Gun control in Poland: should Polish people be allowed to own guns?

She would get an sms about the delivery or an in app notification

We have a door cam and a spy hole

People don't "sign for" delivery any more. Half the time it is just hurled over the fence

But anyway most of the population use InPost lockers

Don't you have this stuff in Illinois? You call us morons and yet you live like cavemen.

So the stupid and evasive Polak continues but ignores real breakins. It takes three seconds to break a window and be inside...

But I live on the third floor! Ha...goes the moron...

Yes, moron, but some people live on the first floor, You see... Third floors need floors 1 and 2 to be third...OK?

We lived on the first floor - Armii Ludowej 6 m. 4 - right next to a police station. We were robbed during the day! It was 1956.

Those two windows were ours...

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You probably mean the ground floor ?

People can put window bars

Most don't because this is a safe country

"Most" is an evasive crap. My life is not subject to any statistics. I am the statistic of one.

Do you have life insurance? Why? Most of the days you don't die.

Norman people buy life insurance for that rare day when they do ...

Cops carry guns for that rare day when they really need them to stay alive. I have two at home for that rare day when the other option is begging for my life. No. Thanks. I won't.

The most disgusting man is the one who is powerless while watching his wife being hurt. Nothing is as repulsive...

You are that man.

What are these theoretical home invaders after ?

My wife ?

Surely easier to find a victim in a park or quiet street ?

You talk no sense

@WarSore
Europeans eat bugs now. 🤭 So much for food standards.

The conversation is useless anyways. European governments are very unlikely to ever permit the gun laws the certain states in America have. Once, the government takes away your rights, they are very unlikely to give them back.

Ask them why they break into homes...

They are called ghetto bars here in the U.S.A.

He reads to many tabloids that thrive on sensationalism

Yup, a long time ago but some of us like to provoke for the sake of argument.

Novi for the sake of sanity.
Give it up.
We have heard your daily rants, rinse and repeats so you would have someone to argue with from the get go of this thread that you started almost two years ago.
Please stop unless you have some new material.
You can't make people march to your beat by camping on it.
If the Eurps don't feel a need to own a gun then who the hell is some Polish ex-pat migrant telling them they should.
You can bet they were more happy to see you leave then you were to go.
You want a gun, you got one, so be happy and stfu because we lost this one a long time ago.
We have teased and taunted enough and it is time to let it go.
Thanks for understanding.

THREAD CLOSED

Just imagine that 80% Poles want guns.

Hey, Golden moron, would they get them? Or would the ruling mob say: Screw you. No guns. We know better.

Yes or no?

Wow, I imagine you'd have to be very unlucky to have a home invasion in PRL and during the stalinist period at that lol Did they rape your mother while your father was watching?? Hence your trauma?


Then by your "logic" people shouldn't drive cars, because "car accidents happen" lol


Because their job is often dealing with dangerous/aggressive people. In Poland majority of ordinary people don't have to deal with dangerous/aggressive people on daily basis and so they don't have a need to carry a gun.


That's true. Majority of Poles don't even have house alarms. If home invasions were common enough in Poland then I'm guessing the first logical thing for people to do would be to install those house alarms.

No, a tranny raped his father while his mother watched, hence his drama trauma.

Imagine if women knew their place. They don't thanks to feminism. 80% of Poles would never get guns... and if 80% did want them it already be too late. You vote for this, and you get that. Politicians are all the same, optics and lies.

lol

Listen, I understand trauma. Getting your house broken into is a traumatic experience that can make you feel unsafe, I imagine. But Novichok shouldn't project his traumas onto others.


And what is that "women's place" according to you, a$$hole?


Yes, thanks to feminism we can vote, get an education, work in all kinds of professions, have a bank account, etc. It must be a terrible reality for psychos like you that would prefer to have women as some kind of house slaves o_O

Another uncomfortable fact for people that insist that the period from 1945 to 1991 was one non-stop hell.

How did the socialists manage to virtually eliminate violent crime?

Why did crime explode post-1991?

@Bobko, the answer is simple - communist countries were closed off police states. If even your private phone calls were listened to by the authorities then what did you expect?

...only those who are about to be attacked...

You are a true genius...

Yeah but lets talk some common sense here instead of Rambo tuff guy bullshit.
First of all, is there anything in your house worth anyone dying for ?
Hell no is the correct answer.
Let them take it and let the cops deal with it and if they don't get your items back turn it into your insurance company and collect on your losses.
An inconvenience, yes, worth dying for no.
Life goes on.

They didn't though. For example, they didn't manage to catch "Vampire from Zagłębie" for six years, even though 6 of his victims survived and they even brought to Poland a profiler from the US (can you imagine? lol) to catch him. In total that serial killer murdered 14 women. Women were afraid to leave their homes in the evening:

polskieradio24.pl/artykul/1980915,wampir-z-zaglebia-zbrodnie-ktore-wstrzasnely-polska

In later years of PRL there were also other such "vampires".


Which is rare enough in Poland that people don't feel the need to own a gun.


Exactly, no material thing is worth it.

