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4 eigner   
19 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

that's exactly what I'm saying too and that's why, there's no need to pick on people for being Catholics, Jews or anyone else for that matter.

It is what it is and let's try to accept it at least. Of course, we are all entitled to our opinions, have our likes and dislikes. It's human after all. Love and hate is a as old as humanity and so it's very natural to have different opinions about different things but it doesn't mean that we have to make our lives miserable. Let's enjoy what we have because it certainly won't last forever.
4 eigner   
19 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Live and let live man

yep, if we all followed that rule, the world would be a much better place to live in.
4 eigner   
19 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

They did this

very sad indeed but if we're going to follow that path, I'm gonna end up posting crimes against humanity under communist regimes (atheists ofc) and trust me, the numbers will be way higher than any other crimes committed by anyone, anywhere else.
4 eigner   
19 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Actually I can. Want me to?

you can but it won't change my opinion about people and their right to decide whether they're Catholics (or anyone else for that matter) or not.

Tell me, if you consider yourself an atheist (I don't know, just an example) and we'll all say, you're not, will our opinion make any difference in how you see yourself?

Yawn. One could equally easily point to paedophile priests and say that they are why crosses shouldn't be on display; that would be equally smart.

really, Harry? Is that what Catholics do?

"A young teenage girl, impregnated during a satanic ritual, is forcibly delivered of her nearly term baby, forced to ritually kill the child and then to cannibalize its heart as cult members watch. Another girl, a small child, is sealed inside the cavity of a disemboweled animal and "rebirthed" by her cultic captors during a ceremony"

The problem is that they aren't. Less than 4 in 10 go to mass regularly, less than 2 in 10 are considered devout. Being baptised Catholic isn't enough to be Catholic, as the RCC themselves make clear.

so basically what you're saying is that most of the 92.2% are lying and or are too dumb to determine who they are.

As for being "so far left"

Let's be honest DD, am I lying? ;-)

There are plenty of examples of the RCC supporting hatred and violence. Those right wing dictatorships in the 20th Century tended to enjoy RCC support, as did Croatia in WW2 - a country that surprised even the Nazis in how brutal they were.

many bad things happened in the past (still are) and just about anyone was (is) involved in it. If you already mentioned Catholics, be fair and don't forget to mention the two biggest criminals of all times who happened to be commies and atheists, Mao and Stalin.

The problem is that 92.2% don't agree with crosses in public places

now, that is a complete assumption, more like a wishful thinking and you know it.
4 eigner   
19 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Care to quote data from the RCC about the number of Poles who are Catholic? I doubt it somehow.

you see, the difference between us is that you see it all in definitions and numbers while I see the right of everyone to believe what he wants and if one calls himself a Catholic, so be it. Besides, if RCC had a problem with its believers it would act accordingly, don't you think?

No, I can't quote data from the RCC (neither can you, I assume or you would have already posted it) but any link I've found online about Polish Catholics, confirms pretty much the same percentage of Catholics in Poland.

Can you imagine how the mohair beret brigade would react to the symbol of Satanists being displayed next to their cross? Me too.

well, this could be a reason (link below) why many people (even some atheists, I'm sure) would have a problem with Satanism

rickross.com/reference/satanism/satanism12.html
4 eigner   
19 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

If somebody wants to belong to any organisation, he has to meet the minimum requirements of that organisation.

well, I'm sure you understand that if the RCC was so unhappy with its followers not fulfilling the requirements of the RCC, it would drastically narrow down the amount of Catholics in Poland.

There are plenty of other faiths in Poland, some officially recognised, some not.

yes, there are but they don't have many followers, not to my knowledge anyway.

Anyways, again I agree with you that they should be allowed to display their religious symbols as long as their religion doesn't support hatred and violence.

When they can all be bothered to go to church as often as the RCC says they must, then they can force their supposed religion onto other people; right now about 20% of them do bother to go to church that often.

No one has the right to force others to believe what he believes but it works both ways, Harry. It means that just because you're an atheist or a Jew or whoever you are, you can't expect the 92.2% of Poles to act the way you want them to act and remove crosses allover Poland just because you and people who feel like you, don't like it or feel bothered by it.

Just let everyone display his religious symbols, like you said earlier and the world will be just fine.
4 eigner   
19 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Your link can say whatever it wants; however, the body which says whether people are Catholics or not is the Catholic church

most aren't Catholic

Neither laws nor definitions will ever make people what they don't want to be. I'm sure, you guys know it but you're politically so far left that it blinds your, otherwise healthy judgement. Most Poles are Catholics, accept it.

b) I favour ... all religious symbols being displayed

I agree with that part of your statement but obviously, in this particular case, there won't be many other symbols to display in Poland ;-)

Taking crosses down in Poland however is wrong because it suits very marginal parts of the society and at the same time, punishes the earlier mentioned, 92.2% of it.
4 eigner   
18 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

It's very obvious what he is. I object to people like him claiming to be Polish.

well, he obviously feels very Polish and he might be just as well, we simply don't know. Unless you can prove him wrong, he is what he says he is.

[b]What you see on PF isn't really relevant- as you can see, there are Polish-Americans telling Poland what is good and what isn't good.

well, not quite. It happens to be that what they say here on PF, pretty much confirms what I've experienced in Poland.

according to the link below, 92.2% of Poles are Catholics and this is pretty much the impression I had when I was there.

natemat.pl/52507,ponad-35-mln-katolikow-w-polsce-najwiekszy-odsetek-na-swiecie
4 eigner   
18 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Except Kondzior isn't Polish, so he doesn't speak for Poland

he is if he says he is. How would you feel if someone would say, you're not Scottish? OK, you probably don't care (knowing you from PF) but many others do and you have to respect it but even if you don't, it won't change anything about how others feel about it.

