Help with Postal Customs office in Poland. I need to get an item that is being withheld there. Rolex imitation

Hi Guys,

Can anyone help me get an item that is being withheld at the postal office.

Many Thanks

Just explain the situation. I received a gift sent from my father from Hong Kong (Rolex Replication watch) thats been held. I received a letter declaring value of item and then a letter telling me that item is being seized because it is an imitation. Is there anyway I can receive this watch? I'm happy to forward the letter to anyone who can give me a better understanding of whats happening.

Many Thanks,

Not if it's a fake, pretending to be a Rolex. No country in the EU would allow that through nowadays.

Hi! Your watch is going to be destroyed (if not already destroyed) and you may get a warning (+ penalty to pay?).

Sorry but in EU counterfeit items are not allowed.

How can they proof that this is a fake watch? Can I just pay a customs fee and receive it ?

They know how to recognize a real thing from a fake thing ;).

No you cannot as your watch may have already been destroyed.

Fakes are not allowed in Europe.

Sending it by mail is a clue - people don't usually pop gold watches in the post. And as InPolska says, they know how to spot a fake.

The problem is if it has the words Rolex on the front or back, or is an exact or her exact deliberate copy of one of the Rolex range. After all, you could sell it on pretending it's the real thing.

You can receive watch Rolex-look-like without markings Rolex but potato with inscription "Rolex" will be seized.

True.

Merged: Fake Rolex Watch Seizure being Sued by Rolex need the best Law Firm in Poland

Hi Guys,

I posted earlier regarding this matter. It has evolved into a court case. I was wondering if anyone could kindly recommend any good lawyers who would be able to help out with this case. Its quite urgent and I would appreciate any help you could provide me.

Any based in Poznan would be great but I guess even outside of Poznan.

Appreciate your help and support.

Many Thanks,

Glad to hear that Rolex are suing you, I hope they fine you the full retail price of each watch that you sold. hopefully under Polish law you may have to spend some time in prison.

I can recommend someone - he's capable of organising a very good defence in this area.

Can you leave your e-mail address and I'll pass it on to him, please? He's based in Poznań.

Hi ! I am a lawyer based in Poland (outside Poznan), and I may be able to help you with your Court case.

if you are interested, send me a private message on this forum, and we shall see what we can do with your case.

Best justice money could buy?

COUNTERFEIT ARE CRIMNALS, THIS IS LIKE BUYING DRUGS.

CAREFULL YOU CAN BE ARRESTED.

If on the declaration it clearly stated 'Fake Rolex for personal use only, not to be sold' - that is one thing, but I suspect that someone may have wanted to pass it on as the real thing.

Not sure that would have worked. Fake is fake and fake is illegal

Great to see Polish Customs Office works!!! Have a nice fine , thief!!!

If you bought a Hong Kong Rolex and the post office is tying up (are you sure its post office and not customs) give it up.. Chances are you bought the cheapest kind of Rolex (the same kind passed off in Jamaica and Mexico for $10 at most) since its from hk and I'm willing to bet its a Chinese movement..

And now you're in trouble.. Are you a pl or eu citizen?

The court will probably just give you a fine. I would argue you didn't know it was a fake. If you did they can charge you with importation of countefeits, dodging taxes and all sorts of ****. Say you're sorry you wanted a gift for you dad (if in fact its one watch and no 100) and you didn't know it was fame

If you want any info on watches and jewelry pm me as I am a collector and have a lot of knowledge on this topic.

Lol the fact that even the post office knew it was a Rolex proves tho it must have been a really really crappy counterfeit. The best Rolex counterfeits cost thousands are made of 18k depending on model and have a perfect automatic movement. Very difficult for even a jeweler or even collector to tell apart... Although there is one trick with the bezel to tell rotating bezel fakes apart from real ones.

So glad we have something here called the 4th amendment. No opening of us domestic mail here without a warrant : )

So you're saying that you're happy because you can more freely steal money from genuine firms by supporting counterfeit criminal business?
Tells a lot about you.