How does a police state prevent a rape or a burglary?

Do you read what you write?

A more logical response would be:

1) Housing was widely available (even if cramped) - reducing homelessness to near zero.

2) No large ghettos or underclass districts were formed - since the state controlled urban planning tightly

3) Full employment and vocational training. Even if you were some kind of dummy, they would train you how to fix a carburetor or weld a joint.

4) Free and universal education.

5) Limited wealth inequality.

6) Limited access to weapons, except those used for hunting.

7) Strong community ties and sense of social responsibility.

Any evidence that rape and murder were lower in Commie times ? I can't find any numbers and wouldn't believe them if I could given that so many statistics were made up

Theft certainly was lower - nothing worth stealing and impossible to make a quick getaway without either a car or fuel.

Yes I can imagine.

We had a cannibal - Andrei Chikatilo - who killed and ate like 100 women.

We also had the FBI send their special agents.

The idea was that serial killers were a uniquely American phenomenon, that our criminologists just couldn't wrap their heads around. Since it's a completely anomalous crime in Slavic countries.


I have not seen any statistics, but this is something that everyone seems to believe is true based on empirical/anecdotal evidence.

@Bobko, well, of course when people were losing jobs and borders were suddenly open (and police not ready for it and underfunded), etc. like it happened in the 90's then crime would increase.

That was a transitional period between two completely different political and economical systems though.

Nowadays despite Poland being non-communist we have:

- no large ghettos or underclass districts. I guess you could say that parts of cities with social housing are not the best place to live because of some patologia living there - but at least people do get that social housing;

- low unemployment and help with finding a job;

- free and universal education;

- limited wealth inequality;

- limited access to weapons, except those used for hunting, sport, etc.


Yeah, that's the problem - communist states were supposed to be perfect countries with no crime, no problems, etc. The propaganda was strong.


My thoughts exactly lol And those were different times - how many women would report rape back then?


The only thing I've heard really was that people were often not afraid to do hitch-hiking with complete strangers. But how much stuff was on the news back then? We have better access to information now and people are more conscious, imho.

And anyway, not that many people had cars back then so hitch-hiking made sense lol Almost everyone has a car now.

What I heard and to some extent still experienced, though born at the very tail end:

1) People did not lock their doors

2) Kids were free to do whatever they wanted from 14:00 until 23:00. Nobody was worried that somebody would kidnap them or molest them.

3) You could forget your wallet at the theater, and it would be waiting for you the next day at the Lost & Found.

4) Men that were strangers would randomly intervene in the street to stop domestic violence or abuse of underaged persons. Contrast that to the present day - where everyone averts their gaze and keeps walking.

...who raped and murdered your sisters and you first...

Oops...I am so sorry...I forgot that no woman we ever raped and murdered in Poland before we started this conversation...so it's all hypothetical...

Are all Polaks that stupid or just those few who post here to annoy people with a normal instinct of self-preservation.

Hey, Golden Moron, if 70% of Poles wanted guns, would they get Polish gun laws changed to make it possible?

It's a yes - no question so take your evasive shlt and...shove it...

Since you are a slimy weasel, I will answer my own question.

No fvcking way!!!! Never!!! Never free a slave without a bloody revolution...It could be 99% and the answer is still big fat NO!!!!!

Why? Because all Euro states are dictatorial while pretending to be "democracies".

@Novichok, no woman is raped and murdered in broad daylight in the middle of the city in Poland. That's very rare to happen even at night in some more desolate locations.

Do you yourself carry your gun everywhere you go outside and inside the house? Do your daughters and granddaughters do that?


No such thing in PRL.


Because parents were stupid (or unaware of all kinds of things) back then. I'm talking from experience.


And that changed how?


Never heard of such a thing in Poland.

My mom did not close the door well into the 90s. So much so, that I was not in the habit of carrying keys, and would often get locked out if she did decide to lock it for some reason before visiting her friends or going out on some chores.

I could also walk into my friend's homes, and ask their moms to feed me or give me tea - and this was totally normal. I think now if someone's kid shows up somewhere randomly asking for food, that would result in a very dramatic call to his parents.


Explain.


In modern Moscow you would be lucky to have your wallet back in 24 hours, fully intact.


I find this hard to believe. Even me and my friends have done several of these "street consultations" with guys that get very "handsy" with their girls, or some retarded shopkeeper that gives a kid hell for some small crime.

Where the fvck did I say "broad daylight"?

How about narrow nightlight?

What a moron...

You cannot compare Poland to the US. Poland is a much different country. People / neighbors know each other and watch their neighborhoods. While in the US a gun may be necessary to have for home protection, in Poland it's not a must. With today's technology, a criminal is very likely to get caught. Cameras are everywhere. It's not 1980-ties any more.

Everyone was closing the doors in our block of flats in the 90s. I remember going back home and having to sit on the floor next to the door waiting for one of my parents to come back from work.


These things weren't talked about back then.


I'm telling you what I know.


That's when most people go about their lives. As for evening and night - in Poland you're most likely to be safe even then. Of course, you should take reasonable precautions - like in any country.