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that's exactly what I'm saying too and that's why, there's no need to pick on people for being Catholics, Jews or anyone else for that matter.

It is what it is and let's try to accept it at least. Of course, we are all entitled to our opinions, have our likes and dislikes. It's human after all. Love and hate is a as old as humanity and so it's very natural to have different opinions about different things but it doesn't mean that we have to make our lives miserable. Let's enjoy what we have because it certainly won't last forever.

News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]


yep, if we all followed that rule, the world would be a much better place to live in.

News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]


very sad indeed but if we're going to follow that path, I'm gonna end up posting crimes against humanity under communist regimes (atheists ofc) and trust me, the numbers will be way higher than any other crimes committed by anyone, anywhere else.

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you can but it won't change my opinion about people and their right to decide whether they're Catholics (or anyone else for that matter) or not.

Tell me, if you consider yourself an atheist (I don't know, just an example) and we'll all say, you're not, will our opinion make any difference in how you see yourself?


really, Harry? Is that what Catholics do?

"A young teenage girl, impregnated during a satanic ritual, is forcibly delivered of her nearly term baby, forced to ritually kill the child and then to cannibalize its heart as cult members watch. Another girl, a small child, is sealed inside the cavity of a disemboweled animal and "rebirthed" by her cultic captors during a ceremony"


so basically what you're saying is that most of the 92.2% are lying and or are too dumb to determine who they are.


Let's be honest DD, am I lying? ;-)


many bad things happened in the past (still are) and just about anyone was (is) involved in it. If you already mentioned Catholics, be fair and don't forget to mention the two biggest criminals of all times who happened to be commies and atheists, Mao and Stalin.


now, that is a complete assumption, more like a wishful thinking and you know it.

News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]


you see, the difference between us is that you see it all in definitions and numbers while I see the right of everyone to believe what he wants and if one calls himself a Catholic, so be it. Besides, if RCC had a problem with its believers it would act accordingly, don't you think?

No, I can't quote data from the RCC (neither can you, I assume or you would have already posted it) but any link I've found online about Polish Catholics, confirms pretty much the same percentage of Catholics in Poland.


well, this could be a reason (link below) why many people (even some atheists, I'm sure) would have a problem with Satanism

rickross.com/reference/satanism/satanism12.html

News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]


well, I'm sure you understand that if the RCC was so unhappy with its followers not fulfilling the requirements of the RCC, it would drastically narrow down the amount of Catholics in Poland.


yes, there are but they don't have many followers, not to my knowledge anyway.

Anyways, again I agree with you that they should be allowed to display their religious symbols as long as their religion doesn't support hatred and violence.


No one has the right to force others to believe what he believes but it works both ways, Harry. It means that just because you're an atheist or a Jew or whoever you are, you can't expect the 92.2% of Poles to act the way you want them to act and remove crosses allover Poland just because you and people who feel like you, don't like it or feel bothered by it.

Just let everyone display his religious symbols, like you said earlier and the world will be just fine.

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Neither laws nor definitions will ever make people what they don't want to be. I'm sure, you guys know it but you're politically so far left that it blinds your, otherwise healthy judgement. Most Poles are Catholics, accept it.


I agree with that part of your statement but obviously, in this particular case, there won't be many other symbols to display in Poland ;-)

Taking crosses down in Poland however is wrong because it suits very marginal parts of the society and at the same time, punishes the earlier mentioned, 92.2% of it.

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well, he obviously feels very Polish and he might be just as well, we simply don't know. Unless you can prove him wrong, he is what he says he is.


well, not quite. It happens to be that what they say here on PF, pretty much confirms what I've experienced in Poland.

according to the link below, 92.2% of Poles are Catholics and this is pretty much the impression I had when I was there.

natemat.pl/52507,ponad-35-mln-katolikow-w-polsce-najwiekszy-odsetek-na-swiecie

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he is if he says he is. How would you feel if someone would say, you're not Scottish? OK, you probably don't care (knowing you from PF) but many others do and you have to respect it but even if you don't, it won't change anything about how others feel about it.


well, the problem with that is that according to what I see on PF and to my personal observations while in Poland, it doesn't seem to have the same importance to many Poles as it has to you and people who feel like you (for obvious reasons, you love the secular thing about it, most Poles don't).

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taking into consideration that your constitution was written not too long ago and under different circumstances, I can understand why it doesn't have the same meaning to guys as ours has to us

News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]


If one says, he's a Catholic, he is one, end of story and so, anytime a Pole told me, he's a Catholic, I believed him (why wouldn't I?). Who am I ( (are we) to tell people, they are not what they say they are. I can have my own opinion about it but that's as far as it goes. Some people pray to God and some pray to Marx, what the heck. Why is that a problem, huh? Do we all have to pray to Marx?

Also, I don't understand why having a cross hanging on the wall is such a big problem to you guys. It was always present in Poland and if you don't like it, don't look at it, simple as that. You and your friends, praise yourself to be tolerant, now you have a chance to prove it, Harry.

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you mean, people I've met? C'mon man, you don't know any of them. To me, if you say, you're a Jew, you are a Jew, if you say, you're a Catholic, you're a Catholic. It's not for us to decide who's who.


btw. Suspended? he deserved to be suspended for some other comments he made in the past but not for this 1, c'mon guys.

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true but what I can say, most of those I've met and I've met many people there, were Catholics. I know, you guys hate to accept it but it's a fact.

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well Harry, the law can't change anything about how people feel about it (in any country, not just in Poland). According to what I've experienced in Poland, most Poles believe in God.

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not a good move. When there was no Poland, all Poles had was religion and hope that there will be a free Poland one day again. Now you guys come to their country and tell them to give up what helped them to survive for so many generations.........

....(almost forgot, of course there are some Polish, ex commie regime supporters among you too).

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it sounds like she's very committed (LOL)

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well, let Poles (who live in Poland) decide it. They have to live with their past and they need to know what's good for them and what's not. If I lived in Poland back then (1945-1989), I'd most likely hate it too.

Work / Female Juris Doctor/Native American Speaker/Jobs in Warsaw [59]

PM me ajlawju, I might be able to help you if you're willing to work in Lublin area.

Love / Goal: Meet a nice Polish girl! [62]

yep, most likely

Love / Goal: Meet a nice Polish girl! [62]

I smell nonsense ;-)

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have to disagree with you here. Only the Chinese killed more people than the Soviets.

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you got that right

History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]


needs to look at your country leaders (ex KGB) and maybe (just maybe) you'll realize that nothing has changed where you live, Russia, Soviet Union, "все равно".

History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]

map of Russia with some places where Germans Poles and other nationals were enjoying Russian hospitality. "Do not afraid", red in this case, definitely doesn't mean, they were communists.

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News / Polish Dreamliners grounded again!? [27]


oh yes, we do, e.g. we're buying your products.


not big enough


you guys don't buy much from us but anyway, yes you need to support yourself before anyone else (same here)


agree

News / Polish Dreamliners grounded again!? [27]


I actually agree with you as I also believe that we shouldn't support you guys, whatsoever.

History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]



you guys obviously haven't seen many German women then ;-) I'm not saying that Russian women are ugly but there are definately many good looking women in Germany, so much is for sure.

History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]

you got that right

Genealogy / Coats of arms of Polish cities [51]


before 1457

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Language / Short Polish<->English translations [1033]


in many situations it means "yeah, right"