UK, Ireland / Immgration to UK. A success? [114]


So did they get burdened with civil or criminal charges, or were they simply inconvenient now that they completed what the UK needed them for?

UK, Ireland / Immgration to UK. A success? [114]

Not at all. Shipping convicts to Australia ceased well before WW2. You must be confusing them with British children, aka Home Children. Those were sent to Australia until 1970's. Or perhaps poverty in UK is considered a crime, that is.

Child emigration was suspended for economic reasons during the Great Depression of the 1930s but was not completely terminated until the 1970s.

As they were compulsorily shipped out of Britain, many of the children were deceived into believing their parents were dead, and that a more abundant life awaited them. While many children were welcomed into loving homes, some were exploited as cheap agricultural labour. Many of the home children were denied proper shelter and education and were often not allowed to socialize with native children. It was common for home children to run away, sometimes finding a caring family or better working conditions.

News / Polish Post delays restructuring plans [8]

Why not link to the actual interview, which give's much better picture of the sensible reasons for the delay, paraphrased omitting some important points, such as the praise from an expert.

You stopped the plan for restructuring and conversion or elimination of post offices in Poland adopted by the former president, who was required to give the post office savings.

I held my plan , which was only one of the elements of the restructuring . This does not mean showstopper changes , on the contrary .

I had to pause the realization of the previous plan , not only because he aroused protests from staff and customers , but because they have not found economic justification for it . With the media learned that nearly 700 outlets to be converted or closed . But I do not know what criteria . There was analyzed in terms of profitability, market conditions and customer perspective. Would be first converted into 400 units , then the number has grown to more than 1,200 , and eventually fall to 669.

Life / Do you think that Polish people are rude? [951]


That's not rude. That's ADHD and most American kids have it. Perhaps his parents simply refused for him to be drugged with Ritalin.

Polonia / What similarities would you say there are between Poles and Mexicans? [132]

no big deal

Polonia / What similarities would you say there are between Poles and Mexicans? [132]

A similarity I can think of is both nations' love of shrooms. Although those in Poland make you see the world the same before and after.




And where did you see me pretend I was British?
I don't think I could be more clear on that.
Care to quote?

Polonia / What similarities would you say there are between Poles and Mexicans? [132]

The main difference is in the size of the respective sombreros:

History / Poland paid off American Jewry in 1960 [162]


An interesting story indeed.
Kinda like one woman in Salem, Mass. who was accused of drinking the blood of a rooster in order to cause a death of another person.

History / Poland Lithuania - current relations [124]


We just want to follow the good example of our Jewish brethren.

Language / The most important phrases when traveling to Poland [24]

There is a serious danger that visitors who don't speak Polish face in Poland: after they use one of the laboriously memorized phrases in Polish they receive an answer - also in Polish. What do you do then? ;)

History / Question on Poland 1980-82 (the history of Solidarity during the years of 1980 and 1981) [17]

Answering for myself, not for all Poles (and I won't check for typos):

- What was your view of Solidarity and KOR in August of ’80 and did it change by December of ’81? If so how and why?
The period that spans the early movemet was to short to make sense of a lot. All we cared abut was unity of all Pols against the commuists. Slight differences did not matter all that much, although increased number of strikes begain to be a nuissance.

-Did government rationing and propaganda play a role?
A role in what?

-What were the rations and what commodities were available? What commodities were luxury items? What were, if any, the differences between city and country life?

There was a shortage of everything, from booze to books. Coupons issud by the gov. were for sugar, alcohol, cigaretes, butter meat (except the really crappy one, the kind British cuisine is famous for). I can't recall more items.

-What was your view of the PUWP, specifically Gen. Jaruzelski, PM Kania, and Gen Olszowski? Did it change between Aug ’80 and Dec ’81? If so how and why?

Tha view didn't change a lot during that time. They were obviously Soviet puppets.

-What was your view of Col. Kuklinski’s defection? Did you know of it at that time? If so, how did you hear of it?

A hero. News first came from Radio Free Europe and from Voice of America. Polish news eventualy publicized it further, fom the communist angle whereby he was declared a traitor.

-What was your view of the CPSU; Brezhnev, Andropov, Ustinov, Suslov, etc? Was Marshal Kulikov a know figure? If so, how?
Brezhnev - there were spontaneous discos in the loby of my university. They dancing started before 8am in the morning after he died. We were expressing our joy.

Andropov - I remeber the arrogance of the news when he replacd Brezhnev. They were talking about all commie countries leaders congratulating him. When it came to Hungary, they said Andropv had a special relationship with Humgarians. It was true. He was in charge of te Soviet troops who squashed the Hungarian Uprising during which a the majority of the young and educated were killed or imprisoned.

