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Palivec   
16 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [156]

The Polish trait of denying everything, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, has a lot to answer for.

Same reason the Russians get roundly mocked by those in the West - same absolute inability to accept responsibility.

Heck, even Serbs and Croats are dreadful for this. Maybe it's just a Slavic thing?

Not really a Slavic thing, more a thing of Eastern European nations. Many of these nations didn't exist for along time since they were part of Austria, Prussia or Poland; and later, when these nations were reestablished, they became satellite states of the Soviet Union. All this time nationalism was needed for self-assertion. In Western Europe however this kind of 19th century nationalism was countered with the establishment of the European Union after WW2, and these close contacts with other nations helped to push back nationalism. That's why Western Europeans often feel somewhat alienated when talking to Eastern Europeans, since they can't relate to this rhetoric anymore.
Palivec   
15 Jun 2011
History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]

No they were not even an no the treaty did not oblige Poland to go in full force, Poland could for example send a 1000 infantry and thats it, the point is Poland saved the existence of Austria and Austria took part in destruction of Poland less than a hundred years later.

The treaty defined that Poland and the HRE should support each other with 60.000 (HRE) and 40.000 (Poland) troups in case the Turks would attack Krakow or Vienna. Both parties couldn't provide enough troops since the time was too short, and the HRE fought against France, which attacked the HRE at the same time.

The treaty moreover defined that Austria had to pay 500.000 Reichthaler to Poland and take over all Polish debts from the war against Sweden... and that was 6 month before the battle of Vienna.

Read the history books there were no dragons, nor were there evil villians at the Battle of Vienna, but there was Sobieski and his winged hussars which the Tartars and Turks knew, and feared, and fled from.

They fled after the combined cavalry attacked the Turks.

No, against Turks approximately 8000 Poles won the battle since thats how much heavy cavalry was there, in the space of under half an hour in 3 charges they killed and wounded over 15.000 men, scattered the turkish centre, killed almost all HQ officers, destroyed the camp and artillery.

Oh, did they count the Turks killed by Poles separately? You know, since the combined cavalry attacked the Turks and not the Poles alone. And the HRE provided 20.000 troops of cavalry.

The German forces fought without effect for hours, the Poles took about 45 minutes to break the back of the army, Poles not only did most of the fighting but all of the winning.

The German troops you mention were mostly light infantry, the heavy cavalry of 20.000 troops you mentioned comprised of both Polish and troops of the HRE, and the Turks collapsed after both flanks attacked.
Palivec   
15 Jun 2011
History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]

I love it when history becomes a fairy tale full of dragons, knights in shiny armour and evil villains. :D
Palivec   
15 Jun 2011
History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]

You mean in a battle against 100.000 Turks 20.000 Poles won the battle?
But yes, in Vienna you can find a monument to the Ukrainian cossacks, even in Cyrillic, to remember the "Polish" troops. :D
Palivec   
15 Jun 2011
History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]

Ingratitude? Poland and Austria signed a treaty. Poland provided military support, Austria paid for it. They were even. It's as simple as that... at least outside of Poland. And Poland didn't save Austria, since the Polish military contingent was the smaller one in a coalition army.
Palivec   
15 Jun 2011
History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]

He saved the Austrians from them and look how they repaid Poland in spades.

Austria paid 500.000 Reichsthaler to Poland. This wasn't enough?
And he saved the Austrians? He provided the smaller force in a coalition army raised by the pope, where the king of Poland was the commander since he was the highest ranking participant.
Palivec   
13 Jun 2011
History / German Traitor And Polish Pig [96]

..NOT BOTH! Firstly - they have to go to work there (econmic reasons) because their countries are still recovering from mindless German destruction and communist regression and were not rebuilt by the allies so they could pay for their sins yada yada ... and secondly - one of the unfortunate side effects of working far away is that you have to live there aswell. Can't have everything.

They are free to go to Italy, France, GB, the BeNeLux or Skandinavia...
Moreover the majority of immigrants in Germany never suffered from "mindless German destruction and communist regression".
... it must suck when all these nice little victim theories don't work. :D
Palivec   
12 Jun 2011
Life / What is the reason for POLISH jokes ? [486]

This thread is about POLISH jokes. You are off-topic.

