Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2672]

@Novichok


Hence we have a well-armed police force.


Police officers may realistically find themselves in situations in which guns can be useful. Whereas civilians with guns are statistically more of a danger to themselves or others. Police officers have undergone intensive, often-years long training and various psychological testing in order to prepare them an make sure they are fit to handle a gun responsibly.

Your mind may still be living in the Wild West, but times have changed. If you love your family, get rid of your gun.


As always, you might want to read up on your history. Here is a hint: People who spoke and thought like you gave us WWII when they got a chance to act on their depraved impulses.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2672]

@jon357


Arguments from gun nuts in a nutshell.

News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10 [1931]

I wish we could go back to the days when migrants seemed like our biggest concern...

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@jon357


That is what I like to imagine. Alternatively one source got caught/discovered and then revealed several others.

News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10 [1931]

The UK and Germany have unveiled plans to jointly develop the Remote-Controlled Howitzer 155mm Wheeled Artillery System (RCH 155), which will be mounted on Boxer armoured vehicles.

This announcement was made during a meeting between Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz in Berlin.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britain-to-purchase-boxer-based-rch155-artillery-systems/

Pretty good news overall. For the UK and Germany that is a given, but also for Ukraine who will receive the first RCH 155 this year, since more orders means an increase in production capabilities, which means a faster delivery of future orders. Not to mention that the combat experience of the RCH 155 in Ukraine will allow further improvements for the design.

News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10 [1931]

Something to lighten the mood:

Putin's Propagandists Rage Against the Republican 'Betrayal

Kremlin mouthpieces are having a hard time explaining why a supposedly sympathetic US Congress has just passed a huge military aid package for Ukraine

Beneath the seething anger is an unspoken truth - that the enormous US aid package seriously complicates Russia's realistic path to victory and ensures yet more tens of thousands of young Russians will suffer death and dismemberment. The evidence of enormous casualties is available for all to see in the swelling graveyards of the homeland.

Despite the boasting and bluster, Russians are suffering under the weight of Putin's war of aggression and the cracks are starting to show. Appearing on The Evening With Vladimir Solovyov last week, Karen Shakhnazarov urged fellow propagandists to start telling the truth about Russia's internal struggles and its many problems.

cepa.org/article/putins-propagandists-rage-against-the-republican-betrayal/

News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10 [1931]

Thanks for confirming 1765 ;)

News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10 [1931]

@Novichok

"If the US had a legal and moral justification to intervene in Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Ukraine, adjusting for distance and ethnic issues, Russia has 100 times more reasons to intervene in Ukraine."

The US came to the defense of South Korea at the request of the UN security council and in accordance with international law.

Russia can make none of those arguments regarding Ukraine.

Distance and ethnic issues are irrelevant in international law which you would know, if you knew anything about it.

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@Novichok

See my post about Korea for a start.

News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10 [1931]

Says the person who knows nothing about history, democracy, international law and parrots the same lies over and over again.

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@Velund


Several users on this forum, myself included. It just gets tiresome at some point.


For example, it is objectively false to claim that the USA invaded Korea. The US came to the defense of South Korea at the request of the UN security council and in accordance with international law.

News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10 [1931]

Always asking the same, long debunked questions. Can't you be more creative.

News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10 [1931]

@mafketis


Everything that is wrong with Russia in a nutshell. Parroting Russian propaganda (SMO), lack of empathy, greed, useless authorities.

The only thing missing was the obligatory "If only comrade Putin knew...."

And it is only downhill from now on for them.

News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10 [1931]

@Korvinus


Indeed. Which really just adds to the negative effects of Putin's legacy for Russia. Not only has the war proven utterly disastrous for Russia, it was also completely avoidable.

Imagine the world we would live in today from a Russian point of view if Putin had taken the diplomatic victory that was offered to him in January 2022. Russian prestige and military reputation would still beincredibly high in the eyes of the world, while the USA would still be reeling from the defeat in Afghanistan. Russia would still be trading with the West at favourable conditions, while the relevance of NATO in the perception of its' members would continue to decline. A lot of the ressources that went into the war could have be invested into Russia (those not stolen by Putin and his entourage of course), preventing the mounting failures in Russian infrastructure, which is only getting worse with time.

But yeah, fighting a multi-year full-scale war over heavily destroyed territory that is heavily undermining Russia's economic development and geostrategic position is much more preferable... .

Reminds me of how historians sometimes ask the question: "How would Hitler have been perceived today if he stopped after Munich 1938".

News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10 [1931]


Pacta sunt servanda.
If it wants to be seen as a country that adheres to the rule of law and is part of the civilized world, then yes.

Russia has acknowledged Ukrainian independence and territorial integrity in the strongest possible terms. There are no unilateral take-backs.


Fixed that for you.

@Korvinus


Flawless logic. Second only to the claim that they fear NATO, yet start and continue a war that has objectively weakened their position against NATO in every way.

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This is just cringe...

News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10 [1931]


What?

News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10 [1931]

@Novichok


The money will be used to pay for American made weapons, in other words subsidize American jobs. Other countries will buy even more American weapons. Defeating Russia will benefit the USA in its struggle with China, since Russia is China's most valuable pawn and increase American prestige with its' European and Asian allies.

