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Polish Students Striking in Lithuania


Sleepy 1 | 7
1 Sep 2011 #1
So I guess the Polish minority kids in Lithuania aren't going to go to school. Is this the right decision?

Or does the Lithuanian government have the right to demand that students learning in its schools
learn in the national language of the country they're in?

I think that if the parents want their kids to learn in Polish then they should set up private Polish
schools. It's unfair to demand that a foreign government set up schools in a language other than
its own.
Ironside 49 | 10,093
1 Sep 2011 #2
Dude, you should research a little before you lurch to your somewhat ignorant conclusion. Who are you by the way?
OP Sleepy 1 | 7
3 Sep 2011 #3
Did I really just lurch into it? I read an article about it online, I think in Rzeczpospolita, just thought it was interesting.
Is there something I'm missing? How is my conclusion that ignorant?
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
3 Sep 2011 #4
Here is a video of the strike. I like the bit how they sang the Rota-nie damy ziemi.

Did I really just lurch into it? I read an article about it online, I think in Rzeczpospolita, just thought it was interesting.
Is there something I'm missing? How is my conclusion that ignorant?

It concerns Lithuania ignoring Polish minority rights under EU law, whilst Poland fulfilling its obligations towards Lithuania's minority in Poland.

A good article about the issue:

It is said that we do not know the Lithuanian language that we can not ascend to higher education. After all, statistics indicate that our young people ran onto a great state language - says Miroslaw Szejbak , coordinator of the Parent Forum Polish Schools in Lithuania.

Agnieszka Filipiak : According to estimates by the Electoral Action of Poles in Lithuania to schools with Polish language of instruction did not go today, more than 80 percent . students.
beckski 12 | 1,617
3 Sep 2011 #5
Who are you by the way?

One of the seven dwarfs.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
3 Sep 2011 #6
any info po englishski on this one?
OP Sleepy 1 | 7
3 Sep 2011 #7
Yeah that's an interesting article, I didn't realize the Lithuanian government was required to consult the
Polish minority before they made any changes.

Still in a country like Lithuania where they have only about 4 million people I don't really care if they don't
want to suit the needs of minority languages. I mean how many people in the world even speak Lithuanian...
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
3 Sep 2011 #8
Yeah that's an interesting article, I didn't realize the Lithuanian government was required to consult the
Polish minority before they made any changes.

It is interesting for the fact, if taken at face value, That the Lithuanian government is clearly treating the Polish minority as second class citizens.

Still in a country like Lithuania where they have only about 4 million people I don't really care if they don't
want to suit the needs of minority languages. I mean how many people in the world even speak Lithuanian...

I don't think that is the point, the fact that even its elite wouldn't speak Lithuanian and chose to speak Polish instead is quite revealing in itself.

any info po englishski on this one?

There are a few interesting articles on the topic in the Economist.
Ironside 49 | 10,093
3 Sep 2011 #9
One of the seven dwarfs.

And you would be Snow White eh?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,881
3 Sep 2011 #10
So I guess the Polish minority kids in Lithuania aren't going to go to school. Is this the right decision?

It's terrible to manipulate kids for political purposes.

Incidentally, when Poland subsidises textbooks for Lithuanian speaking kids in Poland, like how Lithuania subsidises Polish-language textbooks for Polish kids - then we can talk.

I think that if the parents want their kids to learn in Polish then they should set up private Polish schools. It's unfair to demand that a foreign government set up schools in a language other than
its own.

One thing you need to understand is that the Polish minority in Lithuania are somewhat right wing and pretty poor - they're not the 'educated classes' in Lithuania. They've been agitating for years and provoking Lithuanians.

Incidentally, before anyone starts screaming about discrimination - as long as Poland doesn't allow Lithuanians to be named as they wish, they haven't got a leg to stand on.
Ironside 49 | 10,093
3 Sep 2011 #11
Incidentally, when Poland subsidises textbooks for Lithuanian speaking kids in Poland, like how Lithuania subsidises Polish-language textbooks for Polish kids - then we can talk.

