Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]

I agree and if you look, I am on the same page as you on that one.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


I agree with you on some things but let's be fair here. I can't honestly look at the figure and come to the conclusion that is evidence of downgrading men. It's evidence that a lot of programs in University appeal to women more than men and it's also evidence men are more likely to take up trades (because we like that sh*t man) than study in school. But is that "downgrading" men or placing too much importance on........f*ck, I dunno.....dumb sh*t? Yah feel what I'm askin?

As far as intelligence tests? Pfft!!! Intelligence tests are made to test some types of intelligence areas and often at the expense of testing other areas of intellect. As long as the questions are purely objective then I have no qualms with a test but let's remember they go in and out of fashion.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


What objective argument have you put forward for the following assertion:Since the beginning of civilization, all important contributions to the advancement of society have been brought fourth my men?

How could you or anyone possibly validate that?

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]


I think you'll see delphi and I have done that...whether or not you agree with them is a different thing.
Looking at what events have led to baby booms in countries may also lead to other ideas.
I guess I'm just tired of the line trotted out that immigration will cure all a nation's future population woes. What happens when those people become stable and the numbers start going down again? Then what, just keep the gates open indefinitely?

Eventually we've got to manage ourselves better and managing our population levels more intelligently is overdue imo.

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]


I'll let you figure that one out.


No, you seem a bit confused. Here's what I wrote:


This is what you wrote:



No, I asked you to be creative and try to get in on the conversation....you obviously have taken some sort of offense to that.


No, I would say that's a poor conclusion to draw from such limited data. Moreover, I did not state that simply better economic conditions are likely to increase birth rates. I never said that so this is one of those projections I referred to earlier. It looks more and more as though you read something I wrote, came to some ill-founded conclusions and want me to argue with you from a position you've defined for me. Sorry but you're off-base on this.


Most of those societies DON'T need to expand their populations so I think you should take that into consideration when reaching your conclusions.
Again, I have to be sure here, what claim do you think I'm making and how does a general rise in the earnings of women in Australia, Scandinavia, Canada and the UK in any way undermine that?

Delphi and I have had a nice conversation sharing ideas even though we first disagreed (and likely still do) on a couple things. It's not too late for you to join us.

One thing you have to be careful of when touting your data is how incomplete it is. Any increase in wage must be compared to inflation and buying power in that society.

In the cases of Canada, U.S., U.K. and Germany people may make more than 30 years ago but how many families in those countries can survive on one person's income and afford a home compared to that same time gap?

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


Think about what you've written and then think a bit more.




It's an interesting idea but ultimately very improbable that the intelligence level of the planet's apex species could ever be dichotomized along the lines of gender. From what I've read, and seen this much does seem to ring true among most species on the planet; in terms of behaviour and potential:

- males = nature's gamble
- females = nature's insurance policy

Men generally reach higher highs and lower lows, women tend to hug the line and there's likely a very good biological reason for that.

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]


I see your point, and I think this is where government involvement is so often off-target.
The less government is involved with people's private or family lives, the better imo. But they're so into it now that they have to try and repair the damage they've done. Of course they won't actually go tackle the problems of corruption and waste and lack of opportunity which have led to people being disenfranchised with their home country. Noooooo, they can't do that, instead they dole out little band-aid solutions that don't actually deal with the underlying issues.

...and then we argue about which ineffective solution is the least ineffective; )


Just to make sure we're on the same page, so to speak, I brought what up exactly?


Just to be sure, what claim do you think I'm making and how does a general rise in the earnings of women in Australia, Scandinavia, Canada and the UK in any way undermine that?

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


It is evident from the language you're using that you're not distinguishing your opinion from fact.
There are ways to communicate you've read, heard or witnessed an event, phenomenon or information which you believe to be true but still mentally allow that there could be factors you haven't taken into consideration. That's just good objective thinking, there's nothing wrong with that at all. I agree some things are not going to be disputed but statements like the quote following this paragraph are not something you've quantified (nor do you have the ability to) so on those things, it's simply honest to state them as opinion and not fact. I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm being condescending but I can't think of any other way to explain it to you right now.


