News / An EU army. Impact on Poland [155]


Poland should be neutral as long as it is possible in face of aggression but should be able to face any potential aggressor.
Being military neutral is not the same as being disarmed.
In my opinion Poland should, and will, arm itself to a level where it becomes too hard to mess with by the neighbours ie. where the cost of attacking Poland would be too high compared to any possible benefits of such move.

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


I agree, however, the framework should be as not intrusive as possible. The ideal state would be to follow (and be ruled by) an idea and not by set of rules. If you have to make a specific set of rules for each area of life for society to function 'properly' that means that your civilisation is already dying.

Life / Stereotypes about Polish people being stupid? [281]

It's just a first prototype. Do you remember the humble beginnings of Space X? :-)

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


Modern media and education systems have taught us to confuse meanings and definitions of simplest things.

Let's see what wikipedia has to say on this subject. And since wikipedia is far from right-leaning source to say the least there's no pro-right bias here: copy-paste=removed

That's where the devil lies. Chauvinism such as nazism and fascism is based on hating and eliminating other nations and not just loving your own. Many media outlets wants to put a " = " sign between Nationalism and Chauvenism/Nazism/Fascism which is simply not true.

Basically Patriotism puts an esteem on the love of your homeland, Nationalism on the love of your nation and Chauvinism such as Nazis and Fascism on inviding and eliminating "competing" nations.

Let's say there's a village and in that village there are three families.

The father of the first family loves his land, he cultivates it and take care of it.

In the second family father loves his bloodline [his children] the most and takes care of them.

And in the third family the head of a family, coincidentally named Adolf, hates both of his neighbors. He kills the children of his neighbours and then torch their houses and stables.

Life / Stereotypes about Polish people being stupid? [281]

Poland can into space :-)

youtu.be/yCrlzO02tMs

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


Miroslaw, that's a common misconception.

Chauvenism, such as Nazism and Fascism suggests superiority.

Nationalism simply states the love of your nation and Patriotism means a love of your country.

News / An EU army. Impact on Poland [155]


I believe that this change was quite superficial and enforced on them after WWII.

Let's not forget about German mentality. Order them to be "tolerant" and they will seem to be the most tolerant nation on this planet. They will invite millions of illegals and pay for their stay.

But let's say the political climate suddenly change. The same people may open concentration camps for those new 'refugees' sooner than you can imagine.

Lyzko, if you like moderation Germany is not the place for you to be.

News / An EU army. Impact on Poland [155]


A "talking shop" which stopped the descent of illegal "refugees" on Central Europe. Can I have more "talking shops" like this one please :-)


Merkel's day of glory are long gone. She made a huge political mistake in 2015 and she is paying for it now. Her voice, and indeed a voice of Germany, is not as strong as it used to be. So I think that this new "EU army" project will remain in a sphere of eurocrat wet dreams.

Bye, Mutti Merkel and thanks for strengthening Poland and the V4

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


Lyzko, to me Nationalism is a moderate way in this crazy modern world. Especially such a type of nationalism which is dominant in Poland and which is based on Christian Personalism.

It lies in the middle between extreme Chauvinism such as Nazism/Fascism and Neo-Marxism.

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


I couldn't word it better.

Yet when you let them talk, and stick to the facts, they will start making fools of themselves sooner rather than later. The goal is not to convince the troll but the others who may read it.

Let him talk and reap the benefits :-)

News / An EU army. Impact on Poland [155]


Sure it would: "refugee" crisis which has started the fall of Angela Merkel, a wave of terrorist attacks in Western Europe, Brexit, the rise of a Conservative government in Poland (which will btw. block such a project as an EU army), political changes in Austria and Italy, Trump presidency, and the rise of V4 and inception of Three Seas Initiative project...all of this has happened in just a last 3 years.


Yes, I cannot wait to see what happens next myself :-)

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Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong

~George Soros

News / An EU army. Impact on Poland [155]

Here's a very interesting material about it :

youtu.be/qKtaE2sezE4

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

OK, so left-leaning Western media have started their usual narrative about Independence March. Nothing new here.
Instead of arguing with them I took a look at French festivities to compare them with the march in Warsaw.