But I am sure you know all of this. You are just unhappy not because you believe this to be a waste of American tax money, but because you want to see Putin win.

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US House passes $95 billion Ukraine, Israel aid package, sends to Senate

reuters.com/world/us/us-house-vote-long-awaited-95-billion-ukraine-israel-aid-package-2024-04-20/

Thank you USA! So glad that some Republicans came around and saw reason.

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They also do not invade their neighbours on a regular basis.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2672]

@johnny reb


And do you think that is reasonable? I get it that hunting may have been a necessary skill to learn as early as possible in rural areas 200 years ago, but today? The USA is a civilized country with what I can only assume broad access to supermarkets. Children should not have access to guns period. If they want to get extra fresh food, they can always go fishing.

@Novichok


Leaving aside the risk of accidental discharges. Living without cars or bathtubs is difficult, they pose little risk while offering great benefits. Guns do not offer any tangible benefits while posing great risks to yourself and your family. Living without them has no impact on your daily life, but your family will thank you for it. "At least now grandpa is less likely to shoot me" would be a very reassuring thought for them.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2672]

@johnny reb


18 and of course only after passing a psychological evaluation.

@Novichok


Just repeat after me: Your gun endangers you and your loved ones. Your family is real, that dangerous intruder just part of your imagination. If you love your family, get rid off your gun. Your activities on this forum does not convince anybody that you are capable of handling your gun in an emergency.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2672]

@Novichok


That is not how statistics work. With cars you look at the benefits of a car (greater mobility et al.) and compare them with other methods of transportation and their associated risks.

With guns it is easier since you can weigh their supposed benefit (protection, lifes saved) versus the lifes they claimed but were not supposed to.

And statistically speaking you are more likely to harm yourself and/or your loved ones than to shoot an intruder with. Guns make the life of their owners and all others more unsafe.

@johnny reb


Nonsense. If a person does not know how to drive, he'll be severely limited in his mobility and possibly job opportunities. Having sex is something natural everybody will want to experience, and we know from history that banning alcohol does more harm than good. But there is zero reason why a minor should learn how to handle a gun. He does not need it for his daily life, it poses further risks for him and others and given the right laws, it will be very difficult to ever get his hands on them unsupervised. Most people in Poland never used a gun in their life, nor did they have the need for it.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2672]

@Novichok


Nope, we are just better at looking at statistics. You are more likely to use those gun against yourself, your family, or your family uses it to harm itself. Facts matter. Your gun is making your family more unsafe.


You mean events like this?

Child firing Uzi at Ariz. shooting range accidentally kills instructor, police say

cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html

There are states in which people are not allowed to drink alcohol or drive a car until they are 21, but some people seem to believe it is perfectly fine to let children handle guns.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2672]

Gun nuts like to fantasize about how they'd use their guns to heroically defend their families against intruders. Leaving aside how statistically unlikely such invasions are and how difficult it would be for trained professionals to act appropiately, let alone amateurs (which most of them). The ugly reality is that not only are they more likely to use those weapons to kill themselves or harm family members, but those family members may also (intentionally or accidentally) misuse those guns. Particulary children:

California toddler kills 1-year-old sister with handgun found in home, police say

Gun-related deaths have become a mayor cause of death for children and young adults

cbsnews.com/news/san-diego-toddler-shoots-kills-1-year-old-sister-with-unsecured-handgun/

everytownresearch.org/report/notanaccident/

I am sure that is one thing from the USA no one in Poland is interested in adopting.... .

So if you love your family and want to keep them safe, you should throw your gun away immediately. If you need them for work/hunting, keep them in a secure, locked box.

News / Will Poland as a NATO member be drawn into the Israel/Iran war ? [106]


The intention may not be the problem. Just no capabilities. We need everything we have to build a credible deterrence against Russia (which may not even enough).

News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10 [1931]


Before the war, Russia had three things going for it. A fearsome military reputation, ressources and a thriving arms industry.

The first one is good, it can sell its' ressources only at a huge discount and it is losing customers at an alarming rate.

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@Bratwurst Boy


A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one!

News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10 [1931]

@amiga500


The fact that he has broken every treaty signed by him and his predecessors regarding Ukraine. Few leaders have done something similar in modern times, and when they did, they usually ended up being treated the same. There is zero reason to believe that any new one would be anything more than a temporary relief which he would use to rebuild his shattered army and attack later.

It makes sense from the Ukrainian side to continue the resistance. Their land is in a bad shape anyway, but Russia isn't yet. Every day of warfare increases the damage to Russia, and since Russia can not hope for Western economic assistance like Ukraine does, it further decreases their potential for another war down the line.

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@Bratwurst Boy


They don't need one, in many cases a qualified minority is enough to veto such cases. Sometimes even one country is enough to obstruct further aid, as we have seen with Hungary.

Mayhaps I am too pessimistic, but I do wonder how long the solidarity with Ukraine would last after the war is over. Quite a lot of countries (if not all of them) that are currently receiving structural aid from the EU would suddenly be expected to not only refuse further payments, but make payments themselves.ike they say, "Beim Geld hört die Freundschaft auf" (Friendship stops with money).