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Atch   
28 Oct 2015
Life / "Survivor's report" from a children's mass in Poland [62]

parents donated the most in church on Sunday (all of which was recorded and published in the church bulletin for all to see)

Yes that's a disgusting practice which I'm glad to say we never had in Ireland to my knowledge but which my husband tells me was the norm in Poland and may still be for all I know. He told me about a custom of sending round a statue of Our Lady I think it was, together with a list of all the households in the parish. The statue had to be kept in the house by each parishioner for a few days and then they had to make a donation and put the amount they were giving on the list. Imagine the shame some people felt at only having a small amount to give and the fact that they probably had to go without some item of food or something else essential.

There's a book you might enjoy Johnny called 'To School Through The Fields:An Irish Country Childhood' by Alice Taylor. Irish children in rural areas, like yourself walked many miles through the fields in all weathers to school in an unheated schoolhouse. Children were generally expected to bring a sod of turf for the fire and in some schools those who didn't do so were given the leather or the stick by a harsh schoolmaster.

every man-made system is defective, let me ask you what is the down-side of Montessori education

The only downside is when teachers don't understand the philosophy behind it and start to mess with it. If you follow the method correctly it works for everyone. The reason for that is because Montessori wasn't a theorist, she didn't come up with ideas based on how she thought children should behave or how they should learn. She observed thousands of children over her lifetime and designed her philosophy and her learning materials based on the childrens' natural behaviours.

every man-made system is defective

Yes it's a man-made system but divinely inspired. Dr Montessori was a deeply spiritual person. She was a devout Catholic but she respected all religions and spent six years in India. She had an experience similar to that of Froebel when he was returning from the Napoleonic wars when she encountered a mother and child begging in the streets of Rome and knew that her life must be dedicated to such children. She began her work with the deaf and mentally disabled. She then went on to bring her system to the street children of Rome in the first Montessori schools. She was nominated three times for the Nobel peace prize which not many people realise. Anyway she was a very special person.
Atch   
28 Oct 2015
Life / "Survivor's report" from a children's mass in Poland [62]

What about exceptionally fidgety and or unruly kids

They are free to choose their own work so there's no fidgeting. They generally find something they want to do and settle to it. As for the unruly ones, they also find something to interest them and the work calms them. If a child can't settle I simply have the child sit with me. I I might say 'you're wandering around and annoying people, stopping them from doing their work which they don't like. Now if there's nothing you want to do I shall have to ask you to sit with me for a while as we can't have you disturbing busy people.' If I have time I might do an activity with them. If not they'll have to sit there and watch whatever I'm doing which they usually enjoy. Sometimes I might be giving a lesson to another child and the fidgety one will actually take a great interest it, just as an observer.

bully weaker pupils

That doesn't happen in Montessori schools.

accost the teacher?

Also doesn't happen.

Have you ever personally experienced such encounters

I have in mainstream schools but any teacher worth her salt puts a stop to that very swiftly. Any bullying in my class was always pretty mild, trivial stuff and I nipped it in the bud immediately. You have to be a very good observer of children and spot what's going on before it gets established.

It's hard to understand I know, but if you get the children into Montessori when they're three years old and you have three years with them until they're six, by the time they get to seven, they will not bully anyone or give trouble to a teacher. Of course I'm talking about proper Montessori schools not half-baked things that use the name and don't really practise the method

"The first idea that the child must acquire, in order to be actively disciplined, is that of the difference between good and evil; and the task of the educator lies in seeing that the child does not confound good with immobility, and evil with activity, as often happens in the case of the old-time discipline." Maria Montessori. Great woman Montessori.

I doubt if you were consciously mouthing a buzzword of the PC Dictatorship. You simply went with the flow.

What are you talking about? I never mentioned humankind. Oh yes, I did, way back posts ago. What's wrong with it, it's a perfectly valid word in its own right.
Atch   
28 Oct 2015
Life / "Survivor's report" from a children's mass in Poland [62]

It's part of the PC newspeak vocabulary.

No, it's a much older word than that. Human beings have existed for quite a long time Polly.

