News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


They do change but it's a slow, evolutionary process that cannot be "ordered" with one document.


Tradition is like a framework on which you can fit new rules and laws when needed. But remove the framework and you're left with nothing.


Ha! :-) You don't see nothing admirable in rebelling against tyranny of the state. You call a disobedience in face of totalitarian state "juvenile". I'm not overly surprised. You've got a totalitarian mind my friend. This way of thinking has lead Germany into "trouble" in the past and will continue to do so in the future.

I guess if not for Poland the East Germany would still be a communist state to this day, heh.

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

By "societies following imprinted moral conduct" I don't mean some neo-marxist framework of enforced fake tolerance :-)

I'm simply saying that the set of rules must be grounded in a traditional moral principles of a society. If it isn't, it simply won't last.

I think the main problem is that Germans believe in all-powerful state to which an individual have to submit. And in Poland people would rebel and disobey the state if it drifts away too far from a natural law.

More on that: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law


Interesting fact: in Poland, there's a highest ratio of women to men on SEO and CEO positions in Europe [44% to 56%]. Polish women achieved that on their own merits since there are no state-enforced affirmative actions in Poland.

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

Yes, that's all fine. What I would like to clarify is that there are two types of societies in this regard:

Society #1: in which is ruled by the set of rules which is enforced on them by the ruling body. This set of rules may be resented by the society in the future when the political situation may suddenly change.

Society #2: in which moral principles were deeply imprinted into its collective mind for generations and then manifested itself into the codified set of rules [by default].

Which one, in your opinion, is modern Germany?

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


The rule of law is all fine, but it needs to be based on certain principles [what is lawful/legal and what is not] and those principles are based on ethic and ideas [which behaviour is appropriate and which is not] . In Europe it is obviously based on 3 massive pillars: Greek philosophy and ethics, Roman law and Christianity. Remove one [or more] and the whole construction collapse.

The weakness of law which is not deeply rooted in ethics and morals is especially visible in times of chaos like war or revolution. When the law enforcement doesn't work as it should be some societies become barbaric while others still remain human.

Same as with kids: one kid is good only when parents are watching and the other one behaves even when there's no one around to discipline him.

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

Yes, for Germans there should be a set of strict rules so you behave :-P

@Bratwurst Boy, I wasn't talking about Hegelian philosophy which inspired Marxism or heavily distorted Nietzschean philosophy which inspired nazism. Especially the works of Nietzsche were bastardized by dull German Nazis to the point that they didn't even resembled the original ideas.

I was talking about inspiring ideas of Aristotelian and Platonic philosophy and ethics which has guided Europe for centuries to become the brightest point on the map of this world. It was so powerful that most people don't even realize how much impact it still has on our way of thinking.

And also in a wider sense, no set of rules will help to keep order when a given society doesn't follow moral and ethical values.

Imagine living in a town full of thugs [unethical society] and fitting a reinforced doors [strict rules] to keep them away. Sooner or later they will break in, no matter how strong your locks are. The brute force will prevail.

And now imagine living in a village full of people who follow a certain moral and ethical code. You don't even have to lock your doors to feel safe...

As a side note: my grandparents do indeed live in a village in Poland in which most people don't lock the doors when they go out to church or to visit their neighbours. So this parable is based on facts :-)

History / Occupation of Eastern Poland in 1939 [97]


I would rather say that we are a freedom loving nation, but I get what you mean :-)

"rebels and trouble makers"

I imagine that's how Brits called those nasty Americans during American Revolutionary War at the end of XVIII century

History / Occupation of Eastern Poland in 1939 [97]


If they wanted to have a buffer they would rather support Poland against the German invasion. I would argue that they wanted to remove the 'obstacle' for their future invasion on Europe.

I would agree with Victor Suvorov on this one:

"Suvorov challenges the view that Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime attacked an unsuspecting USSR on June 22, 1941 with a much superior and better prepared force. Instead, Suvorov argues that the Soviet Union was poised to invade Nazi-controlled territories in July 1941.

Suvorov claims that Stalin successfully manipulated Hitler into removing the "buffer zone" (Poland) between Europe and the USSR. Suvorov further argues that Stalin's goal was the export of communism to other countries"

/wiki/Icebreaker_(Suvorov)

The fact that many historians criticize his thesis but not the facts and numbers cited in the book adds to his credibility.

Just because Hitler was a bloodthirsty maniac doesn't make Stalin a peace loving animal. They both wanted to expand their rule over Europe. The difference is that the USSR has "won" and their narrative became the standard version of history tough in schools.

