USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


Meaning Poland's Poles are not patriotic? How interesting. Type A or B, Penny?
Additional question: Would you come to Poland to die for Poland if Mr Kaczyński declared war against, let us say, Ukraine?

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Lodz, I have asked about the governing Law here very early, not after couple of years ;-)


Poland invaded Czechoslovakia in 1919, what's the matter? That he made a one-year mistake?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_border_conflicts

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland-Czechoslovakia_war

Now you tell me hubacośtam what you could not found.

Food / Mayonnaise and ketchup in Poland [47]

Seanus, I'm terribly sorry to correct you. Heinz owns the Pudliszki factory and they produce there, both their own brand and the Pudliszki brand.

Besides, they make the HP Sauce (you know that English sauce) in Holland.

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


Who's that? ;-)


But this is... an American Forum, based on the law of the state of NJ and the US Federal Law, and now listen "'cause I won't repeat again" - the next forum is just a click away /Vincent van Gogh/ ;-)

Food / Mayonnaise and ketchup in Poland [47]

Polish Pride, peterweg ;-)

heinz.com/our-food/products/pudliszki.aspx

Watch the domain and the product ;)

Both Heinz and Pudliszki Ketchups are made at the same facility in Pudliszki, Poland ;)

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

I can only tell you, Alex, if I met the owner of PF and we had a couple together, Mods here would be evicted, the Sponsorship system would be improved and it would pay the new engine, and you would be very happy to be here. The Sponsorship price might be negotiated and be on the scale of Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Platinum ;-)

Back to our mutt... PolAms!

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


Will you finally stop beating up your wife, Des Essientes? YES or NO?
Your cheap eristic does not work on me, and I used to read Schopenhauer when you probably had your diapers changed ;-)

Softsong has just suggested a free separate section on PF just to have the controversial threads separated and not so visible to new users. It would be good if that would be one single section for grouping the "hot" threads. Nowadays, these are spread over the whole forum. Moreover, the new posts of such kind should not be made so visible in the news feed as they are today. I'd even say the political/religion section might allow unlimited insults and derogatory language, because the users would get bored with that very soon. If you allow unlimited freedom of speech, you cannot make any exceptions, also calling Mods this or that or using profane language.With unlimited freedom of speech, Moderators are redundant and not needed.

However, the idea of Sponsorship to participate in Political/Religion subject is not only new, it simply works elsewhere on American forums. Because (1) It has proven its effectiveness (2) Gives good income to the service owner, and the political/religion disputants are the most eager to pay for expressing their views. It is not forbidden by law, either.

I really think the service owner should think about it in order not to be backwards as his colleagues from different services already do it.

SIDENOTE: Most of Polish forums with ownership in Poland explicitly forbid any racial, nationalist, hate spreading, etc. discussions because the Polish Law says so.

Come on, Alex, I paid my Sponsorship elsewhere just to have my own AVATAR ;)

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

More on Sponsorhip:


A quote from an American forum.

"Free" does not mean "cost-free", DE. There are no free lunches either.

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


We call such types "The Neostrada Kids".

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


These principles work excellently on other American forums. Wouldn't you pay $20 to become a Sponsoring Member and participate in such important debates? As for now, you can do it free, I see.

Read my last posts you've apparently missed.

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


The real revolution here could start with forbidding any religious or political debate under the peril of complete deleting offensive posts and banning the offender, after maximum two warnings. This works elsewhere on American forums. You might not believe that it would have worked here? Well, then at least the posts of Lyzko and Gumishu and Polonius3 and of pawian and of boletus and of many more related to Polish affairs far more interesting than the "Slavic unity" would emerge to daylight.


Aha, there would be a possibility to discuss politics or religions. Only to Sponsoring Members and in hidden sections, only visible to the Sponsoring Members. This also works very well elsewhere.


Could anybody ask the Admin to read the above? Such a number of loyal, already addicted contributors! What is $20 for having splendid warfare? Dżizazkrajst, this is a Golden Duck story!

And who says Poles cannot make business ;-)

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Thank you for your extensive, objective, deep and great insight very much, Softsong! One of the best in this thread and reflecting my thoughts on the Class (ii) that I described in the post #43.

(Note: I share your view on Delphi and I think we could domesticate him to behave better. Like in "gorol, ale oswojony" = Silesian: A non-Silesian but domesticated one) ;-)

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


He meant you are living in dreamworld, and to express it in Polish: "Jesteś oszołomem".


Precisely: To some Poles.

This is not Delphiandomine or Harry related thread. Go back on topic, PLEASE.

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


You said you do not fall under any of Types A or B. Right. Read the description in the OP under point (B).
You are not the topic, although were I making the OP again, I'd include two categories more.

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

What about writing on topic, Des Essientes?

I'd welcome your enlightened ideas written in perfect Anglaise about your willingness to die for Poland in need. Having


in your veins is a sort of obligation, isn't it?

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Your post, Lodz, is very interesting. I'd say -- in addition to your words -- there is a multi-cultural clash here on the Forums. Brits exhibit very specific sense of humour and style not everybody can understand (I mostly do since my great interest towards United Kingdom); the US is a big, differentiated country and Americans of different kind bring totally differently styles, views, approach. Now let us take Turkish, Greeks, Serbs... I could talk a lot.