Some people don't even recognise it as such, others are sensitive to attemtps to contaminate and ideologise the language.

You poor, precious, sensitive darling. You should really lock yourself away in a monastery so that you're not further contaminated and I'm sure the missus as you refer to her would be happy to go to a nunnery, after all she couldn't be left in the world to be contaminated. God love her, the poor woman what she has to put up with.........
Atch   
28 Oct 2015
Life / "Survivor's report" from a children's mass in Poland [62]

Yes, but this is nothing to do with feminism. This is to do with language and how it constantly evolves. Loan words, foreign expressions, techno jargon etc. Personally I find text-speak as I call it with all that 4u, etc far more cringe inducing.
Atch   
28 Oct 2015
Life / "Survivor's report" from a children's mass in Poland [62]

The Great St JP2 said as Catholics we must all evangelise the world

Oh indeed, so he dismisses the reflective life of prayer led by the contemplative orders? That doesn't sound like JPII to me. They withdraw from the world in order to pray for and ease the burden of those who choose or are obliged to live in that world. And what you're doing Polly is not evangelising.
Atch   
30 Oct 2015
Life / Can I sell my used clothes in Poland? [21]

You could donate them to the Sue Ryder shop in Warsaw. It's the only charity shop, as far as I know, in the style of the British Isles where the proceeds go to help people in need. But I'm sure if you approach a priest he could advise you about how to get them directly to the needy.

You don't have to be a stingy westerner.

Shizuka doesn't sound like a Western name. And actually Ktos Westerners are far more charitable than Poles. That's not Poland's fault, that's a legacy of Communism and the type of society it created and hopefully it will change in time,but it is a fact that ordinary people in the West on the whole do far more to fund raise, donate, volunteer and directly help others etc than Poles.
Atch   
3 Nov 2015
Food / Best Polish Potato Variety for Mashing [67]

Bless me Father for I have sinned. I disobeyed my husband and bought Amerykanki as suggested by Polonius. (You see what a bad influence you are Polly??) Anyway I didn't mash them because we didn't want mash that day, but I have to say they're the best so far. Nice flavour and not as soapy as the other varieties. Not in the same league as Irish Roosters but a reasonable substitute. Honesty compels me to admit that my husband was with me at the time, so I didn't really disobey him, I was given the green light but that's alright - I put he disobedience on account and save it up for another occasion. I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities! I will report again when I eventually get round to mashing them.
Atch   
3 Nov 2015
Food / Best Polish Potato Variety for Mashing [67]

Yes, my husband used to eat the mashed potatoes with onion and zsiadłe mleko when he visited his great grandparents farm. He still likes to eat that combination in summer sometimes. He also loves potatoes with koperek.
Atch   
3 Nov 2015
News / Our (UK) Trash tabloid has this exclusive story on the Sobibór Nazi death camp in south-east Poland [35]

Well, look, I'd say that this:

a) it's quite possible that graves were looted at some point. Looting happens in war time and the bodies of fallen soldiers are looted and robbed too so it's just a horrible aspect of human nature.

b) I agree that the story doesn't make it clear when the looting supposedly took place, how recent was it?
c) I don't think the story is a complete fabrication as the museum authorities are quite at liberty to come out and make a statement to that effect ie there's been no looting that we know of. They haven't done that so far and the story has now broken worldwide and is being reported by many other newspapers so if it's all nonsense then I'd expect the museum to say so at some point quite soon.
Atch   
3 Nov 2015
Life / Do Polish children have a typical bedtime? [11]

Yes, in my experience the children here tend to be allowed to stay up quite late. I think it's partly because the flats are very small and as the kids may not have a bedroom, it's easier to just let them stay up than try to get them to sleep while life for the adults is carrying on as normal around them.
Atch   
4 Nov 2015
Food / Best Polish Potato Variety for Mashing [67]

ou guys (just like Poles for instance) do eat potatoes at every meal.

