News / Lithuanian ambassador 'Poles not loyal citizens' [63]

delphiadomine
what problems do You see that Lithuanian minority doesnt?You probably know better about the topic than they do.
in Poland You dont have tv programs in which the blilngual streets names are being torn off, or the songs with the message death to Lithuanians, or marches with the same message, in Poland Poles dont spray Lithuanian embassy

News / Lithuanian ambassador 'Poles not loyal citizens' [63]

Poland adheres to Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities and bilateral agreements, Lithuania doesnt.

News / Lithuanian ambassador 'Poles not loyal citizens' [63]


well. the land was Polish for centuries, they grabbed it, so what they expect?Poles are not immigrants there, Lithuanians are

so. according to You all Ukr of what is now West Ukr during the interwar perios should have assimilated and forget they are Ukr?


You have no idea what it ia about, do You?

News / For all Americans worried about Schengen in Poland, dont worry about it. [142]


sure, and Brits should call their cousins, Belgians theirs etc, I wonder who would be left there...
America is the country of immigrants and everyone that is there legally has a right to stay there as much as You


yet, We voted for him again

Love / Why do so many Polish girls dye their hair BLACK? [124]


with the purpose You mention we dye them blond

USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]


the problem with Harry is that he presents the stories taken out of his a$$ as the facts, the last time I talked to him he argued that Poland invaded Czechoslovakia in 1918, this story however will not be found in a history book, but he stood by it. The guy is hopeless, so, I dont know how providing lies as facts can be seen as spot on

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

Poland hold off till 28th of September


You are ommiting everything I wrote chose some words out of context, this is Your reply?
so You are saying that Davies lies when he says that Britain didnt fire a single bullet?
Ironside undertook to bomb German cities the way the Wechrmacht would bomb Polish one, Britain dodnt do even that

he doesnt write what Poles want to hear, if You read his books You would know that they are often very critical, I myself disagree with him often, but I dont dismiss the facts


can You just for once answer the question?stop changing the subject whenever You dont have the answer. Now I of course have to ask You where and when was the ethnic cleansing done by Poles?and the next argument starts, it is a pity we cant talk like adults


5 November 1918 Polan and Czechoslovakia agreed to the borders of Śląsk Cieszyński in accordance with the ethnicity of the land, hovewer Czechoslovakia using the chaos ruling in Poland because of Pol-Ukr war and Wielkopolskie uprising invaded Polish part of Śląsk Cieszyński on 26 January 1919. 16 thousand army attacked 3 thousand Polish one. During the conflict they have murdered about 20 Polish POW. They managed to take over most of the Polis part od Śląsk Cieszyńskithen Poland regained then they had it again. Between 28-30 of January indecisive battle took place. The pressure of the Entente caused armistice. Czechooslovakia wanted to incorporate the whole Śląsk Cieszyński, after the much pressure of Western countries they agreed to negotitions. On 3rd of February the agreemnet was signed defining temporary border(Czech side gained south-western part of county of Cieszynand Frysztat).However Czechoslovakia didnt want to honour the agreement, and didnt withdrown the army(few times attacking Poland-the last battle -21-24 of February)until more pressure from the West on 25 February. On 3rd of February 1919 Czechoslovakia agreed to plebiscite, however during summer and Tuchaczeswkis offensive on Warsaw, Benes using the situation in Poland on the conference inSpa pushed the idea to drop the plebiscite (remember?the nation self determination-supposedly so important for You)almost all the land at issue was given to Czechoslovakia. Polish goverment agreed with the decision provided Czechoslovakia would let the transports of weapom for Polish Army through its territory. Despite the declarations Czechoslovakia didnt fulifill the agreement. Then in 1938 Poland took what belonged to Poalnd


oh pleaaaasseeeeee!!!!Harry

in 1920 Britain also was supposed to help Pl....
I dont care about Your impression about my post, and I dont understand the refernce to Libya, stop with the personal comments as they are even more silly on the public forum when You dont know me personally


agreed,


Poland allowed it to happen, what more do You want?


hmm, again not my definition of multiculturalism

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


in 1921(?)-about 15% were Polish, 20 years later one third less, according to Versal treaty the postal system, railway and military were Polish but it was boicoted as much as possible by the German administration. I understand why You see it as multicultural, however I cant agree seeing how overwhelming Germans were there, it is just not my definition of multicultural place


so how You determine the boarders?isnt it by history and self determination?in that case Lwów and Wilno should be Polish


minorities were threated long before 19 century, if for example the city rebelled-minorities were punished much more severely,and I was not pointing out whose fault it was, simply stating the facts.



and the privileges were given by who????
I wil check the taxes as I am quite sure they were paying taxes to the crown, the privilege of raisinig their own taxces does not exclude paying to the crown, it just gives them more freedom, but I will come back to You on that

Gdańsk was defended by Polish army many times, this simple information You can find even on wikipedia, again having its own army does not exclude it

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

maybe to a small extent, my opinion is that it was already Germanised in the interwar period

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

antek read my post, I have written that it ended with partitions


in this situation one can see the more honorable actions of the Polish Army as opposed to combined French and British that baptism of fire had as late as may 1940(...)Western allies who on September 3rd declared war, didnt fire a single bullet in the defense of Poland(...)by the end of the month the British prime minister Neville Chamberlain asked: Tell me plaese general(to Adrian Courton de Wiart)what effect did our leflets have?