The multi-national mix on the PF leads to inevitable clashes. Still, I believe it is pity that Moderators are never trying to quench the warfare by real modding, that is, by personal example. Split to Random Bin, ban, and get your coffee. This is like curing the fever, not the reason for the illness.


Where two Poles, there three opinions, remember?

However, we are talking about Polonia and their approach towards Poland, by examples of PF threads/posts. I generally agree to and support the views of MediaWatch. What made me write the OP was:

I am in contact with (i) Polish emmigres of 1980's (ii) Born Americans of Polish ancestry, interested in Poland.

Part of people under (i) fall in the Type A category, and other under Type B. I was shocked to restore contact with some schoolmate after 30+years. The guy was so... disagreeable I had to quit him. Another friend, the one who comes to Poland frequently to help her old Mommy tells me: "I have to apologize for Darek. He is generally an OK guy, he is, however, just like that".

People under (ii) are typically very positive towards Poland and I can only say great words for them. Some of them have already been to Poland and they liked it here.

Now, reading posts of so many Polish Americans here, I still classify many of them as Type B. With good reasons to say that.


Ironside is talking on Delphiandomine, and I can only say Mods are very liberal regarding using derogatory language towards other PF users. Just waiting for a Mod comment like: "No, no, it was not about Delphiandomine! We have no time to guess!"

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


Let us try out our writing skills in Polish, please.


When multi-cultural nature of current Republic of Poland becomes apparent, isn't it what you could admire? Since the PLC won't come back.


Please do not be your own judge.


Cannot help you with that. Ask outside Cali, inside the US.

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

First, Des Essientes: How come I feel superiority in all what you are writing? How come that you have just noticed the Krzysia's moustache but ignored the moral of the Sienkiewicz tale on Ketling? Is your Type B approach related to some general behaviour of part of American Polonia or is it the fact you are a Cali (and you know what they say about Calis) or is it just you?

Second, Lodz The Boat. I'd start with saying that me, "newie", can see the things here with fresh eyes. Secondly, good that you are telling me things about this Forum and its regulars, still I can read very little on your views on approach of Polonia, especially in these Forums?

For example: Would -- in your opinion -- Des Essientes fight for Poland if needed or he'd choose some surfing or (you know what I mean) some golf match instead? Still, he appears to be an expert in everything related to Poland and Polish affairs! How come?

History / Symbols & Signs in Polish History, Culture & Life [89]

Here you are: sejm.gov.pl/prawo/konst/polski/kon1.htm

This is the Polish Parliament, the Sejm, website.

English: sejm.gov.pl/prawo/konst/angielski/kon1.htm


This phrase shall be read by Ironside over and over:

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

PolAm Type B talking, eh? Krzysia? Moustache?
What about his death for Poland?

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

For some with weak memory, re-reading "Pan Wołodyjowski" could help. Mr Ketling was exactly the type described by warszawski.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassling-Ketling_of_Elgin

History / Symbols & Signs in Polish History, Culture & Life [89]

Read the Constitution.
Funny thing you perceive our legislators as ignorants, meaning you believe you would be the right Legislator.

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


Have you read about Type A and Type B?

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


What's wrong with Harry? I could not really see anything very wrong in his posts?
Let's us not go adrift, Ironside, please.

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


I was in the Army in 1987-1988. Should I be called in during martial law, I'd join, too, unless I'd be already interned. It is easy to make statements now from your armchair perspective.

Ah, by the way. When I was delivering papers from my high-school to the University in Spring of 1980 (the teachers were delayed with that so I was asked to deliver my papers myself), I could read in my opinion-paper: "troublemaker" (wichrzyciel). I think it was the greatest compliment I have ever got from anybody ;-)

Regarding voting: Can American Irish, Italian or German vote in affairs of their Old Countries? You said expats could leave Poland at any time but PolAms, PolCans and PolOz have alreade left Poland many years ago!

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


Haters, yes. At least four, though. Far more smart-asses sharing the (B) views.

In all fairness, borowik is class A, for example.

Oh, did I forget some PolOz? ;-)

History / Symbols & Signs in Polish History, Culture & Life [89]

Not what I could read in our Constitution?

English: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Poland
Polish: pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/God%C5%82o_Rzeczypospolitej_Polskiej

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Thank you very much for your answer, MediaWatch. I actually noticed your well balanced, objective and interesting posts on PF.

warszawski, interesting view, also thank you very much for your input. Not forgetting the preceding posters.

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


Your point accepted.

Strangely enough, expats working for wellbeing of Poland here cannot vote, and "Poles" having nothing to do with Poland can vote.
Strangely enough, many Polams here describe Poland in the worst of words while many expats to Poland are satisfied with Poland here at PF.

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Friends, let us avoid talking on the voting. As I understand, that matter has been already discussed to death, and it is not the essence of the original post.

If you need to refer to that, I'd welcome thoughts on the level of Polams' understanding of Poland's matters.

Thank you.