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Homosexuality in Polish Culture


Darren...
17 Jun 2011  #1
I am a man who is dating a Polish man – he hasn’t told anyone that he is homosexual as he is a construction worker on a building site and very manly. The culture there is very hostile towards this type of thing and he’s asked me not to tell anyone about us.

What I would like to ask you all is, are Polish people generally relaxed about homosexuality or is it hated by the majority?

Thanks.
wildrover 98 | 4,455
17 Jun 2011  #2
If you wanted to be openly gay....Poland would not be the best place to move to....
gumishu 11 | 4,956
17 Jun 2011  #3
What I would like to ask you all is, are Polish people generally relaxed about homosexuality or is it hated by the majority?

homosexuality and homosexuals are generally scorned and despised in Poland (but the more educated people the less problem they have with homosexuals)
loc_kanika - | 19
17 Jun 2011  #4
You should def. check the place on some culture forums & all; there you would get a better idea. Or even check in news sites!
OP Darren...
17 Jun 2011  #5
Thanks wildrover. I'm not moving to Poland - both me and my partner are in the UK and are normal, masculine guys and are not into being in your face with this sort of thing. It's just that both he and I can take care of ourselves in a fight and I was wondering what it's like in Poland with regards to muscled, tough guys who just happen to be homosexual and how they get treated?

homosexuality and homosexuals are generally scorned and despised in Poland (but the more educated people the less problem they have with homosexuals)

Is it to do with being educated or is it to do with Poland being a Catholic country?

Cheers

You should def. check the place on some culture forums & all; there you would get a better idea. Or even check in news sites!

Also, thought I'd get an answer directly from the good Polish people on this forum! :-)
gumishu 11 | 4,956
17 Jun 2011  #6
Is it to do with being educated or is it to do with Poland being a Catholic country?

Cheers

I don't know if it has anything to do with Poland being catholic - homosexuality in England was stil a crime back in the 50's still (see Alan? Turing's case) - it wasn't a criminal thing in Poland as soon as 1919 - negative attitudes against homosexuals are actually a manifestation of deeply rooted insecurity of Polish males (they seem more manly to themselves when they despise homosexuals)(which is a result of their upbringing (lack of male role models) and the form of education that is dominant in Poland - this phenomenon is rather a fresh one (the last 50 years) and strong anti-homosexual feelings are only there for some 20 years
z_darius 14 | 3,971
17 Jun 2011  #7
it wasn't a criminal thing in Poland as soon as 1919

Unlike in some of the most progressive legislatures, Poland NEVER criminalized homosexuality.

negative attitudes against homosexuals are actually a manifestation of deeply rooted insecurity of Polish males

So many Polish women are against homosexuality because of Polish men's insecurity?

strong anti-homosexual feelings are only there for some 20 years

So where were you 20+ years ago?
gumishu 11 | 4,956
17 Jun 2011  #8
I don't know - btw being against homosexuality is something different than despising homosexuals - it takes some rationalizing
OP Darren...
17 Jun 2011  #9
I don't know if it has anything to do with Poland being catholics

Cheers mate.

I'm assuming that in the big cities in Poland people are a bit more chilled out about this sort of thing and don't have hang ups or are so narrow minded?

So many Polish women are against homosexuality because of Polish men's insecurity?

Why are Polish women against it? I thought a woman would feel comfortable knowing that she won't be hassled by a homosexual man?
gumishu 11 | 4,956
17 Jun 2011  #10
back in school :)

z_darius:
So many Polish women are against homosexuality because of Polish men's insecurity?

Why are Polish women against it? I thought a woman would feel comfortable knowing that she won't be hassled by a homosexual man?

a different psychological mechanism is involved - some women really like to be hassled/bothered/treated rough by men
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
17 Jun 2011  #11
Why are Polish women against it?

yep it is weird, although I've only noticed this here on PF. Stick around and you'll find out.
z_darius 14 | 3,971
17 Jun 2011  #12
a different psychological mechanism is involved - some women really like to be hassled/bothered/treated rough by men

Some women? What about those women who like neither the rough nor the homosexual.
What psychological mechanisms are in action there?
Is the propaganda you try to dress up in science a result of your own research, or did you get it from an LGTB website?
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
17 Jun 2011  #13
My guess is that with homosexuality being so closeted in Poland, there must be quite a few women who were 'surprised' to see their husband or boyfriend succumb to his true orientation. Hence the grudge.
justine j
17 Jun 2011  #14
Why are Polish women against it?

Oh they're just talking gibberish. Each one has it's individual approach to this matter and you won't find a one formula describing attitude of Poles towards gay people. Some are against it, some are not.

Generally women are more tolerant to gays.
Among people who are against it you can find various reason for that:
- general conservatism which is a defence mechanism against changes in world and society (and one of those changes is new approach to the gays' and lesbians' rights)

- religious reasons (but you have to know that people in Poland aren't blindly Catholic and generally don't have any problems with being against church doctrine in many other fields e.g. premarriage sex, contraceptive etc.)

- the reason which gumishu mentioned aboved - men trying to be more manly
- belief that homosexualism is one of sexual disorders, and by accepting it people agrees for libertinism

Personally I think that the first reason is the most popular one. I heard many people having an attitude like that: "I don't mind gays if they don't show their homosexualism in public".