Bastille Day in Paris [July 2018]:

Cars torched: 850 (900 in 2017 so there's a progress...)

Police have arrested 237 individuals, including 92 minors, for wreaking havoc in the Paris area

Polish Independence Day [Nov 2018]:

Cars torched: 0

No one got arrested and there was no havok

france.timesofnews.com/french-burn-850-cars-on-bastille-day-but-why-do-they-do-it

thelocal.fr/20180716/850-cars-torched-across-france-on-bastille-day-weekend

I guess there's a long way for Poland to learn Western 'culture'...


It is, Atch, but the devil is in the detail. I would support the new, improved "EU" which would only consist of a single [free] European market for goods and services. And nothing more, just the exchange of good, services and labour.

No political structure whatsoever. A union of a free, independent countries with their own monetary and political systems and laws.

News / 'Fort Trump' Military Base in Poland [537]

This is a real threat to Europe:

France and Germany wants to build an "EU Army" which in the future may be used to "discipline" the EU members which are not willing to submit to the neo marxist madness of the EU bureaucrats.

"We have to protect ourselves with respect to China, Russia and even the United States of America."

So a French boy with oedipus complex sees America as a military threat to France and Europe...

telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/13/trump-says-french-learning-german-paris-us-intervened-world/

politico.eu/article/macron-wants-europe-to-build-its-own-military-hardware/

politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-emmanuel-macron-eu-army-to-complement-nato

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

Kuwait



Croatia



Estonia



Lithuania




I'm not attacking you personally, I'm attacking German mentality as a whole which you represent. It's a self-defense from Polish perspective really. Germany has always, and it still does, tried to control Poland in every possible way.

That didn't change in a recent years since the Bundesrepublik is still using it's soft power: political influence, mass media, economical power to enforce certain decisions on Poland which are against Polish interests.

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

@Bratwurst Boy, all jokes no substance, yes? :-)

No "national identity based on culture, language, religion" doesn't directly translates into "belief in national superiority"

One can value and protect his own cultural identity and integrity without feeling superior to the others, especially in an aggressive way.

Life / Why do Polish people love to say "No" to anything you ask? [12]


Maybe you should start asking different questions, my friend :-)

Here are few examples:

"may I offer you a place to sit [on a train]?"

"would you like me to invite you to a fancy restaurant, I'm paying?"

"Doesn't this politician look like a halfwit?"

"Nobody cooks better that grandma, am I right?"

I guarantee you'll hear "yes" more often

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


Can't you see a clear difference between Nationalism and Chauvinism?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

So yes, Poland wants to be free from outside interference and wants to keep its national identity based on culture, language, religion (...)

and

Chauvinism is a form of extreme patriotism and a belief in national superiority and glory. Whereas patriotism and nationalism may represent temperate pride, chauvinism is intemperate. It can be also defined as "an irrational belief in the superiority or dominance of one's own group or people".[1] Moreover, the chauvinist's own people are seen as unique and special while the rest of the people are considered weak or inferior.

Just because in Germany nationalism lead to chauvinism doesn't mean that other countries can't have a healthy nationalism. You'll have to accept that Germans may be not the smartest nation on this planet and others can handle things better than you do.

O maybe I'm overestimating you Bratwurst Boy. You aren't on the same intellectual level as, let's say, delphiandomine, are you?

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


That's a misinterpretation. Their grounding was in national chauvinism not a nationalism

"Whereas patriotism and nationalism may represent temperate pride, chauvinism is intemperate. It can be also defined as "an irrational belief in the superiority or dominance of one's own group or people.