Well not quite. Many Irish people, particularly those under forty, don't eat spuds at all or even pasta. They might eat a bit of rice but they try to stay off carbs and eat mostly salads, veg, fish, chicken. The average Irish family now eats quite a bit of rice, noodles and pasta as well as spuds. The days when people insisted on spuds with their lasagne and coffee meant Nescafe or Maxwell House are long gone!

Stick to the Poland please
Atch   
4 Nov 2015
News / Stronger Russia, safer Poland, in world that globalize - is this be truth? [53]

I saw a documentary a few years ago, where the British writer and broadcaster Michael Palin visited Russia and he was talking to some young, well educated Russians about politics. Their attitudes were quite extraordinary. Democracy wasn't much favoured, as if they feel it won't work in their culture. There was a consensus that Russia needs a 'strong leader'. It was as if they feel more comfortable being dictated to, makes them feel secure.
Atch   
4 Nov 2015
Food / Best Polish Potato Variety for Mashing [67]

I love how you managed to discuss your potatoe eating habits whilst staying on the topic of Poland! Yes, I would agree that spuds still rule in Poland. Please mods, may I draw a comparison between Ireland and Poland which demonstrates this point? Pick up a house wifey type magazine at random in a Polish shop and look at the recipes. They're still heavily potatoe based with maybe a bit of makaron. Pick up a magazine in Ireland and the recipes vary widely with a lot of stuff that would be considered quite exotic by Polish standards. I mean in Ireland I can go into any supermarket and pick up something like Chinese Five Spice. I can't do that in Poland.

Firstly you have to live in a city of some size and secondly you have to shop around and maybe make a special trip to a different part of town or buy online. The international cookery section in my local Auchan contains such delights as HP Sauce (!!!!) and Blue Dragon ready made sauces, not even a bit of Colman's mustard. They have Thai curry sauce but no curry paste for making your own sauce. Interestingly in the main spices section they now have packs of ground Cardamom (no pods) with Nowosc! proudly displayed on the packs. So that kind of puts it in perspective.

I suppose now the topic has strayed too far from potatoes..........but weave them together nicely by commenting that Indians use many spices in their potatoe dishes. What about samosas for example, utterly yummy.
Atch   
4 Nov 2015
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

Where did you get that definition from? There is no actually no consensus about the exact centre of Europe. Different experts, different opinions, but here's an interesting link to author Francis Tapon's discussion of this subject. It's a nice read, not too academic:

francistapon.com/Books/The-Hidden-Europe/Where-is-Eastern-Europe-and-what-countries-are-in-it
Atch   
4 Nov 2015
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

Eastern Europe refers to former communist countries

Eastern and Western are political references

Absolutely. Any former state from the Eastern Bloc as it was known, any former Iron Curtain territory is perceived, like it or not as Eastern Europe. I've mentioned this before to Wulkan but he simply cannot deal with it. And lo it doth offend him to his deepest core sayeth the Lord..........
Atch   
5 Nov 2015
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

Good morning Wulkan. I'm always up early being married to a Pole! He's gone to work now and I'm happily munching my cornflakes. I would agree that if you classify Czech Republic as Central Europe, then why not Poland, even though a large part of it is located further east than its neighbour. However there's no doubt that Poland is perceived/defined by many as Eastern Europe. Now here we go with sources: Bear in mind that geographical definitions are one thing and popular perception is another. But here are some samples, quotes in bold, not to be rude or shouty, just to highlight them for quick reference:

goeasteurope.about.com/od/easterneuropedestinations/ss/Countries-Of-Eastern-Europe.htm. From a travel site, quote: it's important to note that the countries broadly classified as being a part of Eastern Europe have one thing in common: they were all behind the Iron Curtain before its fall, and this political boundary of the last century helps us define a region whose development, especially until the 1990s, has been very different from that of Western Europe.

United Nations Statistics Division unstats.un.org/unsd/pocketbook/PDF/Poland.pdf

Quote: Region:Eastern Europe

The EU classifies Poland as both Eastern and Central Europe for different purposes. For example it defines the language as belonging to Eastern Europe which in my opinion is a fair definition. It's clearly a Slavic language. For God's sake my husband can understand Russian! He doesn't speak it now Wulkan but he always seems to know what they're talking about.