I recently wanted to upgrade my mobile phone since i had an old Google Nexus 6 since it's release in Q4 2014. I got amused by Chinese company Xiaomi and their Xiaomi Mi Mix device (love bezelless big screens) and seeing it's about 2200 PLN I decided to go for it. Sadly every website selling it encourages avoiding VAT payment by cheating Customs Office. I found it extremely shady and despite I am falling in love with Chinese phones (they're futuristic and of high quality) I won't be buying those as long as they're not officially in the Western market.

I just spent another 1200 PLN and went for Samsung Galaxy S8 instead. More pricey but legal.

@NoToForeigners

No I don't buy or sell counterfeits. I am a collector of watches so i buy the real thing. If you ask most collectors traders art dealers etc they care little about counterfeits as its a totally separate market from the legit one and actually oftentimes larger.

Nonetheless I don't care if people do. Thats their business. Everyone has to eat and id rather some broke Mexican or Nigerian sewing lv purses in their basement to make $50 a day than a corp selling a purse for 2000% plus more than materials and labor cost, oftentimes with the exact same quality as the stores. Here imitations replicas etc are gray market. They're openly sold in malls shops everywhere and no one cares.

To me a person buying or selling a fake chanel is no different than the starving artist who bought or paints a van Gogh imitation. Now if he tries to pass it off at sothebys as original its an issue. However most consumers are keenly aware if they're buying the real or fake thing.

Fyi Chinese counterfeit electronics tend to be lower quality than Samsung apple etc.

@Dirk diggler
See. Too me law is law regardless who you are. If you believe that you are helping some poor Chinese guy buy illegally buying something from him you are very wrong. Those people are usually terribly exploited by gangs which you're supporting with your money.

Well the law is different here and not very enforced. If a cop wanted to he could go into any mall and technically shut down all the Chinese women hawking bogus purses. As society we give the police and courts power to determine which laws to enforce and what their pubishments should be. For example while marijuana remains a schedule I federally most city cops won't even confiscate your weed if say you get pulled over and you're not openly smoking it. In the case of counterfeits only medicines are scrutinized. Unfortunately now the Chinese have wised up and started pushing cheap synethic drugs to corner the market that mimic the different street drugs. That's a big problem here all over from rich areas to rhe poorest because many people young and old are winding up in ers and some even die.

Like I said I don't buy nor sell counterfeits. Im fortunate enough to have a good job and education so I can afford certain luxuries in life. However most people aren't so I'm not going to criticise the Mexican lady at McDonald's for buying a knock off lv if it makes her happy.

Yes, and they often check up months afterwards. A friend had to go to the local Urząd Celny to swear on the record that he had nothing to do with one VAT scam that involved phones that were somehow released into the EU without customs clearance. They wanted to know everything, including details of other electronics that he had bought online.

One thing that I like about Poland is that Customs are very, very thorough.

Pity the Post Office can't be as vigilant with their own staff. I have lost count the number of times I have sent things to Poland and they have gone "missing" en route

you have 'lost count' really? Surely you would just stop sending stuff?

@delphiandomine

From what I've heard, Again hearsay not 100% sure, is the if you order a large amount of items that need to be shipped in a crate or like a car there are three officials that inspect each one. One guy holds a camera recording everything and two guys go throughb everything checking for contraband and making sure that all documents check out, that tax is paid etc.

Poland doesn't mess around with their vat or tax collection in general. Its not worth trying to scam rhebsystem because you'll probably get caught and pay a huge fine.

I wonder though if say a person did go to court paid all their fines and everything is they'd get the item back. In this case its a counterfeit so probably not but I wonder if say it was a normal legit consumer item

Could well be, they don't mess about on the Eastern border with checks, so it's quite possible that they do it like that when stuff is sent by post too. It's common for non-EU goods to get held up for quite a long time at customs.


Usually if it's legally imported, you just need to go and pay the taxes owed and the item is yours. They won't fine you if they catch it, you just need to clear it by filling in the correct paperwork and paying whatever is owed.

Pretty standard in the Western world, but this is cross border. No rights whatsoever when you are outside your home country.

Yeah I'm sure imports into poland customs and post may scrutinize but probably not so much packages being sent around poland.