History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]

That's true. Soviet State was ruled mostly by international communists with roots from all over former Russian Empire and Eastern Europe. Not many ethnic Russians were executives in Politburo and secret police

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]


A message from France, 13 May 2011. I can only imagine what he would have written now...

Life / Moving to Poland, Ireland, Belgium or Finland? [15]


And I watched Krecik [Krtek] cartoons as a kid so we're even :-P

Two years ago I've visited Moravia on my way to Venice. I made a detour from highway and found myself driving through some small villages with houses covered in green and nice gardens in front of them. It looked similar to Lesser Poland region.

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]

Intermarium [Miedzymorze] and the new project called Three Seas Initiative is the only way for Poland and Central Europe to release itself form grips of German politico-economic project of Mitteleuropa.

For 3SI to truly work it needs to be more than just a political project. All Central European countries should be interconnected with strong economical connections.

So a construction of Via Carpathia highway [which has already started] from Poland to Greece and LNG pipeline from Poland to Croatia are both more important than any political meetings.

My only concern is that I think we shouldn't include Austria in this project cause they may become a trojan horse in the future.

History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]


Yes, mostly. Yet, Soviet Russia has attacked Poland with Nazi Germany in September 1939. It's not a theory of mine. It's just a common known fact. The secret protocol of Ribbentrop-Molotov pact was made public in 1989 so anyone can access it. Even Vladimir Putin has condemned that pact.

So let's not build a future Polish-Russian relations on a lie but rather face the truth.

News / An EU army. Impact on Poland [155]


Poland should be neutral as long as it is possible in face of aggression but should be able to face any potential aggressor.
Being military neutral is not the same as being disarmed.
In my opinion Poland should, and will, arm itself to a level where it becomes too hard to mess with by the neighbours ie. where the cost of attacking Poland would be too high compared to any possible benefits of such move.

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


I agree, however, the framework should be as not intrusive as possible. The ideal state would be to follow (and be ruled by) an idea and not by set of rules. If you have to make a specific set of rules for each area of life for society to function 'properly' that means that your civilisation is already dying.

Life / Stereotypes about Polish people being stupid? [281]

It's just a first prototype. Do you remember the humble beginnings of Space X? :-)

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


Modern media and education systems have taught us to confuse meanings and definitions of simplest things.

Let's see what wikipedia has to say on this subject. And since wikipedia is far from right-leaning source to say the least there's no pro-right bias here: copy-paste=removed

That's where the devil lies. Chauvinism such as nazism and fascism is based on hating and eliminating other nations and not just loving your own. Many media outlets wants to put a " = " sign between Nationalism and Chauvenism/Nazism/Fascism which is simply not true.

Basically Patriotism puts an esteem on the love of your homeland, Nationalism on the love of your nation and Chauvinism such as Nazis and Fascism on inviding and eliminating "competing" nations.

Let's say there's a village and in that village there are three families.

The father of the first family loves his land, he cultivates it and take care of it.

In the second family father loves his bloodline [his children] the most and takes care of them.

And in the third family the head of a family, coincidentally named Adolf, hates both of his neighbors. He kills the children of his neighbours and then torch their houses and stables.

Life / Stereotypes about Polish people being stupid? [281]

Poland can into space :-)

youtu.be/yCrlzO02tMs

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


Miroslaw, that's a common misconception.

Chauvenism, such as Nazism and Fascism suggests superiority.

Nationalism simply states the love of your nation and Patriotism means a love of your country.

News / An EU army. Impact on Poland [155]


I believe that this change was quite superficial and enforced on them after WWII.

Let's not forget about German mentality. Order them to be "tolerant" and they will seem to be the most tolerant nation on this planet. They will invite millions of illegals and pay for their stay.

But let's say the political climate suddenly change. The same people may open concentration camps for those new 'refugees' sooner than you can imagine.

Lyzko, if you like moderation Germany is not the place for you to be.

News / An EU army. Impact on Poland [155]


A "talking shop" which stopped the descent of illegal "refugees" on Central Europe. Can I have more "talking shops" like this one please :-)


Merkel's day of glory are long gone. She made a huge political mistake in 2015 and she is paying for it now. Her voice, and indeed a voice of Germany, is not as strong as it used to be. So I think that this new "EU army" project will remain in a sphere of eurocrat wet dreams.