Do you represent Lithuanian side ....
Leopejo 4 | 120
3 Sep 2011 #12
Obviously, he votes for PO after all.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,881
3 Sep 2011 #13
Do you represent Lithuanian side ....

Neither, to be fair. I know both Poles and Lithuanians who are utterly sick of the whole situation - I know one Polish Lithuanian who is absolutely ashamed of what the political (and make no mistake, this is political) leaders there are doing. Maybe if you took the time to read non-Polish sources, you'd see the same thing - it's got nothing to do with discrimination and everything to do with political point-scoring.

Both sides are being bastards to each other - it's about time someone told them to sit down and sort themselves out. What usually happens there is that one side does something provocative, the other side reacts, so the first side reacts to the reaction and so on. It's childish, stupid and both sides need to grow the **** up.

Obviously, he votes for PO after all.

Uh, never actually voted PO, but thanks :)
Ironside 49 | 10,093
3 Sep 2011 #14
Both sides are being bastards to each other - it's about time someone told them to sit down and sort themselves out.

Actually Lithuanians are bastards cannot live with Polish minority having their own schools, they want to control everything, and you agree with that .
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
3 Sep 2011 #15
Both sides are being bastards to each other

How are Poles being bastards? Being anti-Polish again i see? Lithuania ignores signed agreements while Poland does not, its only Lithuanians fault that this situation arose.
MyMom 6 | 137
3 Sep 2011 #16
Polish minority in Lithuania are somewhat right wing

"Right wing" cause they feel they are Polish and don't want to be Lithuanians? For some people anyone who has some kind of national identity and is not gay is "right wing".
Malopolanin 3 | 133
3 Sep 2011 #17
We should just invade Lithuania. That would solve that problem.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,881
3 Sep 2011 #18
Actually Lithuanians are bastards cannot live with Polish minority having their own schools, they want to control everything, and you agree with that .

And Poles are bastards who won't let Lithuanians have their own names.

As I said - reaction, counter reaction and counter-counter reaction.

How are Poles being bastards? Being anti-Polish again i see? Lithuania ignores signed agreements while Poland does not, its only Lithuanians fault that this situation arose.

Lay off the right wing American news sources and you might just get a clue.

"Right wing" cause they feel they are Polish and don't want to be Lithuanians? For some people anyone who has some kind of national identity and is not gay is "right wing".

Yawn. Take a look at the politics of the "Polish" parties in Lithuania and you'll soon see that they only represent the right wing.

We should just invade Lithuania. That would solve that problem.

Could be embarrassing - Poland vs NATO would only end in tears for Poland. I imagine to start with, the F-16's would be grounded after suffering mysterious computer problems...
Malopolanin 3 | 133
3 Sep 2011 #19
I imagine to start with, the F-16's would be grounded after suffering mysterious computer problems...

I'm afraid our F-16 don't need computer problems to be grounded.
Crow 138 | 8,044
3 Sep 2011 #20
What`s going on in Lithuania? They were decent Sarmats and what is this now? Germanic influences?

or, its maybe just some isolated incident
Seanus 15 | 19,706
3 Sep 2011 #21
Land amongst other things. Old disputes.
Ironside 49 | 10,093
4 Sep 2011 #22
As I said - reaction, counter reaction and counter-counter reaction.

I see that you don't understand whats going on there or maybe you do but because those Poles are allegedly right wing you would like them to be left out in the could. As I said you are commie I wonder why fascism of Lithuanian government doesn't bother you.
PWEI 3 | 612
4 Sep 2011 #23
As I said you are commie I wonder why fascism of Lithuanian government doesn't bother you.

