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Help with female clergy titles or forms of address in polish?


Korvinus  2 | 577
4 Nov 2024   #31
Ah for God's sake - you don't literally believe that God took a rib from Adam's side etc, do you??

Adam was made to glorify God, Eve was made to gratify Adam. That she is also a secondary creation hammers this point home further
jon357  73 | 23221
4 Nov 2024   #32
women were made in the image of men

Or the opposite.

This is why all proper churches, even heathen ones, don't have female priests.

Plenty do.

Proper religious instruction therefore can only proceed from God through men to women.

It 'proceeds' from people to people.
Atch  24 | 4329
4 Nov 2024   #33
Adam was made to glorify God, Eve was made to gratify Adam.

Jesus never said that.
Korvinus  2 | 577
4 Nov 2024   #34
Jesus never said

Genesis 2:18-24 And the LORD God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him."

Eve represents the soul which "trapped" the spirit, which is Adam, and dragged it away from God, the "fall" being nothing but the development of the individual ego. Mary and Jesus sort of represent the redemption of both. Mary is Maya in her ascending rather than descending aspect. She is a manifestation of universal, pure substance where as Eve was a manifestation of separation and possibility. As for Jesus, he is Adam restored to his original unity with God, a unity which precedes even his being "made" in the image of God and hence admits of no separation at all, hence why Christ IS God. Jesus is nothing other than the essence of God reflected into pure universal substance, like a ray of light refracted by a perfect crystal, and projected into Being.
Atch  24 | 4329
4 Nov 2024   #35
A helpmate is not a source of gratification, nor a secondary creation. It is a partner.

But never mind the Old Testament. The word of God as given to us by Jesus, supercedes the Old Testament. Jesus had to come into the world for a reason, one of those reasons, being the corruption of God's word by man.

Now back to the nuns - are you saying that nuns are not to be allowed to give religious instruction?
jon357  73 | 23221
4 Nov 2024   #36
Mary is Maya in her ascending rather than descending aspect. She is a manifestation of universal, pure substance

Insider know you were a Gnostic Syncretist..

You should be fine with female clergy though.
Korvinus  2 | 577
4 Nov 2024   #37
You should be fine with female clergy though.

Scripture plainly states that women need to be in submission, be silent and listen to men doing all the teaching.

It is only MEN who are supposed to be part of clergy.
Apart from that obvious fact, woman leading a sermon is utterly cringey.
mafketis  38 | 11076
4 Nov 2024   #38
Scripture plainly states

Since when do Catholics care about scripture? That's a protestant thing....
Atch  24 | 4329
4 Nov 2024   #39
women need to be in submission, be silent

Jesus never said that. The only part of scripture that matters is the Four Gospels.
Since when do Catholics care about scripture?

Quite right. We generally don't. Although my mother went to an Ursuline boarding school and she knew the Bible inside out. I wouldn't call Korvinus a Catholic.
jon357  73 | 23221
4 Nov 2024   #40
Scripture plainly states that women need to be in submission

And at the time they were written, that meant good order in society. No European with an IQ out of double figures thinks that today, nor should it be considered a rule for life.

It's all in the interpretation. Living, word for word, according to a set of instructions given to Iron Age Greek communities by their religious leader without thinking that the context we live in today differs from the lives of the intended recipients of those letters is just so upside down.

Now go forth and multiply, and don't forget to render a burnt offering at the holy of holies.

It is only MEN who are supposed to be part of clergy

Why?
Atch  24 | 4329
4 Nov 2024   #41
And if Korvinus does indeed believe in the divinity of Jesus, then he should note how Jesus treated women, many of whom were his Disciples. And the first person Jesus appeared to after his resurrection was - a WOMAN!!
Ironside  50 | 12405
4 Nov 2024   #42
a WOMAN!!

For a practical reason, HE could be assured their gossip would spread like a bushfire.
Atch  24 | 4329
4 Nov 2024   #43
And that the men would be too stupid to believe her :) in fact, they were so daft that they didn't even recognise him when they met him on the road.
Korvinus  2 | 577
4 Nov 2024   #44
St Paul said that women shouldn't say a word in church.
pawian  221 | 25643
4 Nov 2024   #45
St Paul

Fekk him, then!!!! hahahaha Fekk anybody who discriminates against women!
Korvinus  2 | 577
4 Nov 2024   #46
St. Paul was moved by the Holy Ghost when writing his letters and had an encounter with Jesus Christ. And at any rate, traditional gender roles are insisted upon through the whole Bible, St. Paul didn't add anything new.
pawian  221 | 25643
4 Nov 2024   #47
St. Paul didn't add anything new.

But Jesus is still overwhelmingly superior to that Paul azhole. That is why we don`t care what Paul dupek said about women.
Ironside  50 | 12405
4 Nov 2024   #48
And that the men would be too stupid to believe her :

Not without reasons.
Atch  24 | 4329
5 Nov 2024   #49
St Paul said that women shouldn't say a word in church.

St Paul is not God. Incidentally, regarding your nonsense about women being less or secondary to men, I remember a priest on retreat when I was at school saying that in the Old Testament account of the creation of man and woman, it should be noted that God took a rib from Adam's side, not from his hand/arm or foot/leg, which might suggest dominance. He took it from Adam's side, indicating equality. Equal partners to navigate life side by side, helping each other.

Do you believe in the Holy Trinity? Do you believe that Jesus was God? If so, then take note of his treatment of women. You have more in common with the Pharisees than you have with Jesus.

You still haven't addressed the issue of nuns. Why are you avoiding it?
Korvinus  2 | 577
5 Nov 2024   #50
Btw what about nuns?


Atch  24 | 4329
5 Nov 2024   #51
I really have no idea what point that silly, vulgar graphic is supposed to illustrate. I take it you're unable to give a coherent answer to a fair question.
mafketis  38 | 11076
5 Nov 2024   #53
I really have no idea what point that silly, vulgar graphic is supposed to illustrate.

I think it's the idea that 'all women are uuhores...
Atch  24 | 4329
5 Nov 2024   #54
St. Paul said that women shouldn't say a word in church. .

Well now, I'm no expert on St Paul except for hearing his letters to this and that the other group being read during Mass. However, I thought to myself, now I bet that the ignorant and the unscrupulous have twisted, stretched or otherwise corrupted his words for their own ends - and lo and behold, what did I discover?

Well it seems that of the thirteen letters attributed to him, seven are believed to be genuine and the remaining six are disputed, including the one that tells women to be silent. However, even if it were a genuine Pauline letter, it refers specifically to the women of the group he is addressing, a number of whom were apparently causing doctrinal confusion with their own interpretation.

On the other hand, in the authentic Pauline letters, he sings the praises of his female associates for whom he quite obviously has the greatest respect. I dipped into these letters and specific women are named and praised for their work in spreading the teachings of Christ, and are described as co-workers, leaders, teachers and servants of the church. They are clearly involved in evangelizing and missionary work.

Let's just say that you if you're such a devotee of St Paul you ought to do a bit more reading about him - or else stop telling porkies to fit your own warped agenda. Oh, and I don't think he'd be too impressed with your nun picture.

I think it's the idea that 'all women are uuhores...

Basically, not capable of engaging in a debate with an intelligent woman, so resorts to childish vulgarity. Thanks for your input, Maf :) careful of those streetcars now!


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