Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


Why even ask such a profoundly stupid question?
But to answer it, the very foundation of the church is SUPPOSED TO BE based on the love, selflessness, compassion, sharing and forgiveness, NOT luxury.

You are right, it is no more horrible than politicians and corporate executives making bank on lies and false promises but if those people are who you have to look for to make your comparisons then it's fair to say the church is in need of a shake up. FFS even the Pope has that kind of thing on his hit list, or does the RCC in Poland now follow its own rules now that the Pope wants to purge corruption and greed from the church?

Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]


Oh dear, a lot of you get so offended when someone says something other than "Polska jest najlepsza." Don't read it if it bothers you so much. We're just having fun sharing some observations that believe it or not actually occur.


"Fact...If"
I've heard Poles say the exact same things so put away your toy guns because no one's attacking you. If you are that offended by the content of this thread it's likely you who has poor depth perception and bumbles into everyone. Now keep your head up and watch where you're going because you've obviously wandered in to the wrong thread.

Now BLS, back to the story; give us the whole story. Tell us all the gritty details man; )

Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]

No way man, I re-neg, I re-neg!
Seriously though was this broad lookin straight ahead and chose not to see others or was she lookin around and kind of not lookin very oriented (you know how ladies do that from time to time)?

If she was headed straight for you and had no excuse not to see you then I still have to side with you on this but if she was distracted then we gots to investigate this further and dare I say, you may have been out of order sir.

Details man! Details!
Take us back there, take us back to the scene of this encounter that some Poles would describe as malicious and others would describe as warranted. Were you justified in not making some extra effort to get out of her way? Was an extra effort required? Was this part of a long-term socialization process you've hatched on the unsuspecting Poles? What exactly were your motives and have they changed?

Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]

Well in that case I completely apologize.
They both should have been watching where they were going.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

To continue on the same line as f stop, here's something else that sheds some light on this issue (U.S. based):
youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8EK6Y1X_xa4

Thoughts?

Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]


As far as I understood it, that isn't the case.
However I am interested in how the majority of Polish posters have interpreted this little scenario. I feel like I'm on the verge of finally understanding some of you.

The way I see it (forgive me as I wasn't involved in this one but I have had a similar experience) is this:
If you (Lenka) are standing still and not in an entrance way or otherwise being obstructive and another person (BLS) is walking then it's that other person's job to avoid walking in to you or anyone else.

Do you see that differently?


For the last time, as I understood the story:
He
Was
Not
Moving.

When you're moving, you have to look around at where you're going and where you're not. Does that really seem fundamentally wrong to you?

Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]


It wasn't. Each time I made a noticeable effort to get out his way, he made a deliberate effort to get in my way. When I gave him my "wtf" hand gesture, he did the same thing.

You asked how it ended.
Play stupid games and win stupid prizes- I haven't seen him since.


So we're in agreement then? Fabulous: ) I was starting to wonder if there truly was a segment of the population here that supported such behavior.


Oh gawd, tell me about it.
On the plus side one thing I noticed is that Londoners do not tolerate queue jumping. I'd like to see more of that here but of course not at the expense of the other benefits that exist here. I like how Poles tend not to put their noses in other people's business. Often I feel there's a real "live and let live" attitude here. However there's something like 1/8 individuals that in my honest opinion just seems to have a real "screw you" attitude to everyone else and I am perplexed that so many not only condone it but defend it.


No excuse for that and no good can come of making way for such people.
One shouldn't drive, ski, box, play football, go biking, play hockey or even ski without taking a look around. Of course the upside of your method is she'll get used to it and eventually get herself killed but she may take other mother's children with her as well. So we will have to agree to disagree on this I'm afraid as I cannot condone venturing out into public without regard for those around you.

You and Grzegorz should be applauding BLS and his efforts, who knows he may have given her the reminder she needed that will one day prevent her from walking into you and spilling her drink all over you before one of your appointments. You should be thanking him.


How did you get that interpretation?
My interpretation is that he was well within his right to use an English saying: Watch where you're going.
Is there anything similar in Polish?

Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]

Oh and it was likely your grandpa too. Sadly, I think everyone here would agree you've fallen well short of his standard: )

Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]

Well Magdalena, I could tell you many a thing but based on the above two statements, I put my own words at risk of your interpretation. And on my behalf no less!

Thank you, but I decline your offer: )
The words "appear" and "seem," at least in my usage of them, are not meant to be polite. I use those words to be specific. It's how I communicate "here's what it looks like from my perspective" in writing; not "This is a fact."

The quotes you took from me are a bit out of context - that reads like an emotional and knee-jerk reaction to any criticism of anything Polish by anyone who's not Polish.

If someone steps out into public but can't be bothered to take stock of those and the situation around them then that is in fact a sad indicator on that individual- why would you feel compelled to run to their defense on that? Is it okay for one Pole to walk to the front of a queue just because they feel like it? Is it okay for me and the rest of those in the queue (presumably Poles) to set the guy straight? Is it okay with you if I do that on my own or do I have to wait for the locals to stand up for themselves before I'm allowed to as well?

