Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


Oh yes, my good fellow! Zooming around a race track in a vehicle doing 300 km/hr is so much like parking in a confined urban setting that I'm surprised no one except you has seen that correlation. Splendid!


Generations of conditioning led (past tense) girls and women to believe certain things that I'm not going to pretend I know.
This used to be reinforced by laws that have simply changed.
In any situation there will be someone who is more capable and someone who is less capable. We've all been on both sides of that ratio and that's called life so suck it up and quit feeling sorry for people who don't give a damn about you and need to learn what they can and can't do like the rest of us. The problem is you seem to actually view women as inferior to you and therefore dependent on you to somehow right all the compounded wrongs of the past. You see yourself as a white knight and feminists just see you as a sucker.


Feminism has changed that.
They wanted equality in the work force? Well now they can do just about anything they want if they can make the standards.
What if they can't make the standards? That's fine, if you're a woman they won't lower the standards for you, they'll "change" them.

They wanted equality in courts. Things are so good now, they're more equal in the courts than you or I will be based on gender and nothing more. You hear them rioting about that very often?

They wanted equality in sports. Well now things are so equal that in some places that if not enough girls are interested in a sport then the boys aren't allowed to do the sport either. You think that's fair?

They wanted equal pay. They got it.
They wanted equality in schools. They got it.
The fatal diseases women can only get are given prominence whereas the fatal diseases men can only get are ignored by comparison.
So where is this inequality that women are suffering in Western countries?
How is it any worse than the inequality suffered by men there?

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]


Yeah Ziemovit mentioned the dual nature of multiculturalism in the Netherlands. Has the stability and progress of the Netherlands increased due to it? I don't know, it's possible.

Switzerland? Are you 100% sure about that?

Canada and Britain? Having lived in both countries I can safely say the more multi-ethnic the area, the less safe it is. The effects of multiculturalism in both those countries seems to have benefited society in some areas but weakened those societies in other ways. I'm not sure the benefit/cost ratio works out well for either case.

Singapore and Australia?
I know nothing about Singapore and have heard Australians give mixed reviews from glowing to scathing.


If I say that multi-ethnic communities and societies benefit the locals less and then you provide a mechanism/explanation (one I'm not sure I buy into) for why that is then you've just agreed with me.

New questions:
How many stable societies have been built on multiculturalism?
How many countries have become multicultural because of the stability that was already established?

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


Well society hasn't done that in this instance so what's your problem?


I don't agree with your conclusion to the scenario at all. Those are two possible outcomes for some people but you're really assuming many women are weak-willed underachievers with your attitude.


So your solution to the parking problem in Triburg would be to celebrate female race car drivers? How would that address the problem they were experiencing?


Well if you're Polish then I'll take one of those to describe your driving but not two;)

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


No he isn't- It's not a message that young girls are in a position to receive and no amount of pretending to be offended will change that.

It's not insulting to you because you're not a woman in that city so park your indignation, make it safe and turn off the ignition.

Did you ever consider that perhaps the women who wouldn't or couldn't park properly actually are to blame for this?

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]


A fair answer but I think you haven't really analyzed things thoroughly.
I'd say at the beginning of the U.S. as a nation of people, the ethnicities were different but the cultural practices were very similar. There was a unity that was able to survive a civil war and grow the greatest industrial nation history has identified but it wasn't due to multi-culturalism.

However, in more recent times, the more multi-ethnic and multi-cultural U.S. society becomes, the worse it gets for the citizenry.

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]

Polish people need more reasons to stay in Poland and become prosperous in Poland. For the size of the country 35 million people is more than enough a population to make this place a paradise.

My question is where is the demand for immigrants coming from? Is it coming from Polish people who just can't get enough Asian cuisine, language,...? Or is it coming from business owners who can get these people to work for EVEN less?

Or is there some other source of demand for Asians and Africans in Poland that I'm not aware of?


Correct.
Can someone please tell me the last multi-cultural and multi-ethnic country that succeeded in peace and prosperity for many generations?
It just doesn't look like a winning formula and certainly not for Polish society.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

So we can take your anecdote and extrapolate that to mean all German women drive like Steve F'n McQueen....or we can take the word of the German mayor who noticed there sure were a lot of accidents in Triburg parking bays that were caused by women. Seeing as we've already figured out that men have a higher spatial capacity than women, this isn't a stretch.


Young girls shouldn't be operating a motor vehicle in the circumstances you are imagining therefore it is premature to worry about the message being sent to young girls as a consequence of gender specific parking bays. But this is what the "politically correct" do, they cry about being offended and think that's enough.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


That's a shame because the woman who makes the case does so very eloquently yet still in a straightforward manner. You're doing yourself a disservice by ignoring it.


