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Posts by piktoonis  

Joined: 1 Apr 2011 / Male ♂ 		Last Post: 20 Apr 2012
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Posts: 86 		From: Lithuania, Vilnius
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piktoonis   
1 Apr 2011
History / Kingdom of Poland Map [14]

This map is false. Even GDL in it's glory never reached that far to the east. Maybe this map is from some fiction book or game?
piktoonis   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

Not to mention that Lithuania doesn't respect rights of Poles living there,

Have you been to Lithuania to verify this claim? It looks like Poland in the end will make a lot of enemies but not friends. And of course we have to remember that elections are coming in Poland :D
piktoonis   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

if it comes to Poles rights in Lithuania you will not be able to sell me your fairy stories

Do you know the difference between rights and privileges? Were the rights rudely violated, Lithuania would have faced some sort of penalty by EU.
piktoonis   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

Where did you read such propaganda? Before the law, only lithuanian language was taught in lithuanian, all else was in polish. After the law - history, civil politics and lithuanian language. Is it a majority?

EDIT: Some schools were closed because there were very few students (why keep a class when there are 6 students) and merged with others. But the same is with lithuanian schools.
piktoonis   
27 May 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

It looks like some of you don't know or simply omit some facts to justify your truth.
1)Vilnius(Wilno) had majority of jews and poles were second in number, while surrounding towns and villages had majority of lithuanians. Most of you either forget or convienently omit fact that at those times only 20% of population lived in cities.

2)Claiming that Lithuania invaded and started "lithuanize" the Vilnius district is complete nonsense. When Lithuania decalred independence, Vilnius was it's capital. Poland took over the city only after Lithuania left the city and soviets took over.

3)Lithuania was neutral during Polish-Soviet war. The only "help" was that it allowed transit through territories which were slowly taken over from soviets by Lith-Sov peace treaty.

4)Technically UK honored her guarantee on Poland by declaring war on Germany. Guarantee was meant only against Hiltler, Soviet Union was another matter.
5)Saying that Ukrainian army were the only evil force doing terrible things is inacurate, Poland did the same.
piktoonis   
27 May 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

Not true. Poles made 60% of all inhabitants of the region.

You are mistaken. 60% was before the start of ww2

Again, not true. In November 1918 Vilnius was claimed by newly formed Belarusian state, however shortlived that was (Soviets captured it next month, Poland in April 1919). There was no Lithuanian presence there until the end of August 1920, after Soviets lost the Battle of Warsaw.

Lithuania declared full independence in february 16 1918, with Vilnius as its capital which was captured in january 5-6 1919 by soviets.

Not really, since Poland making counteroffensive in September encountered Lithuanian troops where they were previously pushed back by Soviets. That's effectively joining the war.

Poland simply ignored Lithuania's neutrality and broke through Lithuania's lines, thus entering foreign territory. Thats how polish-lithuanian war started.

EDIT:

Ironside, it is you who is ignorant.

for slow people - Independence declared in concern with Germany who controlled lands of a new independent ?state - phew!

The were two declarations:
1)1917 12 11. With ties with Germany
2)1918 02 16 full independance
yes, i agree that germans did all to disrupt local goverment, yet they failed and Lithuania became independant.
piktoonis   
27 May 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

Except there wa no Lithuanian administration there, but whatever.

If there were no administration, then what did government evacuated when soviets were approaching Vilnius?

The territory wasn't polish, it was captured from soviets. Lithuania was never an ally to soviet union. If you have any proof just state it, but don't throw empty words. If Poland lost Warsaw, Lithuania's fate would grim, i agree. Excellent country was that who saved from soviets yet tried to adsorb Lithuania herself
piktoonis   
27 May 2011
History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

Koala

A bunch of lunatics? Pretty much trhoughout WW1 until November 1918 Vilnius was under German administration, in November 1918 the city was under Belarussian administration and fell into Soviet hands a month later.

There was no Belarus republic. The only one i heard of was made by soviets when they invaded Lithuania, but soon was forgoten when Lithuania kicked out soviets. Germany didn't have so much control as you would think and don't forget that Lithuania had just declared independence and started slowly take control of the land, while germans were slowly pulling out home.

Simply, in September 1920 Lithuanian were together with soviets on the front that was purely Soviet in June 1920:

Those territories were Lithuania's, yet Poland breached lithuanians lines and used that breach to flank soviets and move toward Vilnius.
piktoonis   
4 Sep 2011
News / Polish Students Striking in Lithuania [80]

nonsense, they can educate their children in Lithuanian and Polish taxpayers are paying for all that.

So? Lithuanian taxpayers are paying for polish schools in Lithuania who have even bigger funding than lithuanian ones.

Why? I don't hate them. Nay, she just conveniently forget to mention her husband.

So you had a little "chat" with her husband? :D
piktoonis   
4 Sep 2011
News / Polish Students Striking in Lithuania [80]

Look, we had this discussion before, there is no question about that, your government discriminate Poles.

And how do are they discriminated? More than than minorities in Poland?

Its not about chat, is about her lies.

So because of one girl, you started to hate all lithuanian nation?
piktoonis   
7 Sep 2011
News / Polish Students Striking in Lithuania [80]

check our previous discussion, unfortunately I forged that thread title.Minorities in Poland are far from being discriminated against, that is the point.

