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RobertLee   
15 Jun 2011
Language / Czech language sounds like baby talk to most Poles. Similarities? [222]

I don't know why some of you jumped on the guy so hard.

Probably because this forum is full of polonophobes (don't let the Polish sounding nicks fool you), who constantly look for opportunity to accuse and offend Polish people. As polonophobes they must have thought this thread is an attack on Czech people.
RobertLee   
15 Jun 2011
Language / Czech language sounds like baby talk to most Poles. Similarities? [222]

1. This thread isn't about the similarity of Czech and Polish (although you made it so;). It is about how Czech language APPEARS to average Pole, specifically that it seems like baby talk.

2. I fully accept your arguments that Czech language is in fact much more different from Polish than it seems like. However, you still place it second, after Slovak. So me saying in another thread that "Czech is the closest language to Polish" is not a terrible mistake. Note the difference between "being the closest language to Polish from all Slavic languages" and "being very similar to Polish". I never claimed the latter.

3. No, I don't mean you when talking about resident polonophobes.
RobertLee   
15 Jun 2011
Language / Czech language sounds like baby talk to most Poles. Similarities? [222]

Besides for all it is worth, in some ways thanks to that sound of the language Czechs are actaully perceived in Poland as a nice people with a great sense of humor..

And then many come to Czech republic and are shocked to discover that Czechs are actually not as friendly or worse, they are very rude towards Poles.
RobertLee   
15 Jun 2011
Language / Czech language sounds like baby talk to most Poles. Similarities? [222]

How much do you know RobertLee to form opinions like yours? What are your personal impressions from your stays in the Czech Republic?

These are not my opinions. Just Polish people I talked to. I remember them because it was shocking to me, clearly contrary to what Poles would expect.

I also talked to a Brazilian girl who used to live in Prague and had the misfortune of having a "Russian look" and working as a waitress. The stay in Prague was very traumatic for her. In the end she got beaten up by a security guard for no reason and decided to leave Czech Republic.

I just had one day of a recreational stay in Czech Republic: I ordered some dish with a Polish name in a restaurant and they brought me something totally unexpected - I believe I ordered "krokiety" and and they brought me something like "kluski".
RobertLee   
15 Jun 2011
History / What do Poles owe to Russians? [193]

o yes that must be why when the warsaw riots started the russains stood outside the city and waited

You mean Warsaw Uprising.
In 1794 they didn't wait but murdered in cold blood some 20 000 Polish civilians in the Praga district, before completing the destruction of Polish state. Very likeable people.
RobertLee   
16 Jun 2011
History / What do Poles owe to Russians? [193]

a year later my friend and the girl from Poland have broke up, here so, and you tell "friendly", it's not their fault that he is Russian?

If we aimed for any kind of equilibrium here, your Russian friend should have been shot or sentenced to 10 years of Gulag.
RobertLee   
16 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [156]

And many stayed, some of whom were then put into Polish concentration camps but of course that is just another inconvenient part of Polish history, let's deny it.

One of the most notorious camps was run by a Jewish "survivor".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Morel

Here is the IPN report about this concentration camp and Morel:
ipn.gov.pl/portal.php?serwis=en&dzial=2&id=71&search=10599

So much about denying it by the Poles.
I also recommend reading Israeli reply to Polish request to extradite that scum Morel. They give Poles lessons about denial.

there were indeed Poles in the SS, thousands of them (if we make the assumption that one in fifty of the Poles who were captured by the Western allies while fighting for Germany were SS (very much an under-estimation of the percentage of German forces), there must have been at least two thousand)

You can assume all you want but without solid evidence, that is just spreading hateful antipolish libel.
RobertLee   
16 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [156]

From the Wiki page you linked I see that he spend 22 months in prison, was charged numerous times and his last trial was stopped by his death. The same would probably happen with Morel if he was extradited - due to inefficiency of Polish courts.

