dutch combat crime by simply legalizing it, thus it is no longer a problem. This is what communism leads to.

Read the link above. It demolishes that particular, rather silly, myth. People's families do not make the decision.

A way to evade my question, isn't it?

This something Lefists can't understand, once you demolished the fundaments of natural order you can't make the house stand by supporting its collapsing walls. In system where morality is decided by popopular vote the side with more money and better propagand machine will always win. Leave the Babylon before it will crush on your head.

That post doesn't really make much sense and certainly doesn't add anything to the discussion about people's right to a dignified death.

Sometimes it is not about physical pain. Some people just wish to end their daily problems in this world. .

Who needs euthansia, when you have the 'Liverpool path way'. This is the humane manner in which we let our elderly die in the UK.

We withdraw, food and water, usually without patient or relative consent and voila within 72 hours the poor bastards are dead.

Ooops, are you sure? It sounds like nasty black propaganda.

@Pawian, Nasty, yup a rather sh1tty way to die.

I think i'd rather the Doctor, at my request, shot me up with a huge amount of morphine.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_Care_Pathway_for_the_Dying_Patient

The LCP has continued to be controversial. It has been claimed that elderly patients were admitted to hospital for emergency treatment and put on the LCP without documented proof that the patient wanted it, or could not recover from their health problem; 48 year old Norfolk man Andrew Flanagan was revived by his family and went home for a further five weeks after doctors put him on the LCP.[24] The Royal College of Physicians found that up to half of families were not informed of clinicians’ decision to put a relative on the pathway.[25]

That`s sounds like euthanasia, even if not formally legal.