......come on man, you know that can't be true. I don't know why you'd even make that claim. Can you even quantify what is or isn't an "important contribution to the advancement of society?" It's not objective and it's not true.

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]


Well I didn't make any claims contrary to your little research project so you're arguing against your own projections based on very few things I wrote.

You seem to want some attention but I have no time to give you at the moment but one BIG problem with your research is that it all seems centered on either G20 countries or countries in which people ALREADY enjoy a high-standard of living.

Try looking at it from that direction.

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]


Actually I don't think that's the best solution. Reason being, I've met some real slimey characters with lots of money in this country. I see no reason to reward people in that sense when so many of the people positioned to receive that reward have already cased the system (so to speak). I think that is a solution but not the best one.

I think offering high rate taxpayer rebates for post-secondary graduates would be preferable. The higher the degree, the more of a rebate they deserve should they decide to have children, whenever that may be. I admit that's just an off-the-top-of-my-head idea and would need tweaking but my bottom line is that the people with the most money don't need tax breaks and the people with the least money maybe aren't for me to judge.


I don't really see it the responsibility of the state to "punish" people for having children. However, if long-term stability is a goal then certainly, leaders should be encouraging the most able bodied and minded people to become parents.


Fair enough. If that's an accurate description then I stand corrected.


I hear what you're saying, utilities don't care what time it is. When something stops working, it stops working. That said, the first guy must have a sweet set-up if he can work those hours. I admire something in that as well.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


That is your prerogative however when you state your opinion as fact then people will eventually say "prove it" like on this thread and at that point you are forced to either put up prove or admit whatever you wrote as fact is not. Overall though your thought process on this matter is lacking as it allows anyone to state anything is a truth as long as they have enough conviction. Sorry but you're dead wrong on this one.

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]


I didn't write "family-friendly policies which reward people for having children under any and all circumstances" so let's be clear that what you've assumed from "family-friendly economic polices" isn't what I meant. Poles, culturally, really value family. I know families are becoming smaller but with the right incentives, the right people would likely choose to have more children if they could.



I think we'd all be surprised to find out how much the arrangement really benefits the student vs how much it benefits your cause. I would at least like to hear another side of the story other than just yours before I come to any conclusions.


My thoughts exactly. In this day and age, when comparatively good money is available outside but near Poland, money is going to become a bigger issue. Now, that being said, I've run across some major sh*tstains who want good money for very substandard work. That breed is still very much alive here in Poland and they are holding back their respective markets in many ways here. I had some guys come in to look at doing some renovation work. No one would work with anything but prefabricated press board type material and wouldn't/couldn't make custom cuts.

When I ask myself how that's possible, the answer is clear: many Poles don't invest in their businesses. These guys haven't bought the tools to make custom cuts on site. They belong to that old attitude that Delphi you've alluded to still exists among a lot of people here. I wouldn't call it laziness in the physical sense but I think I have seen what you wrote about (to some extent).


If people don't have to uproot themselves from their countries to score a fair opportunity then, a lot of the times and especially with families, they don't.

Examples? I think if you came up with your own ideas to start off with, it'd help develop the conversation. If you can't come up with any ideas then I doubt we have much to discuss anyhow.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


Are you suggesting he's offered you proof of whatever it is he said (I haven't followed this recent exchange and don't know where the conversation is at but yours was the first thing I read and this question popped into my head so...whatever)?

History / A view of Poland from far far away [14]

I've only watched some of the first video, before I invest more time in that, I'd like to ask a question (of sorts).

Based on what I saw, this looks like a lot of per-existing techniques combined in a unique fashion (ahead of its time by Western standards imo).

