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Posts by Antek_Stalich  

Joined: 6 May 2011 / Male ♂ 		Last Post: 24 Jun 2011
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Posts: 997 		From: Poland, Brwinów
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Antek_Stalich   
14 Jun 2011
Food / Expats' Polish food favourites [140]

It's pity you cannot explain it to my Dad since he is not among the living anymore :(
I'm sure whatever you said, he'd nicely smile and in quiet good English and with innocent blue eyes he would correct your views :-)

I'd say you would not get Krakowska elsewhere.
To pre-empt your hasty answer, I'll tell you that Krakauer is not Krakowska, ask Bratwurst Boy ;)
Antek_Stalich   
14 Jun 2011
Food / Expats' Polish food favourites [140]

Coffee? Jakobs Kronung.

Now I have a real story!

My Dad was a slave labourer in Germany during WWII. In 1990's I could finally buy good coffees, and I made a cup of Jacobs Kronung to my Father. He had drunk it, thought a longer while, then commented:

-- Chicory... This coffee reminds me the times at the camp during the war...
:-)))

To cheer you up, my Dad had far too many memories of that kind. Once at a shop in Podkowa Leśna some lady was praising the bread of the Dworak bakery. My dad replied: Yea, the same bread as made here during WWII. The woman brighten up and said: Oh, yes, such great tradition, experience... My dad: Yea, they still make it from clay mixed with sawdust.

:-D

(fond of weak tea)

Believe it or not but until recently I had to privately import PG Tips from UK :-)
Antek_Stalich   
14 Jun 2011
Food / Expats' Polish food favourites [140]

Rosół wołowy i ziemniaki z gotowaną wołowiną z tego samego rosołu. YUCK!

Let us change the subject for awhile. I know that the same coffee, known as Nescafe Gold, tastes differently in any country where it is being made. (Similarly, English teas made for Polish market are different from those one can buy in UK).

What do you, expats/immigrants, drink for coffee and tea here in Poland?
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
Food / Expats' Polish food favourites [140]

No, vodka ;-) Gorzoła pija sie na halby ;-)
It's good you are inherently a gorol ;-) Though... Scottish might be the hanys in UK ;-)

youtube.com/watch?v=KYPRg7Uolxk
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
Food / Expats' Polish food favourites [140]

Decidedly! They also used to treat me with all their cakes and pastries, especially those with poppy-seed, but I'm unable to remember all of those ;-) Anyway! Gorzoła! ;-)
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
Food / Mayonnaise and ketchup in Poland [47]

Seanus! First of all, I completely misread you before. You simply said ketchup had been an American invention, didn't you? I simply misinterpreted your words and am extremely sorry for it.

Second thing, and I am red in my face now since I was giving some non-verified facts. Accept my apologies, Seanus...

1. The Heinz ketchup and the Pudliszki ketchup, both presumably made in Pudliszki, Krobia, Poland, are not the same ketchups at all.
Heinz: No starch added, 1320 grams of fresh tomato per 1 kilogram of ketchup;
Pudliszki: Starch added, 1930 grams of fresh tomato per 1 kilogram of ketchup.
Meaning, more tomato in Pudliszki, zero starch in Heinz. As I have been able to check, Heinz is the only "true" ketchup available in Poland, meaning, no starch thickener.

2. It is not clear where Heinz Ketchup is really made. The label reads: "Your comments are to be send to the producer: Pudliszki..." but there is no clear message such as "Made in Poland".

Heinz

Pudliszki

Sorry, Seanus!
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Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Let us not forget about Princess Daisy of Pless, Englishwoman married to the Duke Heinrich von Pless, the latter being a caricature of a German at the times of WWI. Daisy did not accept her husband involvement in WWI (he hosted the German General Staff for almost whole WWI) and herself being English, she demonstrated her views publicly. That ended badly for Daisy, Heinrich divorced her and let her die in poverty and oblivion, yet she was able to raise her two sons to be great Polish patriots.

Pszczyna is today the capital of Green Upper Silesia and has been Polish since the end of WWI.
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
Language / Mixed English Grammar Thread [183]

Ok, so you also won :)

There are no winners, them are all losers... :D

The sentences of yours and Marynka were probably correct by the author's intention.
Marynka got the "book" sentence right! I though it should be a single sentence? Ay, a comma and we are there! Bravo!
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
Language / Mixed English Grammar Thread [183]

I understand the "book" sentence but after having sorted it out in 50%, I was still left with too many words.

Antek_Stalich: No, all of us had 6 "had", count, please.

because you edited it you little cheater ;)

No, pay attention: My "had" sentence was different from yours, probably wrong, still makes sense to me.
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
Language / Mixed English Grammar Thread [183]

Girls were better than I ;-)

ou forgot one had ;>

No, all of us had 6 "had", count, please.
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

youtube.com/watch?v=6xukxdw9j2k
Banana... Boat, it is almost magical that Americans can unite and say "us" while remaining so wonderfully diversified. While Poles can only cram Aleje Jerozolimskie with funeral candles and not clean the street the day after so other Poles swear while trying to park their cars.