You love to scream that poles are discriminated, yet Poland does that for 20 years. Compare education laws for minorities in Poland and Lithuania.

I don't hate them, silly, I'm not impressed thought. Question is whatever they are nation at all and if they are maybe their are Samogitians famous for their stubbornness and inflexibility.

Yeah, but in every discussion, that has anything about lithuanians, you call them idiots, bastards, etc.
piktoonis   
9 Sep 2011
News / Polish Students Striking in Lithuania [80]

They you go, a chart that compares rights of minorities in Poland and Lithuania:

That newspaper is funded by awpl, so any info regarding lithuanian-polish relations or education is not shown in true colors. It is like looking in some polish kresy website. Find some real evidence.

You constantly repeat that lithuanians discriminate poles in many ways, maybe you could give us top 10 facts of discrimination? Also, before you start, think about Poland's policies towards minorities, especially german minority.
piktoonis   
4 Oct 2011
News / Polish Students Striking in Lithuania [80]

Ironside, you are saying that everyone in Poland must learn polish language, but in Lithuania learning lithuanian is waste of time. Maybe you should find some new hobby instead of crying how evil is Lithuania.
piktoonis   
3 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

You use 1931 census, which didn't use nationality question, but instead "mother tongue". That means any jew, byelorussian or other who used polish at home was counted as a pole. Not to mention that pre-war chairman of the Polish census statistical office said that results were "fixed". Ironside, you are becoming more and more desperate. :D
piktoonis   
3 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Even if what you claim is true that the language spoken at home has no bearings on once nationality than still doesn't mean that Wilno and surrendering areas wasn't populated mainly by Poles.

Well, Vilnius city had more than 50% of jews, not poles. And considering those harsh conditions of polish occupation, it was dangerous to say that you are not a pole, or ticket to concentration camp was guaranteed. And i am not talking about Vilnius district, the same goes to Belarus and Ukraine. In short, 1931 census was nothing more but show to please polish nationalists.

I think that your politicians and elite are idiots.

I agree. But the same is with polish politicians.
piktoonis   
3 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

- Polish occupation - it was self-determination done by the majority of said territory !

Are you really that naive or just pretending? Military occupation using armed forces is "self-determination"?

those conditions were most liberal in this part of Europe if not the world.

LOL

I personally wouldn't have anything against Wilno being a part of nowadays Lithuania if not for your government acting against Poles and their rights and treating Poland as an enemy.It has to stop!

It seems you are brainwashed.
piktoonis   
3 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Most of the division had been locals as well, they have been supported by uncontested majority of population there.

Locals, right... it was polish division renamed to be "locals", that was used to back stab Lithuania.

Why ?because I do not agree with you ?

Because you are repeating the same what Russia's and Poland's foreign ministries say, while EU finds no problems.
piktoonis   
3 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Really ? Do you have anything to prove your claim, I mean the list of soldiers from said division and their place of birth. That would be easy to verify.

I don't have the names, do you have them? From what i found it had mostly poles. So naming it Lithuanian-belarusian is for propaganda only.

Lithuania was in concert with the Red Army which Poland was fighting. You deserved whatever was coming, you choose the side !

Did Lithuania sign military alliance with Soviet Russia and attacked Poland? Following your logic, then Poland got what it deserved at the begining of ww2.

What Russia has to do with this ?Lithuanian minority in Poland has certain rights granted to them by Poland. On the other hand Polish minority in Lithuania doesn't enjoy the same right.What the EU has to do with that ? Do you have to be told or ordered to do the right thing?

Only Russia and Poland claim that Lithuania violates minority rights. if it were true, EU would have intervened, yet we heard nothing. You can say what you want, but Poland is

far from perfect in granting rights for minorities.

Nope that was and is a speciality of the western powers.

Of course, how could Poland be wrong :D
piktoonis   
3 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

the key is a place of birth.

I looked in to that division and was composed of people from various eastern region you call Kresy. However before Suwalki treaty it suffered heavy casualties and many replacements came from Poland. So it was Lithuanian-Belarusian only on paper. Interesting fact, that some who where from Vilnius district and found out that they were going against Lithuania, they deserted. Any other information is scarce and misleading.

I don't know what you are following but definitely it is not logic. Lithuania was cooperating with Soviets its worse than formal alliance its sneaky.

The only cooperation i know is transit rights through territory that Lithuania gained after Lithuania-Soviet peace treaty. No direct military action or any support against Poland. Speaking of sneaky, Poland showed that no one can best her there.

What is stopping Lithuania from granting to Poles the same rights Lithuanian have in Poland already?

No one is stopping. They already have them.

What are you doing here ? In this thread ?

Maybe if you stopped your smear campaigns, everyone would be happy?
piktoonis   
6 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

don't you be smartie here, they do not have the same rights.

Same old song, still full of hate towards lithuanians.

since when the truth is a smear campaign ? The point here is that Lithuania after WWI wanted those territories where Lithuanian ethnicity was almost non existent. Your history books and you are taking nonsense and rubbish and you think that you making some points here ?

Nothing new, when out of ideas, start insulting others and falsify history.