So your view is that none of the 100,000+ Poles who were captured by the western allies while fighting for Poland were SS? That's highly likely, isn't it?

Where did you get that 100 000 number from? While many Poles were forcibly conscripted into Wehrmacht (because they weren't considered Poles by the German administration!), the Germans didn't forcibly conscript Poles into SS, and they didn't create Polish SS legions like they did in other countries. That's very logical, considering their overall policy towards Poles.
RobertLee   
16 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [156]

RobertLee:
he spend 22 months in prison
Before being cleared.

You forgot to add: cleared by the communist justice system, which was imposed on Poles.

RobertLee:
was charged numerous times
With the number being 'two', as in 'he was charged two times'.

1945, 1956 and finally after 1989.

RobertLee:
his last trial was stopped by his death.
Why do you tell such pointless lies? The article says "the trial for the 1945 incident in £ambinowice was resumed by the local court in Opole. However, it had to be postponed - and finally terminated in 2005 - due to the poor health of both Gęborski and the witnesses. Gęborski died June 14, 2006."!

That's a lie - his trial was postphoned due to his poor health in 2005 and terminated in 2006 because of his death. Those bad Poles didn't take him from his death bed to court? I don't think any democratic justice systems allows this, even for worse criminals.

RobertLee:
Where did you get that 100 000 number from?
British government figures of the number of Poles taken prisoner by British forces or taken prisoner by other allied forces and transferred to the care of British forces.

Do you mind showing me that British government report?

RobertLee:
While many Poles were forcibly conscripted into Wehrmacht

Please do not lie: Polish people were not eligible to even join the Wehrmacht, only those who had sign up on the Deutsche Volksliste could join the Wehrmacht. No signature, no Wehrmacht.

That's a lie. You didn't need to sign anything to be forcibly conscripted into Wehrmacht. And yes, Poles weren't allowed into Wehrmacht - problem is German needed cannon fodder and didn't blink forcibly conscripting Silesians or Kashubians.

Harry, you are hateful polonophobic bigot, you should have been banned from this forum long time ago for your libelous accusations.
RobertLee   
16 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [156]

You are welcome to read the Polish (more accurate) version of the page:

Proces (przerywany notoryczną nieobecnością świadków) trwał do 2005, kiedy to został odroczony ze względu na zły stan zdrowia oskarżonego, ostatecznie umorzony został w 2006 z powodu śmierci oskarżonego.

It also confirms that he was charged twice before 1989 - although it's irrelevant, cause Poland wasn't an independent state until then.
RobertLee   
17 Jun 2011
Life / Homosexuality in Polish Culture [231]

Unlike most people on this forum, I'm a Pole, living in Poland, so my opinion is actually worth something to you.
Basically the more homosexual men out there, the better for me, since it means more women are available.
Problem with Poland is that the most visible gay movement comprises of idiots who show their fat asses in pink lingerie on some parades. Understandably, many people get into active defense mode after seeing that kind of events.
RobertLee   
17 Jun 2011
Language / Czech language sounds like baby talk to most Poles. Similarities? [222]

I personally find the Polish myth of the "childishness" of Czech extremely offensive and patronising. It's like a whole nation is patted on the head and told to go outside and play while the adults have a serious conversation. ;-/

That analogy is funny too ;) Seriously, it's strange that you have such strong feelings about it, when you know that Poles don't have bad intentions here. And they won't suddenly stop laughing at Czech language just because you find it offensive.
RobertLee   
17 Jun 2011
Language / Czech language sounds like baby talk to most Poles. Similarities? [222]

I find it stranger that a non-Polish speaker tries to comment on such a thing.

Seriously man, you don't speak Polish, so you've got absolutely no clue how Czech sounds.

I told you once and repeat it here for more people to see: I'm willing to take a Polish language, Polish literature and Polish history test and if my results are better than yours - you get the f**k out of this forum, crawling back into your hole. Why do you hide the fact that you are Russian?
RobertLee   
18 Jun 2011
Life / Homosexuality in Polish Culture [231]

The only reason for not having a bank account is tax evasion.