This is all he writes about the phoney war, but I guess You are smarter than a man who devouted his life to Polish history

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


Lwów was Ukr, was fund by Ukr, UKr was tolerant so let Poles settle there but it was always(almost) a part of the crown, privileges were given by king to built, it was defended by Ukr army, the taxes were going to the Ukr crown. Then after partitions, this multicultural city was polonised- is it how they teach history at Ukr school?


maybe You would like to tell me where I am wrong?


of course I am not, how could I?am not a soldier,strategist, how could I know which division You should use
let me quote Your historian, Norman Davies if the words of Jodl are not enough for You:
page 548 and 549,Polish edition of The Gods Playground:
"According to military debates, Polish Army was supposed to hold off Wermacht for the period of two weeks, so Western allies could move 70 ready to fight French divisions stationing near Ren river. When the time came, Poles fullfiled their task but French and British didnt(...)in this situation one can see the


so I understand that You are all for athnic cleansing?did You read the agreement I gave You what treaties are You talking about?

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

gdańsk was Polish, was fund by Poles, Poland was tolerant so let Germans settle there but it was always(almost) a part of the crown, privileges were given by king to built, it was defended by Polish army, the taxes were going to the Polish crown. Then after partitions, this multicultural city was germanised. I think it is just that it is Poland again.

and of course, in 1945 nothing was left of the old Gdańsk, so all we can see now was built by Poles

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

but it was neither, not historically and not because of inhabitants
Gdańsk-should be Polish,
Poznań-obviously Polish,
Wrocław-obviously German before the war

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]


are You another person that should do the reality check?please turn on tv, and tell me what You see, I can count on one hand the jurnalist that dont share the one right view on politics


I dont think anybody should try that


I find it funny-people bashing Radio Maryja as the most evil and dangerous force on Polish soil, seriously who listens to them?and dont start with moherowe berety- as they have no power, no influence, seriously bunch of elderly people will not take over, leave them alone because it is getting ridiculous, it is the youung minds I am worried about.

btw, have You ever listened to Radio Maryja?

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


I asked a simple question,but
I guess this is what Your ancestors were thinking behaving like traitors and cowards again just like in 1920
what should we be greatfull for?

so tell me , Nathan, do You think Lwów should be Ukr because of the history or because of the nationality of inhabitants?


please, we are not children, I quoted Jodl, and AFTER that I said You should have been active, do You see only what You want to see?.

I am not able to tell waht weapon, what batallion You should have used if this is what You are expecting form me


do You mean HMS courageous?are You serious?You claim they were fighting for Poland?


untreaty.un.org/unts/60001_120000/20/14/00038658.pdf

please take a map in Your hand and read the agreement then come back and tell me how wrong You were

Harry, do You believe Poland should have given both Lwów and Wilno to Ukr and Lt?

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]


the problem is- wyborcza and friends have control of most of the media, and it is they who are trying to stop You from reading or watching anything else, anyone who doesnt agree with them is antisemite, racist, backward...

it is them who make "nagonke" on some people, destroying them.
Check who is writing for them, check their biographies, isnt that interesting that so many of them have communist, traitors or murderers in the families?like Michnik- father- a communist and a traitor, brother- stalinist judge, murderer, hiding in Sweden. I know that people are not responsible for the actions of their families, but that is just a great coincidence that so many alike are working together.

why is it that document about Zbigniew Herbert cannot be shown in the tv because Herbert talks bad about Michnik?why Remuszkos book is completely passed over?how is it possible that a man is invited to university for a lecture(i think) and wyborcza makes hate campain against him-calling him antisemite etc(not proving abything of course but making a lot of fuss and an atmosphere )then a man is banned from university because they heard he MIGHT be antisemite.

I dont oppose wyborcza, but the power and influence they have, it is just not healthy

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


what words do I need to use so You understand?read my answers and You will find what You are looking for


how many?



allright, Britain did almost nothing
it didnt need elections, look up the art 24 of April constitution of Poland-it was legal goverment. Britain abandoned alled Polish goverment in exile and recognized and cooperated with the commie one, i call it a support


no, they didnt, because the agreed demarcation line was ending BEFORE the Vilnius region, so the reference to Gdańsk is pointless


how can You steal Your own property?


do You have any proof that they were fixed?You are only right when it comes to villages, were majority was Ukr


I am sorry I thought You were British

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

Harry You can talk all You want , the truth is almost for a year You did nothing significant, due to You inaction Russia got involved in war, and if Germans hadnt invaded the France, You wouldnt fight at all. Pointing out 2 or 10 bombs dropped on Germany is ridicuolous


was it a lie?as for spitting in the face I am just taking an example of the GREAT Britain,


again, Harry You are fighting the facts, I dont know what else can I say, is it not true?