OK.
What is a Polish triathlon?
Walking to a lake, swimming a round, cycling back home.
Palivec   
11 Jun 2011
History / German Traitor And Polish Pig [96]

Most of the plethora of races in Germany are folks from Europe who can't wait to come to live and work here...

Calm down, read some fairy tales from the Grimm brother, listen to some Bach music, make a day trip to a baroque wonder like the Wies church or to a museum to see some paintings from Friedrich or Carus, .... and realise that your less human, mechanical animals gave quite a lot of deeply emotional works of art to the world... much more than some other nations in the neighbourhood. ;)
Palivec   
10 Jun 2011
History / German Traitor And Polish Pig [96]

For now, as I said, we have a different relationship with modern day Germany, and every sane person would wish for it to prosper, however definitely being careful and alert - not to forget past experiences on how the German mind works. They historically have less emotions and more machines in themselves.

You know, for some of who are living in USA or really disillusioned ... they will not understand how the German nation really went into a complete Supremacist mode ... . Its almost as though they want to remove or erase the idea. It is like denying there ever was a holocaust. Its like kicking all those graves of people killed or tortured to death ... all those families ruined, all those women who were raped. People who were humiliated ...

You should travel a bit more. Maybe read some books and hear some music too. Trust me.
Palivec   
10 Jun 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

so how You determine the boarders?isnt it by history and self determination?

By asking the people, how it was done in Upper Silesia and Masuria when Poland was re-established.

minorities were threated long before 19 century, if for example the city rebelled-minorities were punished much more severely,and I was not pointing out whose fault it was, simply stating the facts.

And I simply answered to your remark that multicultural Danzig ceased to exist when Prussia took over the town. Which isn't even true, since Prussia was also a multicultural state.

and the privileges were given by who????

Doesn't matter in this case, since the city could have decided to allow only Germans to settle in the town. So, the decision to be multicutural wasn't a Polish but a civic feat.

No mister your argument is wrong because case of Gdansk is not about the Middle Ages. It is about the fact that Gdansk was an important royal city in the long history of Kingdom of Poland well into the XVIII century.

The royal city is another PR stunt blown way out of proportion. The Polish king was "allowed" to stay in the city for three days a year. How royal is that?

And again: the legal basis for territorial claims in our times is the self-determination of the people. Not Polish people in Krakow or Warsaw could have decided over the fate of Gdansk/Danzig but only the inhabitants of the city itself. But interestingly they weren't asked when Poland was re-established after WW1, whereas in all other disputed regions plebiscites took place.
Palivec   
10 Jun 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

maybe You would like to tell me where I am wrong?

Your argument is wrong. No modern nation state can claim a city, region or country because some twat from the Middle Ages owned it once. That's just 19th century nationalism. The right of self-determination is the basis of our legal system.

And you are wrong on some other things too:

Poland was tolerant so let Germans settle there

Only the city itself decided who settled inside the city walls. Part of the great privilege.

it was defended by Polish army

The city had an army itself, also part of the great privilege.

the taxes were going to the Polish crown.

The city was freed of all taxes in the great privilege and could raise their own taxes.

Then after partitions, this multicultural city was germanised

Has nothing to do with Poland or Germany but with the upcoming nationalism of the 19th century, which threatened minorities everywhere in Europe.

Not true. The military, postal system and railway transport were Polish. Same as big deal of inhabitants. The defence of Westerplatte and of Poczta Główna in 1939 resulted from exactly those roles in the Wolne Miasto Gdańsk.

Population in 1923:
Germans 327.827
Polish and Cashubian: 6.788
German and Cashubian: 1.108
Russians: 99
Jewish: 22
Palivec   
10 Jun 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

Then after partitions, this multicultural city was germanised. I think it is just that it is Poland again.

I see Commie propaganda is still popular in parts of the world... :D
Palivec   
9 Jun 2011
History / German Traitor And Polish Pig [96]

Yes, a culture that developed at the intersection between the Polish, German and Czech culture is the same as American natives, lol.
Todays Silesians are simply the rest of a cultural-historical process in Silesia that was eradicated after 1945.
Palivec   
9 Jun 2011
History / German Traitor And Polish Pig [96]

You probably won't believe this, but before 1945 Germans from Silesia were Silesians. Shocking, I know...
Palivec   
8 Jun 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [214]

Add the Silesian Piasts to the list of traitors, which not only preferred Bohemia over Poland but also became Germanised...
Palivec   
7 Jun 2011
Food / Polish Pizza !! The best in the world? [329]

Polish pizza is soooooooooooo the best pizza in the world, the ones from glogow are the best ever !!!

