Puzzler 9 | 1,088 8 Jul 2007 #31El Gamal, as for the book, I remember seeing and scanning it in a big library in Canada. It was old, definitely Brit too; the language was, if my memory serves me right, Victorian. It had great illlustrations too. That's all I remember. I also remember an unbelievable novel titled, I think, 'Doctor Copernicus,' by (I think) an Irish writer (no offense to the Irish people and friends). It was definitely unfavourable towards Poland, crudely and stupidly ridiculing. A proof of its intellectual sophistication - a Polish military man, Kopernik's contemporary, appears in the novel, whose surname is Chopin....:)))))))))))))))
joepilsudski 26 | 1,388 10 Jul 2007 #32Two Polish heroes who prevented alien hordes from storming the gates of Europe: JohnSobieski who stopped the Turks at the Battle of Vienna in 1683...Joseph Pilsudski who stopped the Jewish Bolsheviks at the Battle of Warsaw/Vistula in 1920...Pilsudski only delayed the final onslaught of Bolshevism & Naziism, but at least he gained Poland independence & gave it some breathing space...These are two Polish historical figureswho EVERYONE should know about.
mario_alexan - | 27 12 Jul 2007 #34Unfortunately it's thought that winner o'Battle of Vienna was Leopold I. Bloody hell...
joepilsudski 26 | 1,388 12 Jul 2007 #35No, Joe Pilsudski is a pen name...you can view my profile & see I do not resemble Joe.
Puzzler 9 | 1,088 12 Jul 2007 #36Joe, I was just kidding. All the best, man.:)re: it's thought that winner o'Battle of Vienna was Leopold I- As usual, Germans have twisted historical facts pertaining to the Poles. Oh well, but many still know that it was Sobieski who defeated the Turks at Vienna. In England, Sobieski's victory has been immortalised in one of John Milton's writings.
mario_alexan - | 27 12 Jul 2007 #37Yeah, but not exactly Germans - bloody Habsburgs so Austrians in this case ;-). When I saw a monument of the winner of this battle in Budapest - I started laughing ;).
Puzzler 9 | 1,088 12 Jul 2007 #38re: so Austrians [...] a monument of the winner of this battle in Budapest- Well, isn't it Hungarians in this case?
mario_alexan - | 27 12 Jul 2007 #39Who was the 'owner' of Hungary for a long period in the history, huh?:> Guess than who was the ruler of this area.
Puzzler 9 | 1,088 12 Jul 2007 #42re: Austria, dude, The Habsburg Monarchy to be exact- You mean Austria and the Habsburgs are the 'owner' of Hungary?Huh, dude?:)
mario_alexan - | 27 12 Jul 2007 #43Who was the 'owner' of Hungary for a long period in the history, huh?:>'Were', dude :> And the monument was originally built while the country belonged to them.Moreover I used the word 'owner' as the synonym of 'ruler' if your point is wrong usage of a word.
Puzzler 9 | 1,088 12 Jul 2007 #44re: 'Were', dude- Do you mean Austria and the Hapsburgs don't rule Hungary after all? Then who rules Hungary? Isn't it Hungarians who do?If yes, then aren't they responsible for Budapest monuments?re: if your point is wrong usage of a word.- And what do you mean by this?