Okay but I think we can still all agree that the "husband & wife + children = makings of a stable family" is rather tried and true formula and it's got a few thousand years behind it.


They can talk all they want but if they say they want equality and then show that what they really want is inequality then they are liars.

History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]

2 reasons according to the nearest Pole I just asked:
1) Russians are less successful financially so it's easier to like them.
2) Something very similar to racism.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


No one has admitted as much but even you can probably discern that this is common place among special interest group sympathizers. If you've never considered that then you owe it to yourself to pay closer attention.


A big negative on that one Barney.
No, in no way shape or form has it been my preference that women have traditionally and successfully raised children among the humans over human history. That's nature at work and if you don't believe me then try observing most of the other species we share the planet with. It's one of those things that you should be smart enough not to argue. Now you may be correct in that men and women haven't lived together as husband and wife for that long at all but unless you're suggesting there's a more effective and efficient family unit for society than the nuclear family then so what?


The question at this point is if you're capable of accepting any criticism of feminism. I posted a very good presentation that's roughly half an hour long by Prof. Sommers in which she describes the War Against Boys being waged by society at the behest of selfish and short-sighted feminists:

youtube.com/watch?v=cqOTj9NDv80
Obviously you don't think it a good idea to try and mentally and emotionally sabotage the development of boys just so some women can feel better about themselves so why not speak out against that? Or do you think she hasn't made her points?


You don't understand. I didn't intend to say that "Its well known that family courts are biased against men and that they usually interpret the term "best needs of the child" as best needs of the mother" is incorrect. What I meant for you to understand is that this bias is unfair and when a court of law is unfair then the logic used to arrive at the unfair outcome was and is obviously faulty. The point of a legal system is to promote justice, when if fails to do this then someone or some people have made some bad decisions using faulty logic.

So YES, the logic used by the courts in which a biased has been established against men is faulty.

Life / News on driving in Poland [54]

So would him having multiple offenses have garnered him a 25 yr sentence?

Love / What strange/unnerving/funny things do your Polish wives do? [153]


I find that highly entertaining...that put a grin on my face

Life / News on driving in Poland [54]

Good to know and I plan on never utilizing that knowledge beyond the hypothetical.
So if he actually did receive a 25 year sentence, it then would have had to be ruled homicide of some degree, have I got that right?

However I am curious about the logic used when a woman kills 2 children and doesn't even receive the maximum for killing 1 person...I should really know more about the law here.

Love / What strange/unnerving/funny things do your Polish wives do? [153]


I'd be abstaining every week if I did that. I think she is, like a lot of women are, just afraid that if she doesn't find something to argue or complain about then she'll forget this important life skill: )


She listened today. But is she stubborn enough to choose to forget?

Love / What strange/unnerving/funny things do your Polish wives do? [153]

I'd forgotten about this thread. Thanks for the reminder!
I think this might be true of all women but my wife is the back seat driver of my life. Like any little mistake no matter how inconsequential must be commented on and logged.

Just today she started shouting and carrying on like it was the end of the god damned world because I put a pair of dirty running shoes in a backpack of hers, which I had claimed many years ago.... I told her that's not how adults are supposed to communicate with each other.

Life / News on driving in Poland [54]


Oh man, nothing gets her more intolerable than when I ask her if she missed any details...nonetheless, is there a circumstance in which manslaughter could get someone 25 years? Does it depend on how effective one's lawyer is/isn't?

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


That is incorrect. The conclusions you have arrived at as a result need other justification or you should abandon those conclusions.


This is faulty logic. Therefore unjust.


This is not the stick we are using to attack feminism, this is the stick feminists are using to attack men or stand by and let others do it. This is a consequence of not questioning the motives of people who claim to be "doing the right thing" just because they play the victim card. Have you not been paying attention?


Over the past hundreds and hundreds of years, the nuclear family has produced the most stable and productive family unit known to civilization. Based on historical evidence and NOT personal preference, the winning formula for what a strong family looks like has made itself evident. If you argue that then either you know something that some of us don't or you're choosing to ignore the evidence. Which is it?


I don't agree with you on many things but these are all very true observations.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

How about this one:
A woman kills 2 boys while she's driving under the influence of narcotics.
A man kills a woman while driving drunk.
Her sentence was 8 out of a maximum 12 years plus a lifetime ban on driving (can she appeal that in 10 years?) and 50, 0000 pln to each family (100,000.00 total).

His sentence was 25 years.
So are the lives of 2 boys only worth, at a combined rate, 30% of 1 woman's life?
Or does she get a lesser sentence simply because she's a woman.
Why do feminists remain so quiet when I say the courts are biased against males.

Will you lot (feminists) at least admit it's true or haven't you the integrity to even do that?