Do the other videos focus on more of the same or do weapons and crazy sh*t like that eventually come into it?
I'm not complaining btw, I just want to know if it's going to be more of the same.
I noticed 2 things:
- Their technique combinations (first video) focus quite a bit on what to do when you have someone off guard but not really how to get them off guard . That being said, I do realize they may not have wanted to include that because it's more of a nuance and not as spectacular to showcase.

- There wasn't much focus on body control, it was very explosive oriented. The longer a fight of any kind went on, the more those two element fade, so I'd hope they have some back up techniques in case things don't go according to plan. And remember, the better the other guy is, the more likely that event will occur.

But overall it's fun stuff to look at and investigate where their techniques derived from and what their school of thought was on "a fight" and the different scenarios they prepared for. Cool stuff in general overall, it's nice to hear that people back in the day knew what was up and get credit for it.

^I may have been under the influence when I wrote that; )
What I meant to say regarding body control and explosiveness is that the longer any fight of any kind goes, the more crucial it is to have solid body control techniques and experience and the more one's ability to be explosive is diminished. That of course is just in my experience and observations.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


That's your reason? Your reason for not responding to the serious detrimental effects of SOME aspects of feminism is that those criticisms are a few specific examples? I think fstop can do better than that, seeing as you've set the bar rather low she could trip over it and still have you beat.


You wrote some posts about how you would protest some wider parking bays if you lived in Germany and are pretending as though you've put in some kind of effort to make the greater issue understood? You and Englishman are simply avoiding the debate and it's becoming more and more evident you both know where you're wrong and just won't admit it.

.....So can someone else confirm that these two think there's no point in discussing anything which they deem as being too specific?
If there are other interpretations then I'd like to at least read them.


I have noticed your inclusion of the phrase "people who claim" in this criticism of feminists. And I think many of us can agree some people claim that all feminists hate all men but keep in mind some people claim that some feminists hate all men and still there are some who claim some feminists hate some men. But, of course, in constructing your straw-man argument, you had to make it out of something flimsy and outlandish before tearing it down. Weak sauce kid.


Anyone else notice his exclusion of the phrase "people who claim" in this statement? He can't even make it through one paragraph before shedding objectivity like a snake sheds its skin.


That isn't the only thing happening and you're not paying attention if you haven't taken stock of that.
I am for equal opportunity and equal pay, equal treatment and fair responsibility, no one is debating you on these not being worthy causes, are they?

If the effect of feminism was only towards those things then I'd be on that train but those aren't the only effects and it's turning into a runaway train.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


To be fair and objective, this is your opinion and should be stated as such for objectivity. While I agree there is some truth to what you've written here, it isn't entirely true. I've got some very liberal beliefs in some matters myself and they're born out of empathy not sympathy.


Well, even you should be able to admit that it's not exactly a legitimate selling point. It does discredit some aspects of feminism and liberalism in general. That being said, if it's an inadequate criticism then let me remind you lady that you have had plenty of opportunity to read other criticisms of feminism's dark side and you've been silent in your response in this thread while downright disgusting in living up to those charges in another.

For all the little outdated references I used, you actually seemed to relish in a person being killed seemingly because he was a man, I doubt you'd have celebrated the death of a woman under those same circumstances.

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]


Your opinion is wrong.
Family friendly economic policies and fair opportunities at home for Poles would do that better.

Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]

Okay, not to resurrect a debate here but last weekend, I was in the Beskidy for a few days. Heading back down the trails, one thing which was apparent was that my observations were validated. It's like half travelled upwards on their left, a third on their right and a fifth down the middle...and the same thing with people heading down the hills.

Cyclists going down were noticeably annoyed at the chaos (there were a few close calls) but it was impossible for anyone to stick to one side or the other because the next wave of people coming had chosen another direction and then they would get p*ssy with people coming down in their path.. It actually became funny after some time.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

We are all aware that being against feminism ≠ hating women.
Calling someone a racist should come with the burden of proof (of racist behavior) to back your accusations so if you're going to accuse someone of misogyny then back up your accusations with some evidence of misogynist behavior.

