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Our (UK) Trash tabloid has this exclusive story on the Sobibór Nazi death camp in south-east Poland


paulinska 9 | 86
2 Nov 2015  #1
How true is this? This is a very trashy news paper, so i normally take what they write with a pitch of salt, but seeing this is a sensitive issue, i'm intrigued!

As for Mr Tadeusz, would you blame him?!

Looters have dug up mass graves belonging to Jewish WWII holocaust victims in the hunt for treasure, MailOnline can reveal.

The museum at the Sobibór Nazi death camp in south-east Poland, where up to 300,000 Jews were executed, found the sites have been disturbed by suspected gold hunters within the last two years.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3295228/EXCLUSIVE-Jewish-Holocaust-victims-graves-dug-hunt-treasure-Shocking-photos-reveal-looters-disturb-mass-burial-sites-Poland-s-Sobib-r-Nazi-death-camp.html
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,664
2 Nov 2015  #2
I know the Mail does have a certain political agenda, but actually it has some interesting stories that are well written and verifiable.
So calling it "trash" is a bit inaccurate.
Oddly I was reading about Sobibor, Majdanek, Auschwitz and so on over the weekend. I think people are capable of anything, actually.
Lyzko 20 | 6,342
2 Nov 2015  #3
I'm only personally familiar with the plaque inside the Buchenwald Camp, not far from Weimar, Germany. On it, virtually NOTHING is written concerning the fact that a large percentage of those killed were Jews, merely, that they were "Communist freedom fighters", at war with the Faschist State of the Nazis!!

Talk about white-washing history.

:-)
jon357 63 | 14,121
2 Nov 2015  #4
So calling it "trash" is a bit inaccurate

Agreed. It's a tacky thread title, as ever shooting the messenger.

Either the guy's built a barn out of people's gravestones and is charging people to see it or he hasn't.
Harry
3 Nov 2015  #5
Merged: Looters dig up Holocaust victims' graves at Nazi death camp Sobibor in hunt for gold

Really not good to read this, I thought Poland had got past such sickening behaviour.

Graves of Holocaust victims at Nazi WWII death camp Sobibór plundered, it is claimed
Sobibór museum staff in archaeological dig found mass graves disturbed
U.S historian Jan Goss previously claimed graves of Treblinka victims were raided in WWII gold rush
Shocking photos show Jewish tombstones in Hebrew used to build a toilet, patio and a cowshed in German occupied Poland

Full article here:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3295228/EXCLUSIVE-Jewish-Holocaust-victims-graves-dug-hunt-treasure-Shocking-photos-reveal-looters-disturb-mass-burial-sites-Poland-s-Sobib-r-Nazi-death-camp.html
G (undercover)
3 Nov 2015  #6
" 'We don't know who did it, but we suspect they were looking for gold or metal.' "

"historian Gross"

Ah :))))) The H. industry keeps rolling on. Oy vey !
Polsyr 6 | 769
3 Nov 2015  #7
There are thieves in every corner of the world, and totalitarian rulers work(ed) hard to weaken moral deterrent. I wonder what the anticipated new government is going to do about it, if anything.
G (undercover)
3 Nov 2015  #8
"I wonder what the anticipated new government is going to do about it"

About what ?
Harry
3 Nov 2015  #9
"historian Gross"

A professor of history at one of the best universities in the world, yes.

I wonder what the anticipated new government is going to do about it, if anything.

My money would be on denying that there is any problem at all, then blaming any digging that has taken place on people who've nipped over the very nearby border with Belarus and quite possibly attempting to deport the journalist who has broken the story.
G (undercover)
3 Nov 2015  #10
"A professor of history at one of the best universities in the world, yes."

Are you his agent or just promote him due to ethnic loyalty ? The man is shytstorian.

"My money would be on denying that there is any problem at all"

My money wouldn't be bet on anything. So far there's DM's article which is pretty much 3 lines long and "quote" some anonymous "museum source". The rest is promotion of shytstorian's "works". The article was by the way written by some "expat" from Poland (your buddy ?) I wouldn't be surprised If the guy was simply struggling due to wages for "native speakers" going down, so he came up with this nonsense to make a living.

Any source in Polish on this one ?
Harry
3 Nov 2015  #11
DM's article which is pretty much 3 lines long

Why do you even bother telling such utterly pointless lies? The Daily Mail article is actually more than two thousand seven hundred words long (2,742 to be exact).
G (undercover)
3 Nov 2015  #12
Vast majority of that text is not an article but a review of "works" of the Polonophobic psycho.

