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Will Digital Services Act (DSA) Be The End of PF?


AntV  4 | 735
1 day ago   #1
If I'm understanding the EU's DSA correctly, any ISP that allows vaguely defined hate speech and/or misinformation could face significant fines.

I wonder how this will affect PF. Even though PF is an American board housed in American servers, accessing it from EU ISPs may be prohibited.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12249
1 day ago   #2
...hmm....I'm no expert but as I read and understand it (in german) PF should get a warning first but it should anyhow neither fall into the target group nor is it big enough.

...When online platforms decide to remove content, they must now provide all affected users with information called an "explanation of reasons," explaining why that content was removed or restricted....

Here a translation of an important part:

....The Digital Services Act (DSA) applies to all online intermediaries and platforms in the EU, such as online marketplaces, social networks, content-sharing platforms, app stores, and online travel and accommodation platforms.

Small and micro-enterprises are exempt from some rules that may be more burdensome for them. The Commission will carefully monitor the impact of the new regulation on SMEs.

Very large online platforms and search engines (VLOPs and VLOSEs) have additional obligations....

digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/de/faqs/digital-services-act-questions-and-answers

....and this:

...The new rules include an EU-wide framework for detecting, labeling, and removing illegal content, as well as new risk assessment obligations for very large online platforms and search engines to determine how illegal content spreads on their services.

What constitutes illegal content is defined in other laws, either at EU or national level-for example, terrorist content, child sexual abuse material, or illegal hate speech at EU level. If content is illegal only in a specific Member State, it should generally only be removed in the territory where it is illegal....

*shrugs*
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12249
1 day ago   #3
....abit scary is the part of the "trusted whistleblower", after all someone has to search and find the culprits:

....Trusted whistleblowers have specific expertise and competence in detecting, identifying, and reporting illegal content and are independent of online platforms. Online platforms must ensure that reports submitted by trusted whistleblowers are prioritized and processed in a timely manner....

Now that is a recipe for a disaster if there ever was one....and could (will) get easily out of hand.

Todays expert whistleblower will be tomorrows bribed/paid/political adversary/economical rival informer!

I guess the only way to stop that is when the maker of this whole bruhaha get kicked out and these things end again in the garbage can!

But, to come back to your question, Anti....I doubt that PF fits any of these categories!
Novichok  7 | 9880
1 day ago   #4
the EU's DSA

Memo to EU DSA:

Go fvck yourself, you stupid fascists...

Here, in the land of the free, we protect hate speech, morons...Like:

I hate Muslim migrants.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12249
1 day ago   #5
I hate Muslim migrants.

I dunno Novi...".I hate Islam" or "I don't like Muslims" or "muslim Immigrants are the worst"...has gone through german fora in the thousands if not millions by now....I know of nobody getting punished for it (till yet...and that would really had made the news by now)....I guess that would be a fight against windmills for this DSA...not even "whistleblower" needed, heh:)

....not at last the current gov party, the CDU, plans even contacts with the Taliban to get the criminal Afghans out of the country....that wasn't possible till now....so the mood is definitely not pro muslim-coddling!
OP AntV  4 | 735
1 day ago   #6
But, to come back to your question, Anti....I doubt that PF fits any of these categories

Wouldn't be the platform (the ISP or something of that sort) that would get the warning, not PF? In other words the ISP would just block PF so as not to deal with the headache of the government regulators?

Now that is a recipe for a disaster if there ever was one....and could (will) get easily out of hand.

Absolutely! This kind of stuff gives me the shivers. It's tyranny thinly disguised as responsible guardians of the good. Of course, it's the tyrants defining what is good.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12249
1 day ago   #7
Wouldn't be the platform (the ISP or something of that sort) that would get the warning, not PF?

....thats the thing, I guess. We are seeing this DSA from the perspective of a social media....a talking platform, but the most what I read about it is about business, economy, something like faulty/lying ads and against pedophiles. I doubt they have some talking corner like PF even on the radar!