It rather telling that these accusations go unchecked compared to when I used words and terms that the mods (Lenka) wasn't "comfortable with." Where are the vigilant mods now? Lying and hyperbole is a-okay if you're on one side of the gallery here on PF -kind of a microcosm of the greater debate.

I don't think Zimmy hates women, I used to but now I don't. I think he's just really frustrated and angry at the double standards pushed in Western society by women's groups and people stupid enough to support everything they do. It's hypocritical madness and he's right to be angered by it. It's like you guys are afraid to have a nuanced opinion and restrict yourselves to thinking about this issue. If, in Western society, women are encouraged to look at their sexuality in 50 shades of gray then you people should give this issue just a bit more analysis than that.

We've yet to hear of ONE feminist supporter who has admitted to any negative effects/consequences or policies of feminism. Why is that?

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

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Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


It really is an independent business decision so if the manager finds it profitable to establish "women only" times then that's what they'll do. It's just an example of the squeaky wheel getting the grease imo.

Women, in groups and as individuals, understand that men just often don't give a f*ck and will yield to their constant complaining. That's what feminism amounts to these days -constant complaining and whining for more. What they've been able to do, for better and worse, is create financial repercussions to their whining. That's impressive in some ways but not when they go about actively making life worse for males just because their self-entitlement has no boundaries.

I mean can you imagine a self-respecting man going to management and complaining that he "fears" women in a private business? Gawd no!

That's the difference between men and women in Western society; men are more likely to just get on with it while women will make a mountain out of mole-hill until "something is done about it!" Everyone just needs to tell such people to keep it down and put them in their place, like we would anyone else.

That being said, if a manager sees the financial benefit of establishing women-only hours then I would agree that's the right thing to do financially. This also indicates more women utilizing the premises which means that's a healthier group of people. No one should be opposed to that unless it means it comes at a cost to others.

Of course the question is, does that policy discriminate against men? Is that legal? Would it be legal to create me-only hours? Is that legal?

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]

Yeah BBman, on some things I agree with you on but on other things I disagree with you on.
Regarding the First Nations, what you've described does unfortunately exist and much of it is due to internal corruption. However you have to put your power of imagination to work and wonder how it ever got that bad. This is something more people should do, really sit down and instead of looking at European immigrants as being responsible for everything, just look at how the First Nations were affected. Just focusing on the loss of life, leadership and livelihood would help.

That being said, some individuals and orgs on behalf of minority groups really do take the Canadian tax payer for a ride and NO, that has not benefited the welcoming society AT ALL.

One thing that must be acknowledged is that all the inhabitants of European countries don't seem happy with the prospect of MORE immigration. Despite this, their perspectives, observations and worries are not only being disrespected but marginalized as well. To me that is every bit as closed-minded as what the anti-immigration crowd is being accused of.

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]


Oh great, Ms. "My relatives and friends told me..." is calling my information anecdotal. Well Mr. Pot, let me bring you back to a comment you made which I responded to:


One poster replied:


I relayed my own anecdote which happened to two people and you replied


So no, that is at least the perception of the 2 people it happened to, my friend whose sister was involved, me and Meathead responded that were dead wrong earlier. That means it isn't my perception only. It is the perception of people who choose to look at the subject of immigration and integration objectively based on our experiences or the word of people who have zero reason to lie about such matters. Do you understand that?


Both he and I disagree. Seeing as we've lived there and you've visited I am going to go out on a limb and say non-white immigration has affected just about everything in Canada in one way or another. Saying it hasn't just tells me you're afraid to admit to any drawbacks to immigration. And that's the thing, I'm not against immigration but I am against how immigration is currently happening. I believe it is a vehicle in which global disparity will continue to travel upwards. This isn't a white vs. nonwhite thing to me.

I like and support diversity. I think policies that are too open, as they are now, are not the recipe for long term success but a road to instability, dependency and inequality.

One discussion I had with my friend (Ojibwe) was about the Canadian gov't allowing the Mines to fly in Chinese workers to do the job.