There are many. Gumishu told you one. I add the second: to stop supporting greedy bankers, who try so hard to disguise various fees.
RobertLee   
18 Jun 2011
Language / Czech language sounds like baby talk to most Poles. Similarities? [222]

To be honest, what drives me nuts is when Polish Americans start making all sorts of generalisations that they've heard based on a couple of conversations with people and what they've read in the press.

You are making generalisations about Polish-Americans all the time. Racist and derogatory generalisations. Even in totally unrelated threads.

Like this nonsense about Czech being "funny" - the guy doesn't speak Polish, how can he possibly know? It's just insulting to Poland

How is Czech being funny insulting to Poland?
I repeat it for the third time: let's take some test (that only a Polish person can answer correctly in a short period of time) and if I get better results than you, you disappear, crawling back into you troll cave.

I mean, if you read this forum, you'd think that Polish people were all racists. Yet - you hear very little racism from actual Poles on this forum

No, if somebody reads this forum he will find lots of hateful, libelous, polonophobic BS from you, Harry and other non-Poles. No real Polish person would ever write such stuff. That's why I want you out of here.

For what it's worth, Czech is very difficult to my ears - much more so than Ukrainian.

That's understandable cause you are Russian.
RobertLee   
21 Jun 2011
History / Controversial Chapters: Polish-German history texbook [8]

Fighting about words!

Good initiative. It should have been done long time ago.

Students graduating from German schools are illiterate when it comes to Eastern Europe

I once met a German teenager interested in WWII who mistook Warsaw Uprising with the defence of Polish post office in Gdańsk.
RobertLee   
22 Jun 2011
History / Forgotten crime from Soviet occupation period - an article from Rzeczpospolita [6]

I came across an article in Rzeczpospolita:

Here is my very quick translation (sorry for mistakes):

When on the 22 June 1941 Wehrmacht crossed Soviet border, the Bolsheviks panicked. While running away from the Germans they left everything: equipment, weapons, machines, vehicles, secret documents, even their own wives and children. There was only one thing they didn't neglect. No "enemy of the people" from the prisons in the Kresy region, could be taken over by the Germans alive.

One of the most drastic - and totally forgotten - massacres of the prisoners took place in the salt mine "Salina" near Dobromil (present day Ukraine). Already on 22 June the first trucks with Polish and Ukrainian prisoners came to the mine, where NKVD conducted mass executions. Their form was particularly drastic. People were murdered without the use of firearms - says Piotr Chmielowiec, a historian from the Rzeszów branch of IPN (Institute of National Remembrance).

Under the pile of bodies

Tied with a wire, men were forced to the edge of deep shaft. Then the female NKVD functionaries hit them with hammers used to crack the stones. The victims fell down the shaft. Those who were only injured sunk in the brine or suffocated under the piles of bodies.

There is only one known case of a man surviving the executions. "They brought him to the mine, hit with a hammer and he fell down the shaft - said the friend of the survivor - The shaft was filled with dead and half-dead men. Everything was breathing, moving, but there was little brine so he didn't sunk. After some time everything got quiet and at night he came out."

In the mine, the NKVD separated the men from the women. The women were taken to the nearby chapel, built "in Polish times" for the miners. They were murdered there. Supposedly an act of profanity took place there. One of the victims was crucified by the Soviets to the wall of the chapel.

The people killed in the mine were among others "Polish enemies of the people" marched from Przemyśl. At the same time the NKVD conducted a bloody massacre in the prison in Dobromil. People were murdered in the yard, on the stairs, in the cells. The local inhabitants of the town could hear terrible screams and shots from behind the wall - says Chmielowiec.

Some of the prisoners were killed with a shot to the back of the head, others with blunt tools. Wood storage was one of the killing places. The executioner used a 5 kg hammer attached to a thick rod, to crack the victims heads. The killer was a local NKVD collaborator of Jewish origin named Grauer or Kramer.