By the way, I have to unsay my words about potential fate of Penny in Upper Silesia if he dared to mention "Silesian Germans". Silesian are fantastic people. If Penny mentioned "Silesian Germans", even those Silesians who cannot speak German at all (and there are many of them) would grin at Penny and start speaking German. Moreover, they would start singing Nazi songs! You know why, Penny? Because Silesians, after hundreds of years being told they were Poles, German, Czech, developed contrary sense of humour. "You don't want admit we are Silesians? Then we'll show you you are RIGHT!" ;-) On the other hand, if you were a German, Penny, and told Silesian they were Poles, they would start singing 'Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła' instantly :D

I know what they are or call themselves (Silesians) they are in reality not true Silesians (Slavs) but Germans who stayed in the Silesian region, therefore Silesian Germans. Those Silesian Slavs have long seen themselves as Poles.

You know nothing Penny. The only Germans in Poland live in Opole area.
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Yeah, Lodz, point taken. I could only say GuessWho as a non-Polam American has a deep sense of identification with her own nation. This makes her say "us" and I would absolutely accept that since this is the American cultural specialty.

So different to us, Poles, because "where two Poles, there three opinions", the voters split 50/50, and the "silent majority" does not vote at all but the Polonia votes for them... ;-)

I know Poles who just came over and don't even have a basic knowledge of Polish history or the political scene.

This is why they left Poland.

I've never said I'm an expert, i just said i definitely know more than the average Pole.

Even if, it is the Poland's Poles who vote because they will take consequences of their choice for next 4 years.

Maybe PO supporters are being liberal just to be liberal, or supporting a prime ministers party just because it's from their region( Pomerania) or because he represents a ethnic minority (Kasubians, Silesian Germans).

The ethnic matter played no role until Mr Jaroslaw denounced Silesians and Kashubians as crypto-Germans. And this only happened now.

Edit: DID YOU WRITE "SILESIAN GERMANS"? Penny, you would be annihilated in Upper Silesia for saying that. No, you are definitely not any expert in Polish matters.
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Yeah, Lodz, point taken. I could only say GuessWho as a non-Polam American has a deep sense of identification with her own nation. This makes her say "us" and I would absolutely accept that since this is the American cultural specialty.

So different to us, Poles, because "where two Poles, there three opinions", the voters split 50/50, and the "silent majority" does not vote at all but the Polonia votes for them... ;-)
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

By using that "us" and also the "everyone else" ... do you mean Poland = Everyone else; and USA = us ... in your case? ;) ...

Could you please talk for *yourself*, Banana? Sorry, Boat.
I have already told you we are both Polish but do not think the same.
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Patrycja, I sympathize with you regarding your Grandma. I have already lost both of my parents so I know what it means.

We have to read those paragraphs very carefully, Pat.

What I see from the first paragraph: When my friend Julian (this is true story) went in the US, he held his Polish passport, his PolBrit wife held a British passport, her Finnish daughter held a Finnish passport. Now, they lived in the US on green card for long time and their son was born in the United States. So Julian's son can legally keep the US passport and apply for Polish passport, true. However, if Julian gets naturalized (or got naturalized), he will held US passport because of his naturalization and he can keep his Polish passport because Poland does not recognize citizenship renunciation.

Julian told me a quite funny story. They all went to Canada and on the return, the US clerk looked into that family's passports...

-- Well... A Polish, a British, a Finnish and a little American boy... are you sure you are a family? ;-)

I think the renouncing citizenship and restoring it that you mention are about the US citizenship.
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Could you read the below, Pat, slowly?

4. Live in dreams based on what Poland was when they were leaving her

From your link:

Anyone who becomes a naturalized U.S. citizen is required to renounce any prior citizenship during the naturalization ceremony; however, this renunciation may not necessarily be considered effective by the country of prior citizenship. United States citizens are required by federal law to identify themselves with a U.S. passport, not with any foreign passport, when entering the US. The Supreme Court case of Afroyim v. Rusk declared that a U.S. citizen did not lose his citizenship by voting in an election in a foreign country, or by acquiring foreign citizenship, if such acts did not require him to explicitly renounce his U.S. citizenship.

Can you see the double standard here? U.S. naturalized citizen has to renounce his/her previous citizenship. However, Poland does not recognize such renunciation. But she should, so Poland would be like the US. Your opinion?
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

It's gonna be 20 years since i came here on July 1st. You just visited. Me vising Canada didn't make me a Canadian.

Exactly! You only visited Poland 7 times over 20 years but you didn't share living in Poland. Yet you believe you are an expert on Polish matters.

Guessie, thank you for answering. The point is: Someone pointed out that 80% of US Polonia voters chose a presidential candidate in Poland while the same candidate lost his votes in Poland. A Polish American can read:

1. We will put an end to corruption and theft! We will take away the property from Commie traitors who destroyed the economy here and stole what they could, etc, etc.

2. We will build highways and will fight for responsible Poland.

The programme (1) sounds good on your PC screen and the programme (2) sounds unimpressive. Who would you chose only by media info? The one with more attractive programme, right? Who in the US can understand how terrible our Polish roads have been? However, "stopping corruption & theft, revenge Commies" is like honey for a Polish American. Many of them, at least.

