News / How Poland bought German Airline Condor and might lose massive from it [34]

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Polands LOT gets shredded with Condor deal

Few weeks ago polish LOT airlines proudly signed a deal to buy german airline Condor, which was under german state property. Poland pays over 650 million for this trade...

But now the Corona crisis strieks hard. LOT appears that it wants cancel the deal. But they signed the contract already. The contract says that in case of breaking it, LOT is forced to pay 75% of the price.

Will be interesting how this ends. Condor can see this quite relaxed, if LOT doesnt take them, they stay in state property and most likely fall to Lufthansa. But LOT is heavily damaged either way. If LOT pays the full price they get a airline that cant fly right now and since Lufthansa cancelled all support, its doubtful Condor will make any profits. If they cancel the deal, they have to pay most of the money anyways but end with nothing.

Not even the aircrafts have any high value. Condor has very old aircrafts and additional to the price LOT has to pay for Condor, they would need a complete fleet renewel.

When LOT signed the deal, they were visible proud that they just bought a german airline...but it appears like they miscalculated greatly.



Gargantuan, ever growing costs and no prospect of any profits.

I heared LOT was supported alot by polish government for this purchase out of prestige reasons and paid by polish tax money...

Life / Will Poland ever be multicultural like Sweden, Germany or France? [201]

This topi@Miloslaw

Dont be too sure. Their problem is Germany, you have eastern Germany that has no 3rd world scum and you habe west germany that has alot. Reality shows, as soon they face oppossition, they run away, like locusts. That means, once their welfare runs dry, they will run. Could well be that they move east. In the west they are blocked by rising far right in France "Le Pen", so their escape route would be east, when things in europe get heated.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

Im a pure bred German and as i said, im damn proud for my heritage



That said, im on this forum, because last year, Poland appeared more and more like an enemy. I was interested why Poles care so much about Nordstream II ect.

Beside that i never had much interest in Poland, beside the meteor crash site. Its funny, because i never visited Poland, even so its not far. I never visited eastern europe at all.

History / BARBAROUS / BARBARIC / BARBARIAN tribes in Poland [62]

@jon357

Jews were no hunters, was not allowed to them. :)

Im a pure bred German and im damn proud for it,

History / BARBAROUS / BARBARIC / BARBARIAN tribes in Poland [62]

The fact that Poland is christian today they can say thanks to the Germans, because it was the Germans who forced christianity on them.

As for jewish, nope i have a DNA test. I´m R1. Nothing jewish on me.

Would be pretty weird, since Germany never had many jews. At no time did their umbers reach 5% of population in Germany.

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@kaprys

Propably because Thuringians raided poland. The Thuringian flag shows a lion, thats also in many other flags.

@jon357
Of course not. Nobody in my family is jewish. Maybe yours

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@Ironside

Im west from Saale.

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@kaprys

1. One grandmother comes from silesia. Thats not my family. Its a small part of my family. And her family is not original silesian but comes from Hessen, moved to Silesia in 19th century.

2. Name me those slavic tribes that lived in eastern Thuringia.

History / BARBAROUS / BARBARIC / BARBARIAN tribes in Poland [62]

@Miloslaw

There were never slavs in what is today Thüringen.

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@Ironside
Why so agressive? Im a Thuringian. The germanic tribe Thuringii is known to often have done expeditions east into what is today Poland so i assume there was contact there.

History / BARBAROUS / BARBARIC / BARBARIAN tribes in Poland [62]

Were there germanic tribes in today poland in that era?

News / How Poland bought German Airline Condor and might lose massive from it [34]

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As i predicted, Lufthansa shots Condor down, now that it was bought by polish LOT

Some here said Lufthansa would not do so, i said they would. :D

LOT paid almost 1 billion € to buy german airline Condor, which was in trouble after teh Thomas Cook bancrupcy.

For decades Lufthansa and Condor were close partners. Condor catered only holiday destinations and has 3 big hubs. Frankfurt, Düsseldorf and Munich. Lufthansa cooperated with Condor and offered cheap tickets to bring passengers from all over Germany to the Condor hubs. Condor on the other side did not fly to Lufthansa destinations.

Experts say Condor depends heavily on those Lufthansa flights which fill their aircrafts.

Lufthans wanted to buy Condor but polish LOT got it.

Experts from beginning said, that Lufthansa will not allow this. While the poles celebrated that they got a old renomated german airline, Lufthansa stayed silent but today announced they will end the contracts with Condor. baysicly making its business in Germany collapsing.

aerotelegraph.com/lufthansa-stoppt-zusammenarbeit-mit-condor

Lufthansa also plans to throw Condor out of its Miles and More Program and also break the old rule that Lufthansa avoids Condor destinations.

The german national carrier changes the market in Germany so much, that its doubtful, that LOT will have sucess with Condor here. LOT itself has no partners in Germany and cant provide the aircraft net that bring german passengers to the 3 hubs for Condor.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

@Tacitus
What bullshit. Merkel never cared for Germany nor Germans. She betrayed our nation and destabilized us. She broke the german political system that worked for 70 years. As i said, im happy to see that ***** suffer trauma more and more. She is shaking at public events, sees her party break apart. People throw tomatos on her.