Bye, Mutti Merkel and thanks for strengthening Poland and the V4

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


Lyzko, to me Nationalism is a moderate way in this crazy modern world. Especially such a type of nationalism which is dominant in Poland and which is based on Christian Personalism.

It lies in the middle between extreme Chauvinism such as Nazism/Fascism and Neo-Marxism.

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


I couldn't word it better.

Yet when you let them talk, and stick to the facts, they will start making fools of themselves sooner rather than later. The goal is not to convince the troll but the others who may read it.

Let him talk and reap the benefits :-)

News / An EU army. Impact on Poland [155]


Sure it would: "refugee" crisis which has started the fall of Angela Merkel, a wave of terrorist attacks in Western Europe, Brexit, the rise of a Conservative government in Poland (which will btw. block such a project as an EU army), political changes in Austria and Italy, Trump presidency, and the rise of V4 and inception of Three Seas Initiative project...all of this has happened in just a last 3 years.


Yes, I cannot wait to see what happens next myself :-)

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Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong

~George Soros

News / An EU army. Impact on Poland [155]

Here's a very interesting material about it :

youtu.be/qKtaE2sezE4

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

OK, so left-leaning Western media have started their usual narrative about Independence March. Nothing new here.
Instead of arguing with them I took a look at French festivities to compare them with the march in Warsaw.

Bastille Day in Paris [July 2018]:

Cars torched: 850 (900 in 2017 so there's a progress...)

Police have arrested 237 individuals, including 92 minors, for wreaking havoc in the Paris area

Polish Independence Day [Nov 2018]:

Cars torched: 0

No one got arrested and there was no havok

france.timesofnews.com/french-burn-850-cars-on-bastille-day-but-why-do-they-do-it

thelocal.fr/20180716/850-cars-torched-across-france-on-bastille-day-weekend

I guess there's a long way for Poland to learn Western 'culture'...


It is, Atch, but the devil is in the detail. I would support the new, improved "EU" which would only consist of a single [free] European market for goods and services. And nothing more, just the exchange of good, services and labour.

No political structure whatsoever. A union of a free, independent countries with their own monetary and political systems and laws.

News / 'Fort Trump' Military Base in Poland [537]

This is a real threat to Europe:

France and Germany wants to build an "EU Army" which in the future may be used to "discipline" the EU members which are not willing to submit to the neo marxist madness of the EU bureaucrats.

"We have to protect ourselves with respect to China, Russia and even the United States of America."

So a French boy with oedipus complex sees America as a military threat to France and Europe...

telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/13/trump-says-french-learning-german-paris-us-intervened-world/

politico.eu/article/macron-wants-europe-to-build-its-own-military-hardware/

politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-emmanuel-macron-eu-army-to-complement-nato

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

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I'm not attacking you personally, I'm attacking German mentality as a whole which you represent. It's a self-defense from Polish perspective really. Germany has always, and it still does, tried to control Poland in every possible way.

That didn't change in a recent years since the Bundesrepublik is still using it's soft power: political influence, mass media, economical power to enforce certain decisions on Poland which are against Polish interests.

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

@Bratwurst Boy, all jokes no substance, yes? :-)

No "national identity based on culture, language, religion" doesn't directly translates into "belief in national superiority"

One can value and protect his own cultural identity and integrity without feeling superior to the others, especially in an aggressive way.

Life / Why do Polish people love to say "No" to anything you ask? [12]


Maybe you should start asking different questions, my friend :-)

Here are few examples:

"may I offer you a place to sit [on a train]?"

"would you like me to invite you to a fancy restaurant, I'm paying?"

"Doesn't this politician look like a halfwit?"

"Nobody cooks better that grandma, am I right?"

I guarantee you'll hear "yes" more often

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


Can't you see a clear difference between Nationalism and Chauvinism?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

So yes, Poland wants to be free from outside interference and wants to keep its national identity based on culture, language, religion (...)

and

Chauvinism is a form of extreme patriotism and a belief in national superiority and glory. Whereas patriotism and nationalism may represent temperate pride, chauvinism is intemperate. It can be also defined as "an irrational belief in the superiority or dominance of one's own group or people".[1] Moreover, the chauvinist's own people are seen as unique and special while the rest of the people are considered weak or inferior.

Just because in Germany nationalism lead to chauvinism doesn't mean that other countries can't have a healthy nationalism. You'll have to accept that Germans may be not the smartest nation on this planet and others can handle things better than you do.

O maybe I'm overestimating you Bratwurst Boy. You aren't on the same intellectual level as, let's say, delphiandomine, are you?