The director of the prison couldn't stand the massacre. He approached the NKVD officer Aleksander Malcew and suggested to use firearm to kill people. "If you say so, then you are the same as them" - the NKVD officer supposedly replied. He pulled the nagan revolver and shot the prison director.

Blood to the ankles

It is estimated that in Dobromil and the mine from 500 to well over 1000 people were murdered. Just before the entering of the Germans to the town (27 June) the Soviets escaped. We have testimonies of people, who were the first to enter the abandoned prison.

"What we saw was terrifying - a witness said - the corridor was covered with blood to the ankles and with human bodies. All the cells were open and in every one of them there were bodies. Bullet marks were visible on the walls. In the pile of bodies I noticed a man, who seemed to be alive. He was shot to the back of the head. The bulled left through his eye. We took him to the local hospital."

When the Germans arrived in place, they marched local Jews to "Salina" mine and ordered them to recover the bodies from the shaft. When the exhumation was completed the SS-men murdered them - about 100 men in total. Just like the Bolsheviks, the Germans threw the bodies to the shaft and covered it with concrete. The place is left in this state to the present day.

When the Soviets reentered in 1944, you couldn't openly talk about what happened in "Salina". Sanatorium for those suffering from tuberculosis was established in the mine. The chapel, where a part of the murders took place, was converted to a canteen. Only after 1990 could the local Ukrainians build a memorial there and hold a ceremony. It takes place on every anniversary of the massacre.

This year, on Sunday, 26 June, local Poles will take part in the commemoration for the first time. The idea for joined Polish-Ukrainian commemoration of the victims came from the priest Jacek Waligóra from nearby Niżankowice. "Unfortunately Poland is not very interested in the massacre. But so many of our compatriots died there. We shall not forget them" - says the priest.

He intervened at the Rada Ochrony Pamięci Walk i Męczeństwa (Council for the Protection of Struggle and Martyrdom Sites). He just received a promise that Polish authorities will take care of commemorating Polish victims "some day". A few years passed by and nothing happened. "So we decided to take the matters into our own hands and together with Ukrainians we are going to pray for the victims of that forgotten crime" - says the priest.

The Rzeszów branch of Komisja Ścigania Zbrodni przeciwko Narodowi Polskiemu ( Commission for the Prosecution of Crimes against Polish Nation) conducted an investigation into the massacre in years 2006-2009. It was canceled because of failure to identify the perpetrators. The only murderer know by his name - Aleksander Malcew was killed during the war.
RobertLee   
23 Jun 2011
Life / What is the reason for POLISH jokes ? [486]

Once I watched an episode of an otherwise dull TV series "Criminal Minds":
tv.com/criminal-minds/bloodline/episode/1244011/recap.html?tag=episode_recap;recap
They said something about "Gypsies, who are known as petty thieves", but that's nothing - the episode was about Romani killing parents, kidnapping children and brainwashing them and it was suggested that this is a "tradition" in certain Romani circles. It is beyond my comprehension how did they ever allowed this crap to be aired.

I couldn't find any info that someone was held responsible for that. Evidently some minorities are more equal than others.
RobertLee   
24 Jun 2011
Life / Homosexuality in Polish Culture [231]

I can understand Polish people not liking effeminate men, however what about normal rugged men, who look like the type that would beat you up but who just happen to be homosexual? How do they get treated in Poland?

Like normal rugged men. Public display of affection may be frowned upon - I believe Poland is no exception here. Here is a list of Polish celebrity gays who came out and survived:

plotek.pl/plotek/1,79592,9822126,Geje_w_polskim_szolbiznesie,,ga.html

Why do you care so much whether all Polish people like you or not?
RobertLee   
24 Jun 2011
Life / Homosexuality in Polish Culture [231]

You are missing the point. LGBT people are not 'striving for acceptance'. We are striving to be ignored.