The other ones were pretty much auxiliary figure heads to us.

-Did the USSR’s history of Hungary ’56, Czechoslovakia ’68, and Afghanistan ’79 play on your mind during this time? Did it affect how you viewed your government or Solidarity’s actions?

We did, and some of us still do, have a sense of guilt over Prague and Poland's role.
I had a conversation once with a Warsaw Pact military inspector in the rank of Colonel. Already then he said Afghanistan was a disaster that wold fiish the uSSR off. That made us think a little too bravely perhaps. If they can't handle Afghaistan they won't handle us.

-The ZOMO, how often and what impact did they have on your life or those around you?
Daily. random ID checks, itercity travel, curfew.

-And what role or effect did Cardinal Wyzsynski and Pope John Paul II have on you, your friends and family, and on the government and Solidarity?

Big boost in the general youthful enthusiasm

-For those who attended church, what was the message from the pulpit?
Don't give up. God gave us rights so stand for them.

-What was the reaction after the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II?
The USSR was automatically blamed. The news was a bit worrisome from the psychological point of view. Some saw it as the Soviet prelude to realy get at Poles in a very hard way.

UK, Ireland / Do Poles and EU Citizens exploit the British welfare state [129]


It's true what you are saying about unions but thanks to them more crumbs fell off the tables of te rich for the poor to enjoy.

This reminds me of one of the usual spats a couple of years ago on this form. I think it was isthatu who wrote something along the lines that life wasn't as peachy for all in the UK when compared to Polish reality at about the same time. I remember some news on Polish TV from the 80's about miners' strikes in the UK but, as usual, we brushed those off as communist propaganda. Then I saw a movie "Billy Elliot" and the reality shown look very shittty. I don't use movies as history materials so I started looking into it in more serious source and yes, it looked like those Brits didn't have it all that easy. In fact, I was shocked. I lived much better than that in a commie country.

Similarly, here in Canada, some realities of the past transpire through daily chats with m co-workers. Once the fellas were saying how fast tey would go downstairs soon after being awaken by their parents. As it turned out, their bedrooms were unheated to save money. I am aware that many Poles experienced similar situations in municipally heated apartments but that wasn't my personal experience. We opened windos in winter because the place too damn hot.

I heard stories, here in Canada, about people giving up their children to strangers because they couldn't afford food for them. Those kids are now in their 40's and 50's. An eye opener.

But, Bzibzi, worry not abut the unions. They are being dismantled and hardly any survive. In the US ony 10% of the workforce has soe kind of union to stand behind them. Canada is a little better but the neighbors won't allow that to continue forever. Just watch cerafully, there will be even fewer bread crumbs falling off the tables for you and me. Well, I work for the government so I'll be fine. Hope you're doing OK too.

(my keyboard skips characters, to lazy to fix all the typos, I'll get a new laptop tomorrow)

Life / How could things have gone so wrong (Poland church dress code) [195]


And what did you expect?
Next time don't shave your legs. This made all the old chicks in chirch jealous.

History / Poland paid off American Jewry in 1960 [162]


Actually more that 900+ years.
They liked it in Poland because, while most other European countries either kiled them, or expeled them, Poland gave them unprecedented rights and freedoms. It was actually better to be a Jew in Poland than a Polish peasant, or a peasan of any ethincity other than Jewsh. See more in Statute of Kalisz

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Kalisz
It is in Poland that, according to modern Jewish sources, Jews had their Golden Age. The Statute was renewed a few times but it lost its power with Poland's loss of inependence at te end of te 18th century.


Why they found the number to be so high?
Traditionally Germans were not the most reliable source of information about Poles, and it was sometimes the West's great mistake to believe them. Some Germans also have an axe to grind. They want some of the lands taken away from them by the US UK and USSR to Poland, while more than that was taken from Poland and given to the USSR.


What is it that you are asking about here? That Jews really hate Poles?
If this is the question then yes. Just read some of the posts by the Jews on this forum. The reverse is also true, and at this point it's hard to say whether the antisemitic coments are caused by ones that are antipolish, or the other way around.

The fact though is that bashing Poles is a popular acivity among many Jews. It makes it easier to blackmail Poland for money. It's pretty much the same tactic they used with Switzerland, and are trying to use again with germany (to increase yearly payment fom $10 to $50 per year)


Did they?
Or are you trying o put too much weight on some stories you heard from some Polsh morons?
compare itto Kosinski's so called literature (some of it plagiarism). Saved durin WW2 by Poles he basically kept on spitting on Poland and everything Polish. But hey, money was good. And then it was proven he was a liar. Tried to wigle himself out trough the "artist's expression" spiel etc.