When she left her car at Dresden and waved to people they shouted to her to **** off and called her names i dont want write here. It was nice to see her get pale.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

Merkel is hated in Germany and thrown insults and tomatoes at wherever she goes. She is propably now more popular in Poland than in Germany.

The irony is, that here in Germany from AfD she is now often called by the polish name of one of her ancestors, to show that she is not even a real German.

Dont know how this is in Poland, but the biggest flaw in our system, is that a chancellor can stay foever in ever. Merkel was ok in her first 8 years and tehn more and more slipped into madness.

I dont agree with evrything Höcke says and does but he is intelelctual superior to all those idiotic politicians and merkelists. And im thankful for what he achieved.

Höcke fired a shot at Merkel and her system, she cant recover from. The CDU now fights internal and breaks apart. The tidal forces inside teh CDU now get so powerful, that the entire party starts to blow up. The CDU now behaves like the chaotic and collapsing SPD. That is Höckes achievement and i can only bow my head infront him for this coup.

You contradict yourself btw. Now you say we must all use discussion and debate? Really?

How so? The old system parties call us facists, nazis. They attack us openly and fund ANTIFA thugs that attack us. What debate and discussion do you have, when you insult us that way? Attack us that way?

There is no debate left and no discussion, just grief and anger.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

@Lyzko

AfD got record high results here in Thüringen, higher than anywhere else. And Höcke is leader in AfD Thüringen. Beside that, it was Höcke wo staged this genius plan against CDU in my state which worked perfectly and basicly destroyed Merkels CDU

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


You should keep the old Mig-s9 in storage. If you ever have a war against an industrial nation, the F-35 is useless. It can only be used against countreis without radar and airforce, like Syria.

I had to laugh about merciless killing machines though. Funny branding for teh slowest fighter jet on the market that has only one engine and is not capable for suepr sonic flight. :D

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

One guy made a mistake. Meanwhile Frankfurts SPD mayor gave his wife a job as indergarten teacher with a higher salary than the chancellor and a Lambo as working car.

I find that slightly more dirty.

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

@pawian

Poland also has most of its fighter jets from Germany

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

@Ironside

We are biggest oppossition party in Germany and a huge branch in EU parliament. AfD and your government party already work together in EU. :)

What my powers are? Well im really good in benchpressing and quite smart.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

@Ironside

Really? Spitting on the street or littering it? Thats your powers?

I think your greatest power is to make a fool out of yourself. But it worked. I already had my abs training today and the laughing flash let my belly hurt.

Look Ironside, i understand polish complex. You are sandwiched between two powers. In West Europes economic hegemon Germany, in East a more and more agressive Russia.

No matter who is in charge in your country, nothing with change that fact. You should reconcile about that and review your ideology.

As i said, im a german nationalist and have no problem to work together with polish nationalists i certain areas.

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@Ironside
What does your grudge against us change? You can do nothing againts us, so you only grow frustration

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@Torq
Dont take it personal. Its nothing against eastern europe. Its Just that im mostly interested in nature and i dont think there is much that i cant see here.

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@Crow
The EU is a german project. And your insults against my country dont bother me. You come from a nothing.

@Torq
As i said, i have no interest in visiting eastern europe.

I visited France Switzerland Spain, Portugal, Mauritius, Madagascar, Australia, New Caledonia, Chile, Peru, Bolivia, Egypt, Japan, Seachelles, Cuba, USA, Italy, Greece. But never eastern europe and i have little to no interests in it.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

@Torq

Im not interested in cities, they bore me. If i visit Poland than just because morasko meteorite site. There is nothing else that interests me.

In Australia i was 30 days and 2 days in Sydney. I was bored in Sydney and could not await to finally see the nature.

As for gold... 100 tons? Thats cute.

Germany has 2nd largest stockpile of gold in the world.

We have 3.370 tons

If you think you can provocate me with Danzig, you are wrong.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

@Torq
I would rather prefer to be dead than moving into a big city Like Berlin or Paris. Prefer my forest Thüringen.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

@Crow
Lol
Poland has a smaller economy than the city of munich.

Crow you get more problematic with each day.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

@Spike31

Nothing will change the fact that Germany due to its culture, position in europe and people will always be the dominant power in Europe.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

@Torq
Since my nation is like my family i also act like in my family. I would not betray a friend, same way as me and my siblimgs sticked together and kept stuff secret from my parents ;)

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

@Torq

The world is more complex than A or B. If im in position to get orders to kill someone, that also means im in position to put someone off the list.

But thats not the issue here. You are from Poland and i assume that short period has shaped your mind. Keep in mind that what Hitler did was not what Germany stands for.

You ask me if i would shot a friend if ordered. But why you ask me that? You can ask same to a pole or russian or french. Would you ask a british if he would shot an irish friend?

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@rozumiemnic
You have a Problem with me loving my Nation?

Of course i love my country. Im a proud German and my nation is as important as my family for me