Right: images.google.com/images?q=parada%20rownosci&biw=1280&bih=888

BTW It is beyond your comprehension that one may be tolerant towards homosexuals and not be intimidated with the whole political correctness BS towards Jews (or any other "untouchable" group out there) at the same time? It's not what you read in Gazeta Wyborcza, right?
RobertLee   
24 Jun 2011
Genealogy / Having a Great Uncle that was an Eaglet of Lwów [3]

You mean in:
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cmentarz_%C5%81yczakowski_we_Lwowie
?
LOL, no, I think you won't get accepted.
Incidentally I saw yesterday a documentary on Polish defense of Lwów. For 3 weeks Polish youth held off Ukrainian veterans!
RobertLee   
24 Jun 2011
Off-Topic / Countries and your associations in 5 words/descriptions. [56]

Hungary: leczo, gulasz, greatest friends of Poland, Balaton, help in 1920
Serbia: Crow, Racowie, Husaria, Milosevic, did I mention Crow?
Germany: primitive sense of humor, professionalism, Luftwaffe, Wehrmacht, busty blondes
Italy: pizza, spaghetti, mafia, Berlusconi, Mara Carfagna
France: Sarkozy, Napoleon, Blacks, Paris, painters
Ukraine: massacre of Poles, UPA, Klitschkos, Tymoszenko - Juszczenko - Janukowycz, feminists who ran naked
Czech: funny language, Zaolzie, the pilot who joined 303, beer, Prague
Finland: blondes, winter war, continuation war, neo nazis, depression
Poland: antisemitism, Jew murderers, nazis from Home Army, thieves of Jewish property, dumb Polaks
UK: who the **** cares
RobertLee   
5 Jul 2011
Language / Is fluency in Polish for an English speaker possible?! [30]

Yeah, they seem like nice people. I am just afraid that they might not understand it when I try to talk to them in their own language or, even worse, think I'm crazy. Oh well, I just need to get confidence.

They might think you are crazy - in a positive way - after communism Poles fell into some sort of inferiority complex and they couldn't understand why anyone from the "rich West" would want to learn their language. Foreigners who learned Polish became celebrity figures in Poland. This has been changing pretty rapidly though. Still, it's funny when foreigners try to speak Polish. I once asked people to repeat "w Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie" just to make fun of them (one Italian girl managed to do it very well though).
RobertLee   
6 Jul 2011
History / Is Jozef Pilsudski the king of modern Poles? [138]

What do my fellow Poles think about my hero, Jozef Piłsudski?

Well, he did some great things for Poland and one has to admit that he was great Polish patriot, but he also did some very stupid things: like when he went to Japan asking for support of Polish uprising against Russia, which would result in just another bloodshed. Or when he organized a military coup d'etat. He was too crude and had too difficult, authoritarian character to be more successful politician in and outside of Poland.

I actually believe his political adversary Roman Dmowski had a better vision for Poland (he also went to Japan to... discourage the Japanese from supporting Piłsudki's plans).
RobertLee   
6 Jul 2011
History / Is Jozef Pilsudski the king of modern Poles? [138]

Perhaps you believe that because he was an outspoken racist and fascist, which the great Pilsudski, a true hero, was most certainly not.

Perhaps you believe that because in your gay leftist mindset, you feel threathened by the words "patriot" and "nation".
It's easy for politically correct ignorants with foam on their mouths to put labels on Dmowski NOW, but his fellow countrymen respected and loved him.
RobertLee   
6 Jul 2011
History / Is Jozef Pilsudski the king of modern Poles? [138]

Thoughts of a young Pole, throught the least pleasant passages of Polityka Polska i odbudowanie państwa right through to organising boycotts of businesses based on their ownership.

How a Polish patriot from the first half of the 20th century could not be "racist" when Poles were opressed or threathened by other nationalities? You could also compare pre-war Poland to today's USA, but the only thing you can prove this way is that you are nuts.