He kind of laughed and said people were complaining foreigners were taking their jobs.
I asked him what he thought and he said the workers should have the right to claim citizenship and that would settle everything.
He asked me what I thought and I said the contractor gets to make massive profits, cut down it's overhead, plunder resources and what do the tax payers get out of it?

the point of that anecdote (guilty as charged) is that one has to look at these situations from a variety of angles and I believe you have chosen not to do that.


I'm sure they are very proud but as their numbers increase (and their numbers are really increasing), their need to integrate decreases and that's just a fact of human nature. It's not unheard of that they only do business with other Chinese and pay in cash as often as possible to avoid taxes. I've heard from a few Desi people the same is also true in their communities in Canada.


Well colour me surprised. I believe you and admire you for that taking advantage of those experiences. I apologize.


Well your point lacks merit mainly because you haven't factored in time with your rant against white North Americans. Firstly, white immigrants managed just fine without any non-white immigrants for about a 2000 km radius where I'm from. They worked themselves to death and endured some of the most bitter cold in the world in isolation because there was no other choice. You should not insult them or their efforts to succeed.

Secondly and most importantly what do you mean by "some of the whites?" Are you talking about the people that you think "could not manage without non white immigrants and so encouraged immigration?" Because those people are dead. People today are not the "villainous" white men that exist in your imagination of the past.

The people who are talking about slowing down immigration are people who benefit least of all from increased immigration and they're the ones paying the most taxes.


Which takes us back to my earlier question; seeing as you feel so compelled to draw upon the colonization/invasion of North America from the perspective of those who were invaded then ask yourself why you advocate others to accept invasion? I am still waiting for your answer to that one.


Very very easily depending on where we're talking about of course. I wouldn't advocate massive amounts of white people from around the world setting up shop in Africa (oh, would you look at that rape and murder is on the forecast for South Africa) and I wouldn't advocate massive amounts of Chinese people setting up shop in Poland either. I don't even think it's a good idea for massive numbers of Poles to set up shop in the UK. If I had my way, people would first have fair opportunities for gainful employment at home before they were forced to move due to circumstances.


Well then please don't be so rude as to lie.
You're claiming Indian or Chinese societies are as or more ethnically diverse than those in the UK, USA, France, Canada or even Germany.
Are there a great many different ethnicities and cultures in India and China?
You said yes and I'll take your word for it.
Is that even remotely close to the diversity in countries which accept so many immigrants? No, not even close.
If there are 15 Chinese people in China that are ethnically different from each other and they all emigrate to the UK then they are still ethnically different and they have added to the diversity in their new home -you can't just call them Chinese once they arrive in the UK and ignore that they're ethnically different from other Chinese immigrants. You also have to add their genetic diversity to all the different ethnicities from Asia, Africa, Europe, South America, Australia and North America that live in the UK (for example). We can do that same comparison for the US, France, Canada and Germany.

Agree or disagree?

Travel / Rihanna complains about lack of privacy on Polish beach [150]

I have noticed there are 2 types of people on page 3:
-rational people
-emotional people


Seeing as a 16 year old boy will find an old woman attractive if the breeze is blowing hard enough I won't rely on their opinons. That woman is ugly as sin and without make up she'd be a horror show. I am convinced the only reason she has fame is because she is willing to do the most depraved sex acts for whichever producers have marketed her.

Travel / Rihanna complains about lack of privacy on Polish beach [150]

Can we all just agree that woman is positively repugnant. She's got the face of a pug and five head on top of it -blech!

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]


No. You are wrong. I can prove it. Do you want me to?


The tension may not be there but the effects are. I was just thinking about my best friend today and one thing he told me last year was that one thing he really likes seeing is white folks being spiritual/churchy. But he said "you don't see much of that any more like you used to. It's like all the traditions I learnt when I got here have gone somewhere else."

His words, he's not white, he's lived there ever since he immigrated but what does he know compared to you?