Young people tend to be more tolerant for gay people, but of course it depends on the social circles (probably blue collar circles would be less tolerant). Maybe your bf affraids that he would suffer ostrasism if his mates from work will discover that, that they will be less willing to talk with him or keep distance.

Many gay people affraid what would be the reaction of others if they discover their preferences... even though in most cases I know, people already know/suspect that someone is gay even if someone didn't say it openly.

I'm Polish and personally I don't have anything against gay people.
ShortHairThug - | 1,103
17 Jun 2011  #15
I’m assuming that in the big cities in Poland people are a bit more chilled out about this sort of thing and don’t have hang ups or are so narrow minded?

Your assumption is wrong. Narrow minded my a**, general consensus across the board is that sort of thing is wrong and immoral. If you want no problems then you’re half way there, as long as you keep that "not in your face attitude" and "keep it in the closet" so to speak, what you do in your own bedroom is no one’s business, you should have no problems. Muscled or not, tough guy or not, it does not matter, just don’t flaunt it. Yes in my opinion it is wrong but no one is going to prosecute you or beat you up just because of that, your attitude about your lifestyle on the other hand might do just that.
George8600 10 | 637
17 Jun 2011  #16
Places to be openly gay: France, Italy, Greece, the UK, Netherlands, Sweden. ...Poland...eh...probably not a good idea.
Harry
17 Jun 2011  #17
So many Polish women are against homosexuality because of Polish men's insecurity?

From what I've seen Polish women are most certainly not opposed to a spot of bi-sexuality.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,391
17 Jun 2011  #18
Please, why the homos on this forum?...There are many internet groups and sites for homosexuals to discuss their problems...Homosexuals are a very small minority, and the lifestyle is rejected by the vast majority of people...Discuss your sexual foibles there.

Anal and oral sex between males is not acceptable in mainstream culture anywhere...This has nothing to do with 'Polish culture', it is just that this activity is only engaged in by a tiny group...Such activity will be tolerated by the majority as long as it is done privately and not used for political leverage...So find an appropriate place for personal discussions of sexual matters.
RobertLee 4 | 73
17 Jun 2011  #19
I am a man who is dating a Polish man – he hasn’t told anyone that he is homosexual as he is a construction worker on a building site and very manly. The culture there is very hostile towards this type of thing and he’s asked me not to tell anyone about us.

What I would like to ask you all is, are Polish people generally relaxed about homosexuality or is it hated by the majority?

Unlike most people on this forum, I'm a Pole, living in Poland, so my opinion is actually worth something to you.
Basically the more homosexual men out there, the better for me, since it means more women are available.
Problem with Poland is that the most visible gay movement comprises of idiots who show their fat asses in pink lingerie on some parades. Understandably, many people get into active defense mode after seeing that kind of events.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,823
17 Jun 2011  #20
Unlike most people on this forum, I'm a Pole, living in Poland, so my opinion is actually worth something to you.

Lies.

From your profile -

Znasz j. polski? a bit

In other words, you're not Polish.

Problem with Poland is that the most visible gay movement comprises of idiots who show their fat asses in pink lingerie on some parades. Understandably, many people get into active defense mode after seeing that kind of events.

I wonder where you're seeing such things? It certainly doesn't happen in Poland.

Perhaps you need some medicine, too?
Zman
17 Jun 2011  #21
Hunters, Toro, Galeria, Glam.... are all hetero-friendly. Come and check out your available women in purportedly gay night clubs from all social strata and all walks of life. That is, if you're in Warsaw for a weekend.

Having read previous posts I feel like I live in some gay paradise bubble. So comfortable here in Warsaw, PL! :-)
Harry
17 Jun 2011  #22
Hunters, Toro, Galeria, Glam.... are all hetero-friendly.

Yes, but City is still the pick of the bunch.
PennBoy 76 | 2,438
17 Jun 2011  #23
Anal and oral sex between males is not acceptable in mainstream culture anywhere...This has nothing to do with 'Polish culture'

Agreed. Hasn't it been proven that homosexuality is a mental disorder?. People who do that know that there's something wrong but can't do anything about it. They should be treated.
Zman
17 Jun 2011  #24
Yes, but City is still the pick of the bunch.

Another Brit expression? :-) had to google that. Yes, that's why I used the word "bubble" in my previous post. :-) I am so surrounded by gay (not only) REAL friends that I like it here. BTW I forgot about Między Nami and now Flow (I actually do not like) and Meta (about to head down there).
Seanus 15 | 19,716
17 Jun 2011  #25
It's not acceptable in the open of course. Behind closed doors? Who can stop them? Poland has quite a few guys who haven't come out of the closet.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,823
17 Jun 2011  #26
Poland has quite a few guys who haven't come out of the closet.

Including the leader of the opposition.
PennBoy 76 | 2,438
17 Jun 2011  #27
Jarek likes boys? hmm, no wife, no girl ever seen with him, lives with mama, could be.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,823
17 Jun 2011  #28
Apparently it's the reason why him and Walesa hate each other so much - Walesa was making jokes at his expense for being gay, and thus war started.

There were rumours about him and a few women, but nothing was ever made public.
alexw68
17 Jun 2011  #29
Jarek likes boys? hmm, no wife, no girl ever seen with him, lives with mama, could be.

No bank account or computer either. Doesn't necessarily say gay; but in a political leader for the 21st century, it screams frajer.
strzyga 2 | 993
17 Jun 2011  #30
No bank account

he's already got one, I think.


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