Moreover, the chauvinist's own people are seen as unique and special while the rest of the people are considered weak or inferior"

Don't speak to me in neo marxist newspeak, Bratwurst Boy. Don't insult the intelligence of PolishForums members :-)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauvinism

And here's the link to Eiffel Tower illumination for Polish Independence Day...

twitter.com/notesfrompoland/status/1061675186313924609

Niagara Falls, Canada



Los Angeles, US



Helsinki, Finland



And New Zealand

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

This is how the World celebrated Polish Independence Day

New York



Dubai ,Burj Khalifa



Egypt



Hungary



Paris

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

Quarter million Polish patriots have marched on the streets of Warsaw in celebration of the Independence Day. Unity makes strength.

All the criticism of such an event sounds like a silent fart next to a Thunder :-]

youtu.be/k98_6793bkk




Wrong, Bratwurst Boy:

Patriots = Love their country and want what's best for it.

Nationalists: = Love their nation and want what's best for it.

Nazis and Fascists = Hate other countries and wish them the worst

Nationalism is a political, social, and economic system characterized by the promotion of the interests of a particular nation, (...) The political ideology of nationalism holds that a nation should govern itself, free from outside interference and is linked to the concept of self-determination. Nationalism is further oriented towards developing and maintaining a national identity based on shared, social characteristics, such as culture and language, religion and politics, and a belief in a common ancestry.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

Great news.

The Independence March organisers and the President [with a Government] have negotiated a deal. There will be one large march yet both of the groups will be autonomous within it.

Very sensible deal.

wpolityce.pl/polityka/420500-porozumienie-rzadu-i-organizatorow-marszu-niepodleglosci

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


This is not a matter of winning or losing. And also I hardly see any valid or even sensible arguments here on this thread.


You have to understand that this just a margin of a margin. Those people don't represent the views of expats - which as a whole are just a small group of people living in Poland - but only a handful of expats active on this forum.

Few are smart, others are confused, some are clueless or too much attached to their own woldview to understand Poland.

And few are very frustrated and immune to any possible logical arguments :-)

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

I will answer your question but first I'll make a few corrections. Instead of:


Should be:


I not only defend them but I also support them.


I don't get involved with British politics.
Since I'm only a guest here in the UK I don't want to interfere with local politics. I don't feel that I have right to do so and I also don't want to look like an complete fool who doesn't understand a complicated socio-political situation in the country.

History / Occupation of Eastern Poland in 1939 [97]


Vlad, let's be clear about one fact right from the beginning: in 1939 Soviet and German actions were coordinated by The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact:

"In addition to stipulations of non-aggression, the treaty included a secret protocol that divided territories of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, and Romania into German and Soviet "spheres of influence","

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


Atch, let's say that I don't believe that you're about to drink a coffee. Does that change the fact that a warm liquid may be filling up your belly right now? :-)

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


You should rather focus on real problems like those German neo-nazis celebrating a birthday of German nazi Rudolf Hess (a deputy of Adolf Hitler) just last summer [Aug 2017] in Berlin:

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/neo-nazis-berlin-ruidolf-hess-a7901771.html



instead of being so "concerned" with Polish Independence March.

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


So let's focus on facts and not on a subjective outlook of "acts that never happened", Atch. Cause if we follow this line of thinking then we can justify or criticize virtually anything and anyone regardless of their past deeds, crimes or affiliations.

Jozef Mackiewicz has once famously said: "Only the truth is interesting"

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


Well, HGW with her ban on march has enraged not only right-wingers and conservatives but she is also being criticized by centrists and even left-wingers like Barbara Nowacka.

Many moderate and centrist public figures and political commentators like Cezary Gmyz and Krzysztof Stanowski have publicly declared that they will attend Independence March to make a statement that are against limiting civil rights of Poles.

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

It amuses me how those who aren't even ethnic Poles are the ones who knows best how Poles should, or even must, think and do.

Regular Poles would not take seriously such a nonsense spoken in broken Polish so the only real recipients of such a content are other expats on the internet forum :-).

Btw,The court has annulled the mayor's ban:

medianarodowe.com/marsz-niepodleglosci-wygral-w-sadzie/

The Independence March will take place as scheduled.