I doubt you spend your time bumbling around walking into elevators before anyone gets off; pushing your way through the people leaving buses and trams instead of politely waiting for them to get off; running on the left side of the pavement, constantly disrupting the flow of cyclists and groups (despite the fact the VAST majority are traveling on the right); or walking around chatting on your phone, so engaged in the conversation that you can't be bothered to notice what your eyes are seeing. Those habits are simply rude and there's no excusing them. So why are you?

I agree with BLS, while not avoiding the collision, he simply chose not to avoid what the other person was doing. And no Grzegorz, that will likely not result in violence, a real man will tell his woman to watch where she's going or guide her through the crowd in the first place.

Here's an example, I was running along a footpath through the forest. I saw an old guy walking with those Nordic sticks coming the same direction. I moved more to my right to give him as much path as I could. He immediately responded by moving to his left so once again he was coming right for me. I thought "whatever" and then moved off the path and continued jogging on the grass even further to my right. He then proceeded to move on to the grass to his left once again bringing us into opposition. I slowed up a bit and was a bit perplexed so I gave the universal body language that says "what do you want from me." The guy then does the exact same thing and keeps coming at me only faster....Now please tell me how you would interpret that.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


To be completely blunt, you seem like the sort of chap who would argue a great many thing with no practical experience. I presume this to be one of them.

Adieu.


You are probably correct.


You have my complete agreement here. That being said, it is time for some of these career feminists to look at men's roles in the work force with the same level of objectivity

they are "encouraging" men to do for women.


This isn't the thread for it but I couldn't agree less.

Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]


Where did I write anything about a rule?


I don't know what the custom is in every state but it's none of my concern.
When in Rome?
That's exactly my point, there's always a few too many people here who just can't seem to do that.
Case in point:
A footpath through the forest accommodates cyclists and pedestrians. In such an environment, the majority, in every country I've been to, establish some kind of norm. Same thing with swimming lanes, a norm of travel is established. In Poland though, there's like 20% of the population who just can not get with the program and are rather obstinate about it.

The world needs dissidents and perhaps these are yours but to me it just seems like too many Poles don't seem to grasp the concept of social contract (as referred to by another poster).


Less time than it took you to come up with your question; )

Magda, I'll think of something to write you. I want to make sure my recollection of events is accurate.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

Yeah dude, it's pretty f-in easy on a farm or working on an oil rig or in a metal fabrication shop or with heavy machinery or hydraulics in general. There are tons of jobs in which a guy's head could easily be sheared off his neck with a little complacency on the job.

Lots of guys choose to do that kind of work and lots don't.
Don't kid yourself that everyone wants a cushy job a lot of people find value in physically demanding jobs.

Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]


You go ahead and do that but I doubt you'd find them patronizing if you heard other Poles say these same things. You really think other Poles are that oblivious to such people?


Likewise I could ask if it's ever occurred to you that is precisely what I am curious about?
I beg of you to be objective. If you carefully read my posts you'll see a very deliberate use of the word "seem" or "appear." The point of using that language was to make it clear that I am trying to provide the benefit of the doubt.

If it's unclear in my posts then let me assure you I'm still holding out hope that I will understand the reasons for what I perceive to be a lack of courtesy and consideration that seems to be come out in odd and unexpected ways here among some segments of the population.

If you don't know what I'm talking about then I'll give you an example and you can educate all the foreigners on how they're interpreting things incorrectly...that's a far cry better than posting quotes out of context and getting your feathers ruffled for no real reason.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


Your logic never needed any twisting. I merely held up a mirror for you to behold.


Your point doesn't actually support what you've just written.
Most men don't give prostitutes the credit they deserve because we've no experience with them. That and if we could, a lot of men would do this job.

The fact of the matter is most western women do not actively seek out jobs in which not keeping your head on a swivel in your daily routine will get you:

- blinded
- suffocated
- burnt alive
- burnt badly
- minus one or more appendages
- hard of hearing in 15 years or more
- electrocuted
- shocked
- dec apitated
- poisoned
- mulched
- ground up
- falling to the ground about to receive impact trauma

I hope no one's saying women don't do dangerous jobs. That being said, the Western woman is quite often a sheltered creature with little concept of what dirty and dangerous work really is. Why is anyone pretending otherwise?

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

If men could prostitute themselves for the money women can then you'd have A LOT of male prostitutes. It's not that men don't choose that profession, it's that the demand isn't there.


So you think the average commercial passenger flight is no safer than a fire which requires firefighters?

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


I would suggest that is an example which in no way shape or form really addresses the point which was made earlier.
If you want to take the conversation that route then you'll find "choice" is entirely absent in your pretentious and self-righteous response. His point is that women frequently don't choose dirty and dangerous jobs. If you don't know what those are then you likely have little to no experience with the kind of jobs he meant.

Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]


Of course it does darling. Of course it does.
If it doesn't change one's perception of that factor then one doesn't really understand the principal behind his actions.
Once one is able to do that then it becomes hard to say he was rude. On the contrary; he may have provided her with a timely reminder on keeping her head up.

Just think, if it wasn't for him she might have careened off the platform, splayed onto the tracks with blood trickling from horrible head wound. All that was averted thanks to his diligent observance.

You should be applauding him for saving her life!

Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]


You see that's where some people don't see it that way. The idea being that if one cannot look to see where one is going then don't cry foul when people don't step out of your way. This applies to driving as well.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


Oh heaven's no, it's not about that for a good many of the women there.
It's about the women organizing and heading these things to grab power and influence for themselves. That they hitch themselves to this cause is merely a means to an end.


I think Bill Burr said the same thing...of course his delivery is what makes it funny.

Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]

I know I learned some lessons that way; )

To be completely honest though, I do very similar things, I will avoid getting out of someone's way to the extent they attempt not to get in my way. After watching enough videos on Russian drivers, I'm wondering if there isn't something going on with peripheral vision among Slavic people.

On a somewhat contradictory and related point: one of my colleagues told me he's asked a few of the co-workers in his department if they are self-observant/self-critical. They laughed at the idea that anyone would even question one's own actions.

It would explain the "my sh*t don't stink" attitude I've seen among a segment of the population where I live. There's a combination of things at play with different people but this is all a digression.

Suffice to say, the approach towards conducting oneself in public seems to be different here in many ways and that's just how it is.

Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]


I've done very similar tests over many years here. This behavior puzzles me and I just don't know or don't understand where it comes from. But there is a sizeable portion of the population here that do NOT in anyway shape or demonstrable form seem to take others into account when they do their thing -really unfit people for a healthy society imo.

One part of me realizes that inconsideration and a lack of awareness of those around you IS a bad indicator on a person but on the other hand that seems to be a constant here so there must be a good reason for it.

I really don't know if people here actually like that kind of behavior but why would they? Perhaps, Poles consider it beneath them to react to the plethora of inconsideration, boorishness and general dipsh*tery that goes on display in Polish society.

From a societal and psychological perspective, I find the phenomenon fascinating from a perspective of "How-much-dysfunction can a society tolerate?"

Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]

^ It's almost like there's a different culture or something here....

that being said, people taking the p*ss are doing just that and why people tolerate that is one of those things that I just haven't worked out yet. Oh well.

News / Footie hooligan punch-up thwarted in Poland [47]

I've been telling some of the guys in my area for years to get this going but have come to accept that the strategic thinking of most of the people here is 2 years maximum...if no one can guarantee someone they'll be the next Jan Kulczyk in that time then it's not going to happen:/

But I've worked out a lot of things that would have to happen for it to be stable and profitable.the point though isn't who does it but that it gets done and it actually produces some benefit to offset the costs these brawls have on society in general.

News / Footie hooligan punch-up thwarted in Poland [47]

yeah, like if they had a league then it could actually produce revenue.
Fcuk it, some c-unt should start a hooligans league in Poland, if any revenue was produced then there'd be some awesome franchise options available in the future. At least in that way their actions would benefit them as well as others -win, win scenario imo.

Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]

You are correct...unfortunately.
Poles, or at least a good many of them, seem to genuinely thrive on creating as much disorder and disarray as possible within any and all situations.

There's always a few retards who can't seem to work out the workings of a foot path in the park -majority travel on the right? Well I guess that's their queue to travel on their left.

You gotta pick your battles with these kind of things but it sounds like you did well.

News / Footie hooligan punch-up thwarted in Poland [47]

I'm glad to see that no one got hurt that day but even this is still a reaction to a symptom of a much deeper social problem.

If the national and municipal governments invested money that people currently pay in taxes on things like, oh I don't know...culture, parks, recreation, infrastructure and education then these events would attract fewer participants.

UK, Ireland / Scots better than Poles? [41]

I think I read somewhere, the kilt, in one form or another, was introduced into Scotland via present day Ireland. Anyone else hear something similar?

Work / Teaching English in Poland (Poznan) with my TEFL Cert degree [14]

Everything DominicB has written is correct.

Love / ARE POLISH GIRLS GOLD-DIGGERS? [359]


this observation is not something I can discredit. Thanks for the wake up call.

UK, Ireland / Scots better than Poles? [41]


This ought to be rephrased as "Scottish society has apparently contributed more to world civilization in terms of literature and inventions (culture and personalities? wtf does that mean?) than Polish society.

So what if it's true? So what if it's false?
There's really too much misplaced pride and shame in the deeds of others these days.
There's nothing wrong with promoting a national identity but please find one other than "who's better than us?"