mario_alexan - | 27 12 Jul 2007 #46Of course they don't rule. :) Where have I said that? They USED to. The monument was built by them while they still ruled there, that's obvious. And the monument became the historical one. So there was no point to change it. But it's a historical point of view and nice example of propaganda inside one's country.But I see, that I've made a little mistake. I'm quite tired and I've read 'is' as 'was', so I've misunderstood your question. Now you got it I think :D My bad ;)- And what do you mean by this?I wrote it because I wasn't sure if I haven't made a mistake of sth, and then we have a misunderstanding. ;)
dannyboy 18 | 248 12 Jul 2007 #47Notable people of Polish descent:Radyk "boogey nights" Miroslaw IV"Ham Sandwich" KaczynskiIgor CosmonautYuri GagarararararararararinZydrunas ZawikasIvan DragoOther footnote Polish people:Winston ChurchillJohn F KennedyBill ClintonIdi amin
Puzzler 9 | 1,088 12 Jul 2007 #48re: Notable people of Polish descent:- Jim Joyce was Polish too. And so is Bono.;)
Puzzler 9 | 1,088 12 Jul 2007 #50Shawn, Neil Young is definitely Polish. I'll stand up to you on that any time, any place.:)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,863 13 Jul 2007 #51I really don't know if people born in other countries should count too...If yes we Germans wouldn't even know where to start...alone in the US 1/4 of the people have german heritage (also the scientists, artists, musicians etc.)....and not only in the US."Fred Astaire, Lauren Bacall, William Boeing, Sandra Bullock, Walter P. Chrysler, Leonardo DiCaprio, Kirsten Dunst, Albert Einstein, Dwight D. Eisenhower, George Armstrong Custer, Babe Ruth, Clark Gable, Milton Hershey, Charles M. Schulz ("Peanuts"), Joseph Pulitzer, John Steinbeck, Chester W. Nimitz, F.W. von Steuben, Elvis Presley, Heinrich Steinway, John D. Rockefeller, Levi Strauss, John Studebaker, Herbert Hoover, Henry Kissinger, Jerry Springer, Ruth Westheimer, J. Robert Oppenheimer, Billy Wilder, Bruce Willis, Johnny Weissmuller and, and, and...."We should therefore confine it to the fatherlands I think....
shopgirl 6 | 928 13 Jul 2007 #52We should therefore confine it to the fatherlands I think....Elvis had German heritage? :)I had no idea......
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,863 13 Jul 2007 #53*waves to his girl* :)Ahem...*puts on teachers hat*....Also....a winemaker (vintner) named Johann Valentin Pressler came 1710 to New York from Niederhochstadt in the southern Palatine (till today there are living lot's of Presslers). This village is today called Hochstadt...the same like the village in Pennsylvania which the Pressler-Clan founded new.A later Pressler, who took part in the battle at Gettysburg changed the name to "Presley"...*throws away teachers hat and bows*serve.com/shea/germusa/germusa.htm
shopgirl 6 | 928 13 Jul 2007 #55*throws away teachers hat and bows*and that's my Brat :)I like the hat though, can I keep it? :)Jerry SpringerI'm not sure you would want to claim him, though!
Daisy 3 | 1,224 13 Jul 2007 #56George Armstrong CusterI was led to believe his family originated from Orkney, original name Cursiter which is an Orkney name
joepilsudski 26 | 1,388 14 Jul 2007 #58Here is a famous Pole: the evil genius Zbigniew Brzezinski...his father was in the Polishforeign service in Canada.
beckski 12 | 1,612 14 Jul 2007 #59Anyone ever heard of Polish-American actress Stefania Zofia Federkiewicz? She's better known as Ms. Stephanie Powers. Very talented I must say.
Highoncrime 14 Jul 2007 #60Im mad, bratworst fag what the **** is your problem, u want to know some famouse polish people ok i dont remember some of their names but bear w/ me people..Martha stuart is PolishAndy Warhol Famous painter - he was polishRon Jaworski: quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles, led them to the 1980 Super Bowl,The first armored car robbery was done by a polish manTed Kazynski: The unabomber- polish (ps if he was still around hed kick ur ass for this)Michael Anthony (Sobolewski), Van Halen band -PolishSamuel Goldwyn, legendary film producer - PolishKaren O (Orzołek), the lead vocalist for the New York art punk band Yeah Yeah Yeahs- is polishSamuel "Billy" Wilder, six Oscars winning film director, screenwriter and producer - is polishAnd the warner brothers are polish---Fictional characters-----------Magneto is polish and so is Balck hawk( both comic book heros) (marvel ******* rules)Walter Koskiusko Waldowski, the "Painless Pole" in MASH (film)Walter Sobchak, the "Polish Catholic" from the film Big Lebowski_real people again-John of Kolno (also known as Jan z Kolna, Johannes Scolnus, Ioannis Scolvenius or Iohannes Scolvus Polonus) (1435–1484)—a semi-legendary Polish sailor and navigator serving for the court of Denmark. According to various sources he was one of the first Europeans to reach the shores of the Americas prior to Columbus in 1476 as steersman of Didrik Pining.So technically we got here second, first was native americansThere is lots more....