Your(British) goverment recognized the commie regime, and forgot about the one who was cooperating with Britain during the war- the legal Polish goverment in exile


the treaty says about Suwalszczyzna and on the northerm land -north from Niemen river, it ends in Bastuny south from Wilno, agreed demarcation line ends before Wilno, why do You lie?


the right of nations to self determine- great but why are You using this only when it suits You, Lithuanians didnt agree on plebiscite and nation self determiantion in Vilnius region, but who cares right?also in Lwow region majority were Poles, but again who cares, in the peace of Riga Dmowski didnt want to take more land because he didnt believe there was enough Poles there, leaving milions of them outside of the border

If You are so sensitive, about peoples self determination why dont Your people leave Belfast?shouldnt You rather be on British forum fighting this?


the IUkrainian army terrorized whoever was defencless, vulnerable, child or women, You couldnt fight with men so Your main occupation was helping Germans

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


I know:( but cant help myself

Let's see what You should have done according to the German officer "Alfred Jodl at the Nuremberg Trials said that "if we did not collapse already in the year 1939 that was due only to the fact that during the Polish campaign, the approximately 110 French and British divisions in the West were held completely inactive against the 23 German divisions" - so I think You shuld have been active!!!

but sorry You were active - dropping propaganda leaflets on Germany and then "On 12 September, the Anglo French Supreme War Council gathered for the first time at Abbeville in France. It was decided that all offensive actions were to be halted immediately

"


Harry I mean Your govermnet not You


the treaty was only abiut Suwalszczyzna, Wilno was not mentioned, why do You lie?


are You aware that Berlin was founded by the Poles?so according to Your logic it is Polish?in 1920 2% of inhabitants were Lithuanian, look at architecture, what does it represent?

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


haha, I wonder what his response is going to be!!


dont compare PL-Lt methods to British empire, what can You throw at us, Pl-Moscow war?not much more, mostly we were just defending ourselfes

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


I dont, for much of its history Poland was much bigger then Britain, and still didnt kill as many people

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

relation of power between France and Germany alone was more or less equal in respect of the amount of troops and arming, add to this GB and Poland and Germany wouldnt stand long plus You have countries like Hungary who would abandon Reich if it was loosing. The problem was morale and unwillingnes of the higher command, but it is hard to measure before the war

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


knowing how it all turned out, yes I would want Poland to act different, but it wasnt that obvious in 1939. If France and England fulfill their obligations(and they were able of doing that) Germany would be defeated and Russia wouldnt get involved in the war. I still think it was the righteous think to do at that time.


i dont know what answer do You expect besides the obvious?maybe mobilise and fight?send help?so what "things"did it do?


of course, the Communists that You supported, killed many (mostly Poles), who is explainnig them?definitely not me


how are You gonna name the British way of doing?


please, start a thread to topics You mentioned, and I will answer


my answer about Riga treaty on previous board, then again what Britain did do?

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


did it do anything?why sign a treaty?to do NOTHING?


Yes, mostly Polish patriots, is there any logic in You?


here You have it(from Poland A and Ukraine B): it is unfortunate, and I always believed that Poland should apologised for that( as opposed to Vistula action), the thing is Ukraine was useless, they didnt manage to do anything, and Piłsudski who signed the treaty with Ukr was removed from power just after the war, Dmowskis conception of Poland and allies was totally different. As far as I know Piłsudski did apologise to Petluras soldiers, but he was just unable to do anything else. I agree with You on that- a big shame.

so, what do You think about that?You didnt answer, and just kept going with Your nonsense


coming form You? a good one Harry

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

if Poland was rewritting history then it would be current affairs not historical blunder-so, as I said before Your input is irrelevant.
I explained to You the treaty of Riga, I have seen people explaining You Czechoslovakia, but You ignore everything, and come back to it in every single topic, Why is that?what was wrong with my explanation of treaty of Riga that You didnt understand?

News / Ustroń: Another giant religious statue in Poland [26]


those fueled by criticism are who?local parish, older. usually more devout people?they will moan to each other and that is it,oh, come on. The power is media and media will not be on their side.

I dont think refusing permission should happen if they build it on their land, with their money,for me they can have a statue of Buddah-none of my business. I may not like it, but to be honest I dont like even more the "enlighten"ones who will laugh off and label as backward everything connected to catholicism, such bahaviour is having upper hand in our so called intelectual elites. And, as I see it, both sides are the same and and as much intolerant

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


why the League of Nations let Hitler arm his army on the first place?why did they let off the reparations?it wasnt tactics,it was weakness and unwillingness. In 1933 Hitler wasnt powerful, the appeasement was not necessary

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


are You kidding?wasnt that a British prime minister who believed Hitler to be a "nice guy" it was the appeasement politics that led Hitler to believe that he can do anything and let him arm his army even though it was against the treaty of versailles. Britain was totally unprepared for the war, France was.

News / Ustroń: Another giant religious statue in Poland [26]


I wouldnt say that, Świebodzin was highly criticised, and it now becomes sort of a fashion to criticise religion and beliefs


I hope that too. I wonder why religious people cant praise god by building hospital?but on the other hand it is their money, and not my business.

Life / IS Poland in danger of becoming the next multi cultural sink hole? [201]


I guess it is for the Brits to decide, dont You?