Travel / The British YOBs are back in Polish towns [68]

I don't see the problem, Polish girls adore British yobs :-)

Travel / The British YOBs are back in Polish towns [68]

jola1 - Why not get good old Queen Elizabeth into the mix while You're at it? I'm sure her influence in this could be crucial.

You are making unfounded generalizations ( "brits who come are such swines" ).

I don't know if You noticed, but there was a topic up here a while ago, where someone posted data showing that roughly 600 ( if I recall correctly ) Polish women married British lads in 2009 or sth. That has to include a significant amount of pairs that met while a Brit was over in Poland visiting.

So what's the deal? Polish women like swines? Or perhaps You're just ******** too much? Or maybe You wanted to get with a British guy and he chose some other chick?

Cracow should be happy that they come over and spend their money there. A few black sheep are no reason to complain.

Travel / The British YOBs are back in Polish towns [68]

To make it completely clear - I visited Cracow during the time when some Polish media was kicking up a frenzy about how Brits come and misbehave. And I consider this media spin complete and utter bollocks. For starters, Brits partying in Cracow don't really behave much worse than the general population ( which is, by definition, local ). Do the Polish media go apeshit everytime a bunch of roid-necks get involved in a rumble on Florianska? I don't think so. And for sure they don't drink more than an average Pole on a night out.

The few odd bits of extravagant behaviour associated with stag parties might be indeed new for Poles ( dressing up and such ) but it is just boys being boys, so Cracow should really learn to be a bit more tolerant.

I also need to add that from what i saw in some clubs British lads are a real hit with Polish ladies, so I don't really get all this criticism in this thread.


Being banned for offering a perfectly legal service????

Travel / The British YOBs are back in Polish towns [68]

Sure...Let's blame the British... It's all their fault... I mean the Polish they're just saints in their own right...
...

Here you go.

That's a movie that pops up on Youtube once you type in "florianska". You got a couple of British lads who had a few beers, are enjoying their meal and are calmly filming what can only be described as a spetacular brawl ( women get hit too ) between Polish guys in the middle of Old Town, Cracow. But sure, it must have been the British that started all that, then magically disappeared leaving the Polish to do the fighting.

And don't even get me started about the football hooliganism that is rampant in Cracow ( a few months ago a guy got hacked to pieces with machetes in the middle of the street ). You'll probably say it's the fault of the British because they filmed "Football Factory".


Carrying an automatic weapon is usually a criminal offence ( some U.S. states included ), so I don't think that's a relevant argument.

Exposing themselves in public places - Polish do that too. People tend to do so while drunk.

Public fighting - please see the movie above. These Brits are being awfully aggressive with their stingy comments. Nothing like these calm and reserved Polish gentlemen rolling around in the middle of the street...

Molesting local girls - are you joking, sir? Polish girls usually are more than happy to get with a British guy, even if they don't know English language and know that the "relationship" won't evolve past a one night stand. But if You still insist - tell me how many rape/sexual harassment convictions had there been in Cracow where the victim was a Polish girl and the perp a British lad? 0? 1? 2?

You just said companies organising tours in Cracow should be banned. There is no legal way to support this, I'm sorry. Even should half of the British visitors turn out to be fire breathing dragons, they're still EU citizens and they have the right of free travel.


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sure, because Birmingham and Leeds are just chock-full of these angry, drunk yobs, and all the Polish in Cracow on a Friday night listen to Bach and Bethoven while sipping lattes in classy cafe's ( as the linked youtube movie clearly proves... ).


Maybe the Polish could quit complaining about the British being supposedly so bad since they're doing the same thing ( and worse, see football hooliganism ) in their precious Cracow every other Friday?


You left out looting, pillaging, rape ( see warszawski's comment ), desacration, crimes against humanity and ******* Adam Mickiewicz's statue up the poop chute...

To summarize - yup, I think Cracow should grow more tolerant, this media spin is getting idiotic, not to mention this promise by the Polish Police to target British tourists.

British are being singled out for exactly the same type of behaviour that the Polish participate in.

Travel / The British YOBs are back in Polish towns [68]

I'm not bashing Poland.

If there is criminal behaviour going on - let the Police friggin' handle it instead of talking about how companies specializing in U.K. to Poland tourist trips should be banned.