NY Times is garbage that lost credbility a long time ago. The reason they spit at Poles is the one I mentioned above. You gotta put someone in bad light befoe you can get the world's opinion to help you extract some more cash from yet another country.


Many of us were born after WW2 but the memories were told and re-told ofen. These weren't the well rehearse movies by the famous director but real stories told by mily members. Some of them experienced hell personally. My aunt was in Aschwitz, my two uncles in Germany as slave workers. Stories have a different, and much personal dmensions when they are not a wrok of fiction that you buy for $9.95 in paperback edition.

The issue are much more complex but I'mpretty sure that canot be summarized by "Poles hate Jews" or "Jews hate Poles". Most of the garbage comes from te US Jews, exactly the ones who have little to nothing to do with Poland, and whose parents and grandparents didn't want to have anything to do with European Jews trying to escape Hitler and get to the US. You won't find this info in mainstream meadia because that would greatly weaken American Jewish stance in continued demands for ever more money.

If interested in the subject, get hold of Finkelstein's "Holocaust Industry". A real eye opener.

Study / AFRICAN STUDENTS INVASION in Krakow [197]


There was some Polish immigration to South Africa when it was still under apartheid rule.

History / Poland paid off American Jewry in 1960 [162]


Quit that.
The "anti-semite" card is wearing out and it is increasingly becoming devoid of the real meaning. You can't call anti-semitic anybody who disagrees with any Jew on any matter. That's just idiotic.


Like some say that Jews are genetically greedy?
Oops, that may sound like anti-semitism. We are not allowed to get pissed off when Jews offend us.

There was no "Jewish" property in Poland, and there is none now. There was property belonging to individuals. Some were ethnic Poles, some were not. They can make claims and, to my knowledge, Poland will consider those claims on individual basis. You're too used to the fact that in some countries all you have to say is "boo!" and they pay up, like the Swiss did. I hope Poland will reject any "gang bang" claims from some gangster lawyers from New Your City.

If you granny has a legitimate claim to a property let her go for it. Get all the supporting documentation ready and and I wish her all the best. Just don't confuse an Israeli passport with a proof of ownership of property in Poland.

News / What are Poland's optimal both real and virtual neighbors? [81]


you actually said nothing, so you'll be fine

Real Estate / Poland house prices recovered faster - Summary of 2010 [89]


One cure would be for commodity market players to be required a capability to store the assets they buy. For instance, you would not be able to buy 1000 barrels of oil unless you had enough storage to accommodate the quantity. Wanna buy a few tonnes of grain? No problem. Show me the silos where you want to store it. That would bring the price of oil and grain real fast.

History / Poland paid off American Jewry in 1960 [162]


That is a very complicated situation. There were about 3 million Jews living in Poland before WW2. Poland's borders are very different than today. So first we need to establish how many legitimate claims there may have been withing the current borders - perhaps less, perhaps more. After all, Poland is not responsible for properties in what is now Ukraine, Beloruss etc.

Now consider that about 60% of Poland's real estate was completely destroyed (Warsaw about 90%). After WW2 there most of the population simply didn't have anywhere to live. Many of those allegedly stolen buildings did not exists. They had to be built from ground up. In much of Warsaw they had to use historic paintings as the design "plans" as even the documentation was eradicated.

So tell me, how much would you like to receive for this kind of building:

- completely destroyed by Germans during WW2
- rebuilt by Poles after WW2
- today's value $1,000,000

My guess is as good as yours, so let's say the building I have in mind is shown in the attached photo of Warsaw in 1945. The building is located in the bottom left corner and it's about 1 meter tall

ww2incolor.com/d/465543-4/miastoruin11 - warsaw

You may also want to know that Poland is willing to reimburse former owners of properties on individual basis, not by giving a lump sum to some hit-and-run Jewish lobbyist from the US.

Language / się - explanation needed ? [13]


zmyc sie has nothing to do with cleanliness, it's a slang expression, much like "palic gume" (burn the rubber , as the rubber of the shoe sole meaning "to get lost").

zmyc (without the reflexive sie) means "wash away" or simply "wash" as in to wash the dishes. The difference is that of the emphasis:

zmyc - remove the dirt (becoming clean is implied)
myc - to wash (removing dirt is implied)

Real Estate / Poland house prices recovered faster - Summary of 2010 [89]


I think the system has already been beat real bad and so the monetary system does not exist. Instead, we are using promissory notes of one type or another and they have no objective value. When you think you have what you'd call a $100 bill, or a bank deposit worth $100 all it takes is a flick of some bog shot's pen and now you have $1.00. On top of that, that big shot is more than likely a private banker.