Wasn't Pizza invented in Poland? I've heard it was originally called Picszta? Same as Sushi, which the Poles invented as Szsusczi.
Palivec   
2 Jun 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

There's more but whats the point? Palivec is not interested in an answer.

Oh, I received the answer I expected... and it looks like no one here should ever complain again if some Western European, especially German, describes Poles as culturally backward and inferor. :D
Palivec   
31 May 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

Ahh. But you are of course absolutely objective and not anti-Ukrainian at all... :D
Just because you don't know the cultural achievements of the Ukraine it doesn't mean they don't exist. And for someone from Western Europe Polands cultural achievements are equally unknown and therefore considered equally sparse.

Only by ignorant fools not unlike yourself!

I see, but it's absolutely OK to say Ukrainians don't have their own culture, and what they have was teached by Poles. OK. :D
Palivec   
31 May 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

Its true though, what cities, works of art, music or achievements of science did Ukraine have? None. All that was built, developed or achieved in Ukraine was done by Poles and Russians.

From the perspective of an Italian, French or German the same can be said about Poland.
Palivec   
29 May 2011
Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [417]

Western and mediteranean women are way stronger than slavic ones especially germanic women who are very cold blooded.Slavic women notice that here that mediteranean women have a thicker skin(of course it makes them less feminine and attractive as well).

I love such generalisations. My russian girlsfriend, and most of her friends, are pretty strong. They must be, since growing up in such a mess like Russia needs a strong will. The same is true for all women in slavic countries, since all these societies changed very much in the last 20 years. Compared to Slavic women women in western, stable countries get pampered.

The only difference I notice is that Slavic women prefer a more traditional role in a relationship, since their societies are much more traditional too. But even here I see a big difference between, lets say, Czech and Russian women.
Palivec   
26 May 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

As for Lwów and Podole it is our land being part of the Crown since the middle-ages and not amount of Ukrainians living there will ever change that.

Maybe you didn't notice it, but the Crown doesn't exist anymore, and the Middle Ages are long gone too.
Pandoras box shouldn't be opened, otherwise some Germans could remember that some Polish towns aren't Polish either...
Palivec   
24 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

Hmm,... Beethoven, Kant, Abbe, Hertz, Goethe, Hegel, Leibniz, Gutenberg, Bach, Cranach, Duerer, Kepler, Stoss, Agricola, Benz, Diesel... the world would be a pretty boring place without such insane, evil scumbags.

And more than 2 mio Poles are actually quite happy to live in Scumbagland, otherwise they would return to Polska.
Palivec   
22 May 2011
History / Poland and Orientalism [115]

As far as central Europe is concerned, it was Poland who most closely embodied enlightenment philosophy in the practice of governance. Stanislw August Poniatowski, was arguably the most enlightened monarch of his time.

An enlightened monarch doesn't equal an enlightened society. The scientific revolution of the enlightenment happened mostly in the educated circles of France, England and Germany, countries with strong civic middle classes and educational institutions. Having a constitution based on ideas of the enlightenment is nice, but this constitution did little to improve the situation of the people by implementing ideas of the enlightenment. The alleged backward neighbours Prussia and Austria abolished serfdom, while the Polish constitution just acknowledged the rights of serfs. Prussia and Austria also introduced compulsory schooling at the same time.
Palivec   
22 May 2011
History / Poland and Orientalism [115]

Well far be it for me to try to explain German arrogance and convenient amnesia, but I doubt that if the Germans have ever heard of the 3 May Constitution.

Who cared about that? In the eyes of the Germans Poland was an underdeveloped agrarian country with a small, decadent upper class whose self-interest was directed against the greater good of the country. Poland had almost no civic middle class, the base of modern societies. Before the Polish partitions Poland had 2 or 3 universities, Germany + Austria more than 40. The social divide was immense.