Obviously Poland is located more or less in the centre of Europe and its culture reflects this. Polish culture is a mix of east and west and to be honest I see a lot of similarities with Germany (another red rag to a bull I suppose!), but there's no getting away from the fact that being a former communist country places it firmly in the Eastern Bloc in the minds of many. This is a period of transition. Poland is quite unique because as I say it has both western and eastern influences in its culture and it will probably always be a contentious issue but as time goes by and the image of the old Iron Curtain thing recedes, people will simply see Poland as plain old European with no east or west tagged on to it.
Atch   
5 Nov 2015
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

Most Poles also physically look more Eastern Europeans.

Some do, they have those broad faces with high cheekbones and the deep set eyes but lots of them don't look like that at all.

Czech Republic, even in the provinces, it is more "westernized" (

That's a good one too, more details please.

I think she means because it was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire and absorbed a lot of German influences. I had a friend at school whose grandparents were ostensibly Czech but they were pure Austrian in all respects, right down to the Sachertorte!
Atch   
5 Nov 2015
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

I have never seen any old western woman covering their head

They certainly did in Ireland and you can't get any further west than that! It evolved from the shawl that was worn round the head. You're starting to do your 'I am so vereee French and superieur' thing. Remember ma petite, the other children don't like that.......
Atch   
5 Nov 2015
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

When I first saw the bit about older womens' underwear I thought 'Oh God, some weirdo' but no, it was just yourself under a guest name, what a relief! I' m interested InPolska, have you spent much time in countries further east?
Atch   
5 Nov 2015
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

I'm talking about 2015 not about the 19th or early 20th century

Ok, fair enough but in Ireland during the 1970s and 1980s older women born in rural areas still wore the headscarf when they were working outdoors. My grandmother was one of them. She grew up on a farm and even though she had lived in the city since she was about twenty, and was a very well dressed lady who always wore a hat and gloves when she went out shopping or visiting, she donned a headscarf and boots when working in the garden and her dresses were always long. If you saw a pic of her in that garb she could easily pass for an Eastern European 'peasant'. So thirty or forty years ago, it was a common sight in Ireland, just as it is in parts of Poland now. However I doubt that the younger generation will continue the practice any more than they did in Ireland. As the older generation dies out so will the custom of the headscarf.

(another example I've just found: painting eggs),

But they paint eggs in Germany too. Does that make Germans more eastern in their culture??

they just feel it's not really accurate. They know they're a sort of mix of these different cultures. They cannot consider themselves Eastern (only)

Spot on as Jon would say. They are a mixture.

By the way InPolska you mention their 'mentality' quite a lot. In what way do you see the Polish mentality as Eastern (taking communism out of the picture, we're all aware of the old Iron Curtain vibe that still prevails to some extent, but that has nothing to do with being a Slav).
Atch   
5 Nov 2015
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

it enabled Polish people to stay away from western falseness and hence fostered natural, healthy behaviours

Well my husband is Polish and he certainly wouldn't share that view. He thinks it fostered dishonesty,criminality, paranoia, apathy, hostility towards and suspicion of strangers. He's just old enough to remember the last years of the communist regime and how it was to live under it. Soviet communism was a tremendous evil that caused great misery to hundreds of millions of people.
Atch   
5 Nov 2015
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

Social relationships are also more formal for instance

InPolska you come from a country that has exactly the same formalities as the Polish language, addressing people with vous rather than tu just as Germany has du and sie. I don't think the average German business man trots up to a client with 'Tchuss' - I think that's the word for 'Hi' in German. You know what I mean anyway.

@Atch: you keep talking to us about YOUR husband

What are you so cross about?? I'm not presenting a dissertation you know, I'm just chatting with other human beings and that's how people chat.

I refer and call people by their first names right away and I realize that it's a bit "weird" here.

Maybe you shouldn't. Maybe you should accept that their culture is different and respect their cultural norms. Cheeky.

moved answer:
@Atch: not only grammar is very different in these 2 languages (normal ;)) but also people don't address others and don't talk about them the SAME way.