Now, the voters in Poland chose the practical way: bettering the life, and they have been sick with the results of the previous government/President.

Now, you can see the difference between living THERE and living HERE, OK?

my grandmother never became Naturalized so what would she be considered to Poland if she
wasnt living in Poland but yet still held citizenship and lived in America.

and would she not be allowed to vote/have any say in such affairs if she doesnt live there?

If she lived most of her life in the US? How could she vote in Poland's matters? What does she now about today's Poland?
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Fair enough. I've been back to Poland 7 times do I qualify as a type A ? :)

I've been to the US 3 times. Do I qualify as an American?

Patrycja, it is somewhat hard to me to get your point. Of what I have understood:

-- My opinion is my own opinion but I wanted to gather other opinions, including yours;
-- There is no doubt Polonia everywhere helped Poland in hard times. Have you, however, noticed that now, when the times are not so hard, there is significant polarization of views, making types A and B?

-- Can we leave the Nostradamus thing aside?
-- I believe there is grace period in the US, so the new applicant has some time between receiving the green card and saying the oath to become a new US citizen, therefore, the applicant can learn something about the US?

-- In fact, I have forgotten about PolOzzies (which I corrected later). I mentioned both PolAms and PolCans in my original post. PolBrits can travel to Poland easily now.

I'd just want to tell you my Dad was a PolOzzie for 6 years in 1950's.

I personally wouldn't but I don't see any problem really when others do it if they feel the connection with Poland.

You misunderstood me. Would you vote for President of Chile or Mexico only based on media information but not living in Chile or Mexico yourself? And please do not say for others. The question was personally directed to you. "Would you...?"
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Guessie, I believe you are an American (not a PolAm). Tell me,
1. If you could, would you attempt to vote for a foreign politician only knowing his political programme from the media and not living in the distant country?

2. Given you immigrated to some distant country, would you stick to American enclaves or try to melt with your new country-people? (given the country were decent and safe?)
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

The most important are clear Rules; and the Sponshorship Plan, Al. The technicalities are a trifle.

I wonder if Steelarmored would trade 24 cans of beer for the right to say anything he pleases. And probably warszawski would prefer saving the money for his family -- which I support very much.

But you mistakenly label type As as type Bs because they don't see eye to eye with you and what is patriotic and good for Poland.

True and false. People Type A come to Poland from time to time and I meet them. People Type B have no reason to come to Poland as to the most hopeless place in the world.
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
Food / Mayonnaise and ketchup in Poland [47]

the Czech Republic

!!!
Stu... I wouldn't be surprised. My weak memory tells me the Czechs used to make excellent mayonnaise and it could be Hellmanns!

Globalisation, exactly what I wanted to say. An American company decided to go global and share its experience. Pudliszki are the benefactors of American experience. Heinz Ketchup is not a kind of Polish food in origin.

Seanus, you are a nice and wise man, making it very hard to me say that you are not always right. Forgive me?

I had been eating the Pudliszki Ketchup long before Heinz set their foot there. Pudliszki Ketchup always tasted perfectly. After Heinz started their production there, two brands are available from Pudliszki: Heinz and Pudliszki. Both are excellent. Not necessarily made in the same production line, and may be different with spice but the declared composition on both products is identical.

Pudliszki factory exists since 1847, making ketchup since 1927. What "experience" are you talking about?

It makes me want to drive to the shop, buy both and give them a blind test ;-)
----
Not to concentrate on Ketchup, I will tell you something on Turek camembert cheese (the round one). The original product is Czech, and the name is "Hermelin - Kral Syru" (Hermelin - The King of Cheese). The Polish took the license and started making it just on our side of the border as "Sekret Mnicha" (Monk's Secret), and later the production was moved to Turek. Why "Sekret Mnicha"? The Polish advertisement agency to handle the product campaign believed "Król Serów" would not pass in Poland. So they made the internal contest and "Sekret Mnicha" won. This is a story from my brother-in-law who participated in the campaign himself.

Meaning, if you fry Turek in crumbs, flour and egg, several layers, you'll get the Czech Smazeny Hermelin ;-)
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]

Would you afford US$20 yearly to be still able write stuff like this?

*Now the story of Harry/Delphiandomine vs. PennBoy has fully become clear to me. Thank you my PM correspondent, I have my own eyes.*

Type B. OK, two of type B identified. Next, please?
Antek_Stalich   
13 Jun 2011
Food / Mayonnaise and ketchup in Poland [47]

Seanus, please slow down.

Pudliszki S.A. – przetwórnia owocowo-warzywna w Pudliszkach. Obecnie wchodzi w skład amerykańskiej grupy Heinz, która ma w niej pakiet większościowy akcji.

"Presently belonging to the American Heinz group being major shareholder".

I can assure you Heinz produce there.

HP Sauce is a popular brown sauce (steak sauce)[1] by HP Foods, now produced by H.J. Heinz in Elst, the Netherlands, although HP Sauce is still produced in the UK (in Sachet form) at H.J. Heinz's Telford Factory.

Seanus, please... Heard of "globalization"?