Language / się - explanation needed ? [13]

Bylem juz niezle nalany wiec zdecydowalem zmyc sie do domu.

zmyc sie means something along the lines of "get lost"

UK, Ireland / Do Poles and EU Citizens exploit the British welfare state [129]


Legal or illegal immigration is just a drop in the bucket. The official policies of exporting jobs is the main problem. And companies that do export jobs out of the US get all kinds of government grants and subsidies, and I'm not even talking about banks here. Between 1999 and 2005 the US lost 1.9 million well paying jobs. They were replaced with 2.5 million jobs created overseas by US companies. Middle class is not destroyed by immigrants. It is destroyed by the upper class.

The poor, well, how can you destroy them? They're already a wreck but they can have a very good use - to be pitted against middle class so the two can have a nice argument going on, while the upper class continues screwing both.

Language / się - explanation needed ? [13]


actually, it can be pretty exotic to foreigners.
See: skwierzyna.net/polishgrammar.pdf - page 70, Reflexive Verbs

History / Poland paid off American Jewry in 1960 [162]


There were certainly such Poles and there were also Jews who denouced Poles harboring Jews. Some of those were the very same Jews that Poles tried to save. There were also Jews who denounced Poles to the Soviets.

These were crazy times and it is only sad that all that is turning into yet another business opportunity for the greedy.
To try and find the truth, which is often somewhere in the middle, I really recommend that you read some of Finkelstein's writings. Since Israelis like to think that Israel is the "only democracy" in the Midle East, I'm sure his books are widely available in Israeli book stores.

Genealogy / Michal Orlik, born 28/09/1925 Bazaar, poland, surely I have relatives somewhere? [12]


There is a village Bazar in central Poland in Lodz Province. Double "aa" would be highly unusual in Polish locality names. There sems to be a church there, but I wasn't able to find any contact information. The small church in Bazar, belongs to the Rozprza Parish, and is located just a little south of Rozprza (drag the map a little, linked below):

Parafia Rozprza,
pw. Nawiedzenia Najświętszej Maryi Panny
ul. Rynek Piastowski 23
97-340 Rozprza
tel. (044) 6158025
forgen.pl/parafie/parafie3.php?par=503&lat=51.302303&lng=19.645870&obok=169,500,501,504


Sadly, you may want to consider that idea to be true. The area was relaively close to the city of Lodz which had a large Jewish population. Many Jews hid in the area's villages and if Germans found a Jew to be hiding in in a village, ofen the entire village was destroyed - i.e. all inhabitants executed on the spot. Not saying this is what happened with your family but there is that possibility.

Good luck.

USA, Canada / Grace Pianka case - Injustice to Polish Citizen [66]


I don't. But I can say she did either. There is enough of reasonable doubt.


If you don't feel like reading then you won't know. Posts here have t be read too.

USA, Canada / Grace Pianka case - Injustice to Polish Citizen [66]

You didn't read the whole story so your conclusion is the same as prejudgement. You used exactly the same mechanism that people used for centuries to justify persecution of your kind - the dark skin means a person is not fully human.

If you read the whole story and if you watched the Dateline documentary you might have reached a different conclusion. But then... you don't need facts to issue an opinion.

History / United States of America Vs Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth [74]

Millitarilly, yes.
And that would mark the official end of the American dream as Americans would have to finally wake up.

History / United States of America Vs Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth [74]



Irrelevent, as it was irrelevant that Britain was 20 times smaler than China and 15 times smaller than India. Portugal was 90 times smaler than Brasil.

In 2011 realities are diferent than they were in PLC so it is also irrelevant how far or how close the real or perceived anemy is. You may have heard about airplaines. But those won't be needed to destroy the US as the enemy (some of them at least) is within. Banks and multinational corporatons will suffice and at the current debt the US carries, all it'd take would be for China to ask the US for the repayment of the money it lent the US. And that's just one country the US visitited with their collections hat to beg for money.

With $60 trillion of obligations the country is probably in the worst economic shape any country ever was in human history. With the debt to GDP ratio it is exactly where Greece was when Banks decided Greece is now the property of multinatonal Banks. Portugal and Ireland were privatised with even smaler debt to GDP ratios.

When in 1992 LA police beat up one Rodney King and the perpetrators were subsequently acquitted we could witness one of the most severe incidents of social unrest in the US. It was a small court case and having to do with a tiny part of the population. Now imagine what might happen if suddenly one of the puppets (aka US presidents) stops food stamps, medicare, gas goes up to $10/Gal and Big Mac to $50 (fries extra, and no supersizing for $0.50).

Again, the US with its ridiculous policies towards banks and big corporations is desroying itself, and sadly, draging the rest of the world into one big mess, much bigger than it already authored.