The Constitution in question - the first democratically instituted constitution since 1921 in Poland has immense importance to those that believe in democracy.

well, the problem with that is that according to what I see on PF and to my personal observations while in Poland, it doesn't seem to have the same importance to many Poles as it has to you and people who feel like you (for obvious reasons, you love the secular thing about it, most Poles don't).
4 eigner   
18 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

What is writen on paper do not accounts for much. It is what we believe that counts.

taking into consideration that your constitution was written not too long ago and under different circumstances, I can understand why it doesn't have the same meaning to guys as ours has to us
4 eigner   
16 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Just as Poland is the one to decide whether it is a secular country or not, and Poland has decided: it is a secular country and hence a cross alone has no place in public places.

If one says, he's a Catholic, he is one, end of story and so, anytime a Pole told me, he's a Catholic, I believed him (why wouldn't I?). Who am I ( (are we) to tell people, they are not what they say they are. I can have my own opinion about it but that's as far as it goes. Some people pray to God and some pray to Marx, what the heck. Why is that a problem, huh? Do we all have to pray to Marx?

Also, I don't understand why having a cross hanging on the wall is such a big problem to you guys. It was always present in Poland and if you don't like it, don't look at it, simple as that. You and your friends, praise yourself to be tolerant, now you have a chance to prove it, Harry.
4 eigner   
16 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

According to the rules of the RCC, those people were not Catholics; it really is that simple.

you mean, people I've met? C'mon man, you don't know any of them. To me, if you say, you're a Jew, you are a Jew, if you say, you're a Catholic, you're a Catholic. It's not for us to decide who's who.

The devil quoting from the bible and heathens, atheists, agnostics and other misguided godless types lecturing Catholics on what real Catholicism is all about is downright laughable. Those who do so apparently are so totally lacking in self-criticism that they don't see how ludicrous this is.

btw. Suspended? he deserved to be suspended for some other comments he made in the past but not for this 1, c'mon guys.
4 eigner   
16 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Believing in God doesn't make you a Catholic- I know plenty of people who believe in God but who want nothing to do with the Catholic Church.

true but what I can say, most of those I've met and I've met many people there, were Catholics. I know, you guys hate to accept it but it's a fact.
4 eigner   
16 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Face facts, Poland is a secular nation: deal with it.

well Harry, the law can't change anything about how people feel about it (in any country, not just in Poland). According to what I've experienced in Poland, most Poles believe in God.
4 eigner   
11 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Renegade Polish police chief removes crosses

not a good move. When there was no Poland, all Poles had was religion and hope that there will be a free Poland one day again. Now you guys come to their country and tell them to give up what helped them to survive for so many generations.........

....(almost forgot, of course there are some Polish, ex commie regime supporters among you too).
4 eigner   
6 Aug 2013
Love / My Polish wife went out the other night and didnt come home till the next day [22]

she told me she was going her brothers but didn't tell me she wasn't coming home I found out she was out drinking with her brother and his girlfriend in town but never let me know anything and came home the next day and give me silent treatment

it sounds like she's very committed (LOL)
4 eigner   
26 Jul 2013
News / Demolish Poland's Palace of Culture? [55]

Demolish the Palace of Culture?

well, let Poles (who live in Poland) decide it. They have to live with their past and they need to know what's good for them and what's not. If I lived in Poland back then (1945-1989), I'd most likely hate it too.
4 eigner   
7 Jul 2013
History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]

Needs to take school lessons of geography. It's map of USSR, not Russia, naïve...

needs to look at your country leaders (ex KGB) and maybe (just maybe) you'll realize that nothing has changed where you live, Russia, Soviet Union, "все равно".
4 eigner   
7 Jul 2013
History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]

map of Russia with some places where Germans Poles and other nationals were enjoying Russian hospitality. "Do not afraid", red in this case, definitely doesn't mean, they were communists.



4 eigner   
6 Jul 2013
News / Polish Dreamliners grounded again!? [27]

You don't support 'us guys'.

oh yes, we do, e.g. we're buying your products.

As I understand, over in your part of the world, there's quite a movement to support domestic manufacturers

not big enough

we need to do that too.

you guys don't buy much from us but anyway, yes you need to support yourself before anyone else (same here)

We need to stop supporting Chinese products. Everything we have in stores is made in ******* China.

agree
4 eigner   
6 Jul 2013
News / Polish Dreamliners grounded again!? [27]

We should be supporting our own European manufacturers

I actually agree with you as I also believe that we shouldn't support you guys, whatsoever.
4 eigner   
3 Jul 2013
History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]

And Russian women are much prettier than German ones.

+1

you guys obviously haven't seen many German women then ;-) I'm not saying that Russian women are ugly but there are definately many good looking women in Germany, so much is for sure.
4 eigner   
2 Jul 2013
Genealogy / Coats of arms of Polish cities [51]

I think it was king Kaz. Jag. way back when who adorned it with a crown

before 1457



4 eigner   
30 Jun 2013
History / De-communisation in Poland? [38]

What on earth are you talking about?

I'm talking about love, LOL

and that committed Communists were very few and far between?

committed or not, they used their political influence to become what they are today and considering that at least officially, Poland is a commie free country, they don't deserve to live like they do. Who knows how many good Poles they sold out to achieve their goals.

Then again, I know what a Communist is

Oh, I'm absolutely convinced you do, LOL (first hand information)

unlike you

wrong.