The big platforms like X or Meta or only mentioned with the same sentence as "...there are special laws"....not to mention that these are not seated in the EU!!!

Just lets see whats happens....before there is only guessing possible. And till now I can only one case remember....a german user insulted a german politician and this politician made use of his law to start a law case and then the police came and this whole got run in all german media and the police didn't came out looking good in this. The comparisens to a dictatorship where there and made freely....since then, nothing!

n-tv.de/politik/Habeck-auf-X-beleidigt-Polizei-durchsucht-Haus-article25365529.html

....besides this politicians party lost big in the last elections and this politician isn't a politician anymore....so....
OP AntV  4 | 735
1 day ago   #8
Just lets see whats happens

OK. 😐
Novichok  7 | 9880
1 day ago   #9
It's tyranny thinly disguised as responsible guardians of the good.

The best way to make bootlickers to accept anything...however evil...Covid lockdowns, global warming, affirmative action, reparations, trans freaks...

When I was planning to leave Poland, a voice from above said: Son, run and don't stop until you see the Statue of Liberty...
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12249
1 day ago   #10
....I will keep my ears and eyes open!!! 🧐
Novichok  7 | 9880
1 day ago   #11
I doubt they have some talking corner like PF even on the radar!

The size should not matter. The very existence of DSA and any references to "hate speech" tells me that the system is inherently oppressive.

Just because a small player is way down on the go-get-them list does not make that system less sick.

Memo to America:

I love you.
Tlum  12 | 344
1 day ago   #12
I believe it is wiser to consider how to elect free and intelligent individuals to govern your society. When tyranny imposes laws that infringe on freedom of speech, free people should think about how to change that. Perfect slaves only consider how such changes will impact them.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12249
1 day ago   #13
and any references to "hate speech" tells me that the system is inherently oppressive.

Agreed!

With my growing up in the GDR I get goosebumps....and Germany has been on that dark path for a few years now....diffaming arguments as "hate and agitation" to ignore them, calling political adversaries "Nazis" to not having to speak with them....now calling to denunciate "hate speech", whatever that is...

But....the big but....if it is really meant politically to keep the adversaries small then its a big shot into the own foot. Those parties and people who really call for it are losing...losing steadily and losing big! That way gets them nowhere! So my guess is it won't age well...

On the other hand, if its really meant and used for/against example lying ads, children abuser or islamist terrorists....why not!
Novichok  7 | 9880
1 day ago   #14
If I were the US president, I would give the EU a week to copy the First and the Second Amendments or you are on your own. Bye NATO...

We shouldn't spend a dime defending tyrannies - soft or hard - where citizens don't have the right speak freely and defend themselves.

Giving everybody a free smartphone to call the police is not good enough. By the time they come, you are dead.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12249
1 day ago   #15
Bye NATO...

Hmmm....dangerous!

Many if not most leftists are anti-american by nature...now with Trump on the helm even more so.....they would not protest, and save lotsa money.

The rest of us, the majority, who loves the US and still wants to be an ally would be left out in the cold! An easy leftists win....
Novichok  7 | 9880
1 day ago   #16
The rest of us, the majority, who love the US and still wants to be an ally would be left out in the cold!

I would personally give you the right to come here as soon as you are ready and be a citizen the same day.

Then you, Bobko, and I would have lunch in NY.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12249
1 day ago   #17
....now....thank you....but its not that bad here yet! :)
Alien  28 | 7139
1 day ago   #18
Will Digital Services......
Certainly not, but it will make people more careful about what they write.
Joker  2 | 2504
1 day ago   #19
Certainly not, but it will make people more careful about what they write.

Not Americans, we will continue to write whatever we want bc we have freedom speech.

Its big brother policing you europeans, just as Orwell predicted.
Novichok  7 | 9880
16 hrs ago   #20
Not Americans,

The First Amendment:

Don't be a bootlicking trembling Euro weasel. Hate all you want.


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