Travel / Just visited Poland - here is my random rant [154]

Your conclusion:


To what I wrote:


...doesn't add up to me -please explain what you mean.

Life / News on driving in Poland [54]

I don't know the parents but having lost a child due to another person's negligence, I can say it is very very disorienting. As for the the money....so what?

Okay so my wife told me last evening a young man, while driving drunk, hit a mother and her child with his vehicle, killing the mother. His sentence was 25 years.

I have not confirmed this as I trust my wife would not get the details of that wrong. If that is not true then my apologies.

If it is true then am I alone in noticing something very wrong when comparing the two sentences?
The maximum she could receive was 12 while the maximum he could receive was 25?

Anyway pawian, I was only offering you an explanation for why the parents didn't seek a longer sentence. I was only trying to say that based on experience, I can understand them.

Life / News on driving in Poland [54]

that's it?
Is that considered lenient?

Travel / Just visited Poland - here is my random rant [154]


None taken, but my only point was that incentives are nice but until a system of taxation and governance that brings out only the best in people, there will be people who just aren't or choose not to be honest. For those people, penalties do serve a purpose:/

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

Gabbi, why not just point out what exactly has got you rolling your eyes. Zimmy has consistently stated that feminists on this thread refuse to engage in specifics and he seems to think you know your logic won't hold up to scrutiny once we get into specifics. So?

Travel / Just visited Poland - here is my random rant [154]

Magda and Lyszko have made solid points/observations in this thread.
Working on a farm back home is considered honest work. Repairing or installing plumbing and irrigation is too.
I've found there to be both less respect given to "dirty" work here and that may well be one of the disincentives Magda alluded to. But yes, certainly incentives are needed, that being said, until a perfect system is designed then penalties are probably going to also be necessary.

Language / Slavic languages words similarities with Polish [238]

If you're interested in the similarities among the Slavic languages then you owe it to yourself to check out
slovio.com

Travel / Just visited Poland - here is my random rant [154]


ok last post for the evening. Yes I understand that this happens but if these women prove themselves capable of standing among their peers and graduate (let's imagine for a moment that the type of degree isn't a factor) then that's a good indication they're the kind of people you'd want in charge of the next generation of the country. If they choose to become managers of human resources for the country then who's to say that isn't paying back the state, so-to=speak?

Now, that isn't to say the financial costs shouldn't be considered, I don't argue with you there at all. I completely see where that perspective has to come into play.

However, doing that would be hard. And if I'm really going to make it solely financial, then I ought to sit down and with very accurate economics, break down the numbers comparing the costs of the following:

- paying for a woman's education (we could do this for a man as well but since the point of contention is mothers then I recommend restricting ourselves to this)

- the cost to society for no child
- the cost to society for children raised badly
- the benefit to society for children raised well

Quantifying those things would allow me to compare those things. After that then I think it safer to start moving towards any gripe about financial costs.

And you may in fact have a legitimate point.
But I don't know what numbers you've based your argument on so I can't agree until I do.
If you know of these calculations then I'd like in on them.


Yeah I've been following your answers to these and I found myself nodding my head to your responses and yeah I was wondering the same.

Travel / Just visited Poland - here is my random rant [154]

I cannot make sense of what you're saying. What measures would undermine whose right to be a mother to their children?


I find that a very warped perspective, if you want to take it to the feminist thread then we can have at it there. (but not tonight, I got a 7am start tomorrow).

Raising children is work, isn't it?
Are you suggesting women should "pay back" their debt (so to speak) financially before having children?
Raising people who contribute into society is a long-term contribution isn't it? What do you think the economic cost is of not having or raising children?


I agree with you there and that is essential to my point -there is a lack of opportunity here compared to the west.


I can't argue with that.

Travel / Just visited Poland - here is my random rant [154]


Are you sure I spoke of "these" jobs?


How?


How's that a problem in the sense that it would undermine the idea you two proposed?


Okay I can see how that doesn't contribute economically in the short run but still if some people decide family life and their children are more important than making money then how does that undermine the basic premise of your idea.

Personally I think incentives to work in Poland would be better than penalties for working abroad but I think that idea you two came up with is decent.

Travel / Just visited Poland - here is my random rant [154]

That may well be the best idea I've ever read on PF. Can anyone see any holes in that idea?

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

Basically if a judge decides that after a divorce or the end of a common-law partnership that a man, despite not being the biological or adoptive father, was perceived as or acted as the father figure to a child then he can be made to pay alimony for that child or children. As far as I know this has happened in the U.S. and the U.K.

I read about these cases a year back and noted women's groups made no outcry about diminished maternal responsibility or even individual responsibility. Now, even when women make incredibly bad life choices, the courts protect them and penalize the man almost exclusively.