Describing Dmowski as a patriot is interesting, especially as he initially(and strongly) supported the idea of Poland as an autonomous region of Russia.

Dmowski played absolutely crucial role in the process of regaining Polish independence. He organized the Blue Army without which Poland would probably lose the war with Ukrainians and Soviets. Unlike Piłsudski, who was a crude soldier, Dmowski was educated and diplomatic and was able to successfully lobby for Polish cause in the Versailles.

Whether or not that Dmowski statement was sincere to Russians is debatable, but one thing is certain: at that time there was no Poland at all, so an autonomous region within Russia was certainly better than no Poland at all, especially given the fact that the Russians were somehow less successful at russification of Poles, than the Germans were at germanization.

To talk about 'nation' too is odd - among the shared cultural values that make the Polish nation, both Christianity and tolerance play a large part - Dmowski despised both.

Here you have all those despised Christians attending his funeral:

He was not fit to lick the boots of Pilsudski and Narutowicz.

Piłsudski, despite his disagreements with Dmowski, was a big enough Pole to appreciate what Dmowski did for Poland. You are not.
RobertLee   
6 Jul 2011
History / Is Jozef Pilsudski the king of modern Poles? [138]

Quite easily, many including Pilsudski were not.

Like I said, Piłsudski was a rough man, who didn't write books. That's the only evidence of his lack of "racism" as understood from today's perspective.

His own writings and actions at the time leave no room for debate about his views. Pilsudski strongly (and wisely) opposed him tooth and nail on this matter. If he had not, the history of Europe may well have been very different.

Without Dmowski's and Paderewski's work Poland would be too weak to oppose the Soviets. There would be no opportunity for Piłsudski to build his legend. No to mention the fact that the history of Europe would be very different.

Lifted pretty well word for word from Wikipedia.

Really? That would mean that hatred towards Dmowski is a hobby of a small group of Polish leftists and foreigners, while the most of society recognizes him as a great patriot. Do you get foam on your mouth every time you drive through this?:

maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=17&ll=52.229804,21.012082&spn=0.004876,0.010042&t=k

Read what he actually wrote about Christianity - he detested its values. He also detested the concepts of tolerance, diversity and liberalism - which may well have contributed to his failure and Pilsudski's success.

Dmowski wrote much stuff over a period of long time - in particular his views of Christianity evolved a lot, which you somehow failed to mention. Speaking of tolerance, liberalism and Piłsudski in one sentence - well, you made me laugh.

This from someone a continent away who has contributed nothing to Poland

What did you contribute to Poland?

Pilsudski, on the other hand (who loathed Dmowski and his ilk) was a true Polish patriot, liberal, tolerant and at the same timke both idealistic and pragmatic.

Piłsudski didn't loath Dmowski, he respected him for what he did for Poland. Only a bunch of Polish leftists (surprisingly often gay) and foreigners loath him - in the first case probably because Dmowski became adopted hero of some ultra right-wing groups (which is not his fault) - in the second case - because he put the interests of Poles above anything else.

Most of his ideas are of course no longer suitable for modern-day Poland, but so is the politics of Piłsudski, unless you want somebody to organize a coup d'etat, killing several hundred Poles and establishing authoritarian rule. But it doesn't mean the two weren't Polish patriots back in their time.

What by the way is your take on Pilsudski's contemporary and ally, President Narutowicz?

I would be happy to learn more about him.
RobertLee   
6 Jul 2011
History / Is Jozef Pilsudski the king of modern Poles? [138]

Dmowski was an antisemite

You oversimplify, to the extreme...By birthers, you mean Poland belonging to native Poles?...What an outrageous idea!

I don't even know why he brought that up. Perhaps he thinks that a person's attitude towards Jews is the most important factor, by which we should judge whether or not somebody was a Polish patriot - the nicer for Jews, the greater the patriotism, of course.

Seriously, is there any area of Polish affairs which should not be evaluated in terms of it's influence on Jewish well-being? Hint: it's getting boring.