Thank you for providing such a perfect demonstration of why there will always be problems from Poles living in Lithuania for as long as there are Poles living in Lithuania: some Poles who live outside Poland are complete and utter dicks.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,881
4 Sep 2011 #24
I see that you don't understand whats going on there or maybe you do but because those Poles are allegedly right wing you would like them to be left out in the could. As I said you are commie I wonder why fascism of Lithuanian government doesn't bother you.

I'd like them to be left in the cold because they're a bunch of ******** regardless of their political orientation.

You don't get it, do you? The right wing Poles there have been engaged in somewhat of a battle for years with right wing Lithuanians - meanwhile, everyone else just wants them to stop acting like children. It's not about discrimination, it's solely to do with two lots of nationalists tormenting each other.

When is Poland going to stop discriminating against the Lithuanians, by the way?
Ironside 49 | 10,093
4 Sep 2011 #25
I'd like them to be left in the cold because they're a bunch of ******** regardless of their political orientation.

Thank you for your honest and freely made admission that you are biased against them. Much appreciated.

When is Poland going to stop discriminating against the Lithuanians, by the way?

Well, PO's government is in charge, the best party in Poland ever, according to you, you would vote them if you could. According to you they are best for Poland.

You tell me when this alleged discrimination of Lithuanians will end and while you are on it explain how come that you support government who purse policy of discrimination ?

some Poles who live outside Poland are complete and utter dicks.

Some foreigners who live in Poland are not only complete dicks but totally delirious and redundant dicklets.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,881
4 Sep 2011 #26
Thank you for your honest and freely made admission that you are biased against them. Much appreciated.

Of course I'm biased against a bunch of morons who stop their children from going to school. Who do they think they are, interfering in the children's education like that?

You don't get it at all, do you? This has *nothing* to do with 'rights' and everything to do with political manipulations.

Well, PO's government is in charge, the best party in Poland ever, according to you, you would vote them if you could.

Eermmm...I've never voted PO despite voting several times.

You tell me when this alleged discrimination of Lithuanians will end and while you are on it explain how come that you support government who purse policy of discrimination ?

Alleged? There's nothing alleged about it - Lithuanians are prohibited from using their proper names in Poland. They're also discriminated against in other ways, such as being made to purchase textbooks that are more expensive than the ones for the Polish children.

As for supporting the government - I don't support PO on this issue. I think they've made an utter mess of the situation and actually encouraged the Poles in Lithuania to cause trouble - I actually preferred the PiS approach of "who gives a damn about them?".

Some foreigners who live in Poland are not only complete dicks but totally delirious and redundant dicklets.

Jeez, Ironside...has the UK really made you so bitter?
piktoonis - | 86
4 Sep 2011 #27
Ironside, why do you hate lithuanians so much? Did lithuanian girl refused to go on date with you?
Ironside 49 | 10,093
4 Sep 2011 #28
This has *nothing* to do with 'rights' and everything to do with political manipulations.

Just keep telling yourself that.

hey're also discriminated against in other ways,

nonsense, they can educate their children in Lithuanian and Polish taxpayers are paying for all that.

Jeez, Ironside...has the UK really made you so bitter?

What are you even talking about? It is a common knowledge that poster Harry is all that I wrote.

Ironside, why do you hate lithuanians so much? Did lithuanian girl refused to go on date with you?

Why? I don't hate them. Nay, she just conveniently forget to mention her husband.
piktoonis - | 86
4 Sep 2011 #29
nonsense, they can educate their children in Lithuanian and Polish taxpayers are paying for all that.

So? Lithuanian taxpayers are paying for polish schools in Lithuania who have even bigger funding than lithuanian ones.

Why? I don't hate them. Nay, she just conveniently forget to mention her husband.

So you had a little "chat" with her husband? :D
Ironside 49 | 10,093
4 Sep 2011 #30
So? Lithuanian taxpayers are payin

Look, we had this discussion before, there is no question about that, your government discriminate Poles.

So you had a little "chat" with her husband? :D

Its not about chat, is about her lies.


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