Do you have any news in Polish about this "shocking event" ? No ? Let me guess, due to conspiracy by Polish nationalists/fascists/anti-semites ?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,664
3 Nov 2015  #13
Do you have any news in Polish about this "shocking event"

well it is not really the sort of thing that makes the news there is it?
What with Jewish cemetaries covered over years ago, often to make parks.
Given the history of the region, I do not see it as that shocking. They are just lumps of stone and I doubt if the Hebrew writing even means anything to the farmer in the article. I mean he obviously is not the sharpest tool in the box is he?
G (undercover)
3 Nov 2015  #14
"well it is not really the sort of thing that makes the news there is it? "

What do you mean ?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,664
3 Nov 2015  #15
it is a fairly unambiguous comment, G.
G (undercover)
3 Nov 2015  #16
You mean looting mass graves wouldn't make a news in Poland ?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,664
3 Nov 2015  #17
probably not no, not if they were Jewish graves.
Am starting to regret getting into this one now...:)
Harry
3 Nov 2015  #18
I doubt if the Hebrew writing even means anything to the farmer in the article.

So why is he charging money (or vodka) for people to look at the things? He know that's Yiddish and he knows exactly what those stones are, that's why he's asking for the price of a house for them

As for Mr Tadeusz, would you blame him?!

Yes, the man is utter scum and a disgrace to Poland.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,664
3 Nov 2015  #19
sorry to split hairs Hazzer but it is Hebrew not Yiddish. Never mind.
well then he must know. He does have a venal look about him.
G (undercover)
3 Nov 2015  #20
"probably not no, not if they were Jewish graves. "

So you think that looting mass graves of victims of the so called Holocaust wouldn't make a news in Poland ? You people are so ignorant, no wonder it's so easy to brainwash you.

"So why is he charging money (or vodka) for people to look at the things? "

One could also wonder who (allegedly) pays him and what that peasant has to do with alleged looting of the mass graves.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,664
3 Nov 2015  #21
You people are so ignorant, no wonder it's so easy to brainwash you.

one thing I am not 'G' is 'ignorant'. I have read widely and studied at university as well as spending time in many different countries.

I am entitled to comment or have my own opinion.
You sound deluded by the way, if you want to talk about 'brainwashing'.

have a nice day!
G (undercover)
3 Nov 2015  #22
"I am entitled to comment or have my own opinion."

And I am entitled to call your comments what it is -> nonsense. If any large scale looting of mass graves were discovered, this story would be on the headlines over here for days. Either nothing happened or someone found several holes of unknown origin.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,664
3 Nov 2015  #23
that is fine G say what you like. Perhaps you are right. but I am not ignorant thank you..:)
So do you think the Mail photos are a fake? or photoshopped?
Atch 17 | 2,776
3 Nov 2015  #24
G -what-ever- you-call-yourself, what are you in such a lather about? These things do happen you know.

'looting at Holocaust sites is a widely recognised issue amongst museum and memorial custodians'. quote from Holocaust Archaeologies: Approaches and Future Directions By Caroline Sturdy Colls
G (undercover)
3 Nov 2015  #25
Which ? The ones of archaeological works in progress ?
Atch 17 | 2,776
3 Nov 2015  #26
Both. In some cases graves were looted many years ago and she talks about looting in the Netherlands so if it happens in Poland, it's just part of a sad and shameful pattern but that's life isn't it? You know the old saying, 'there is so much bad in the best of us and so much good in the worst of us that it ill-behooves any of us to talk about the rest of us.'
G (undercover)
3 Nov 2015  #27
Both DM "article" and H. "person" that posted it here, make impression that there have been some looting going on right now or recently and that this event provoked the whole story including bringing up some tombstones madman. Nothing of that sort has happened. It's a non-story, a compilation on alleged "Polish antisemitism" based mainly on "works" of one psycho.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,664
3 Nov 2015  #28
So do you think the Mail photos are a fake? or photoshopped?

waiting for an answer G..:)
Atch 17 | 2,776
3 Nov 2015  #29
Well, look, I'd say that this:

a) it's quite possible that graves were looted at some point. Looting happens in war time and the bodies of fallen soldiers are looted and robbed too so it's just a horrible aspect of human nature.

b) I agree that the story doesn't make it clear when the looting supposedly took place, how recent was it?
c) I don't think the story is a complete fabrication as the museum authorities are quite at liberty to come out and make a statement to that effect ie there's been no looting that we know of. They haven't done that so far and the story has now broken worldwide and is being reported by many other newspapers so if it's all nonsense then I'd expect the museum to say so at some point quite soon.
G (undercover)
3 Nov 2015  #30
waiting for an answer G..:)

Again. Which photos ? The ones of archaeological works in progress ?


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