Untrue, it's changing for the better but the Chinese are not the group who are leading that change. No sir, no they are not.


Until I know your definition of a "racial incident" I cannot comment. What is it and how do you know the frequency which it occurs in Canada?


I agree but I think you don't actually know what the deal is that the First Nations have and how it has affected them. I have a feeling you don't know much difference between a Woodland Cree Reserve and an Ojibwe Reservation and are just beating on another racially inspired drum.


I didn't immigrate where I was born anymore than you colonized the damn place so peddle that idiotic rhetoric for the 19-26 yr old liberal arts crowd who buy into it. However, seeing as you feel so compelled to draw upon the colonization/invasion of North America from the perspective of those who were invaded then ask yourself why you advocate others to accept invasion? Take your time on that one.


So you're saying that China is as racially/ethnically diverse as the UK et al but the physical and cultural differences aren't so easy for the untrained eye to pick up on? I think you're lying, in fact I'm sure you're lying. You don't need much of a trained eye to spot the difference between Japanese, Jamaican, Desi, Sudanese, Chinese, Armenian and Irish, Lebanese, Jewish, and many many more ethnicities in the UK et al.

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]


You stated that all rather well in my opinion.

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]


This is untrue on 2 points. I don't even know why you'd write that it's so categorically untrue. As for a good record of integration, let me ask you this, who's keeping the records and what constitutes a good record of integration?

Here's a for instance. A good friend of mine relayed the story to me of what happened to his sister. She is originally from Northern England and has since immigrated to B.C. They went to a market in Vancouver (might've been Surrey or in that area) and were told they had to leave. Why? Well because they weren't Chinese and didn't belong there of course. I've seen many of the immigrants in Calgary treating that place like it's their personal dumping ground. Large corporations come in with no regard for the environment and immigrants do the same. Everyone just swoops in to take what they can and have no reservations about leaving if they can take more for themselves somewhere else.


I guess others would disagree.

Thank you gentlemen for adding a counterbalance.
Are there any Swiss here to vouch for either perspective?


So you're telling me that China, Singapore and India have as much ethnic diversity as Canada, UK, USA and France?
Why wouldn't it be obvious to Westerners?

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]


Interesting. Of course I have known this for many years but never really considered Switzerland "multicultural" despite it being so. How diverse are these groups culturally I wonder. Do you know?


That doesn't change anything; you've still agreed with me that multicultural policies in the US haven't worked. In terms of this conversation, I see that as a positive. We can at least identify which current model doesn't work. It would be a bit naive to think anything so long as it's multicultural/leftwing was going to work, don't you think?


Can you explain this assertion?


I find your examples interesting. I knew (except for Singapore) those places have ethnic diversity but seeing as I've never been it was always just something I assumed to x extent. So, how ethnically diverse would you say Chinese, Singapore and Indian societies are compared to the diversity seen in France, UK, Germany, USA, Canada?

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]

So Switzerland is a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic place and it's been that way for how long? How has this multi-cultural society that Switzerland is famous for helped to strengthen Swiss society?

I've only met a few Swiss people (Caucasian) and never been so let's hear what ya got.


I agree with you. What doesn't bode well for the future is how multi-culti policies are currently shaped.
The debate seems just as much about allowing cheap labour markets as anything else. I find it telling as to who benefits most and least from those policies.

Another sign of foreboding I've seen in a few countries is that there are large groups of people who are not interested or aware of what is going on politically and can't even communicate in the same language as the laws are made. Maybe in the 2nd and 3rd generations it gets better, I'm assuming it does. But one must still admit, that is a sign the system needs some major improving.

I fear the current attitude to mass immigration is that it's seen as some kind of quick fix to long-term problems and therefore an incredibly short-sighted solution to inequality around the globe.

One poster on page one wrote that a people should teach incoming migrants their ways and encourage them to adapt. As long as that is true then I'm on board that ship, when the guests decide to not fit in then I'm sorry but it's not going to work out in the long run.