I can also understand some of the outcry from a small town in Belgium or Switzerland after they've been visited by groups of British hooligans on their way to the game.

But Cracow, really?

Cracow with it's infamous "Nowa Huta" where it simply isn't safe to walk after dark? Cracow with it's two constantly warring football firms? Cracow with it's unusually high number of stabbings ( one of said firms has a penchant for knives )?

All I'm saying is the British in Cracow aren't doing anything that spetacular to deserve so much negative press and "special" attention from the Police. Not to mention some of You guys here advocating banning legally operating companies or forcing the "British Council" to become involved.

Travel / The British YOBs are back in Polish towns [68]

So what is it that you are doing?

I'm simply saying that as long as Cracow has this lil' bit of a problem with machete-wielding fanatics that kill each other in the streets singling out British lads whose only crime is getting a bit woozy and sometimes vomiting in the street as black sheep that need to be dealt with harshly might not be appropriate.

Unless of course it is perfectly ok in Poland to apply a double standard. Or unless you are claiming Cracow does not have a problem with football hooligans.


Complaining = ok.

Appropriate Police procedure where and when necessary = ok

Spinning up crazy **** in the media and singling Brits out as black sheep in Gazeta Wyborcza = not ok.

Crying "Let's close down the companies that are organizing these trips" = not ok

Travel / The British YOBs are back in Polish towns [68]


Which, coincidentally, happens to be precisely the "excuse" many Polish use when some of their darker sides ( drunk driving which Harry mentioned ) are being brought to light by the British press.

But let's not get caught up in an overheated discussion here.

All I'm saying is that this whole "British barbarian hordes in Cracow" thing is getting blown out of proportion by the media.

Travel / The British YOBs are back in Polish towns [68]


With You on that, Sean, it is a splendid idea.


Nope, I try not to spread myself too thin. Only a few projects any given time ( rarely more than four ), that's how I roll :-)

Travel / The British YOBs are back in Polish towns [68]

No Harry, I remain adamant that the bloke You mentioned was English and him replying in Polish was just a clever ruse on his part :-) These stags are getting tricky, damn it...

Love / Polish traditions and parents (I was dating this Polish guy..) [72]

Ok, one issue at a time here before I go to sleep:

1) You shouldn't be making generalizations about all Polish ( or Russian, English, Jewish, etc. ) men based on how one particular "member of the species" is acting. Most Polish guys ( at least ones that were born and raised in Poland ) don't even consider beer an alcoholic beverage to begin with and can consume copious quantities of it without getting drunk.

2) After reading all You wrote - forget that boy genius, lose the number. One of the two things happened:

a) He was looking for an excuse to dump You a and pulled this "You're not Polish"
thing out of his ass because he figured it might work.

Or

b) His family are a bunch of hardcore traditionalists, who happen to be hypocrites to boot. They won't tell You anything to Your face, but once You're out the door they really start talking. That's regardless of how many times You stayed over for tea and how much You thought his mom adores You.

Both are entirely possible and I've seen b) in action ( not only amongst Polish people ). In my humble opinion making one's kids only date/marry people from their own "circle" is a dick move to pull off on one's offspring, but it still happens. The person that ultimately suffers most is the one being forced to limit their field of choices, in case of Polish guys it is quite sad, since a visible number of Polish girls aren't exactly marriage material to begin with.

But hey - none of this is Your problem, You need to react to the **** his pulling off.

Best reaction = telling him to pound sand.

Love / Polish traditions and parents (I was dating this Polish guy..) [72]

I consider it as an alcoholic beverage. -

You do and a Polish subcontractor of mine used to hire lads from Poland who could, I **** everyone not, drink 12-15 pint-sized lagers at a party and be relatively sober. They didn't consider that much of an accomplishment either, they said vodka was where the real drinking started.

Its not because they are hypocrites, but because they are polite enough and feel that no matter how inconvenient they thing the matter is, they have no right to insult or hurt someone

LOL.

Assuming the dude's parents are really the problem ( dunno if that's the case ) they're behaving like first class ******** - having her over for tea, smiling and laughing, then telling him to dump her as soon as she closes the door. Sure, they're not "hurting" her. Not at all. I mean it's not like the time she's spending ( and wasting, due to their influence ) with their son she could actually spend with someone else....

I find hypocrites to be the worst bastards around. When I was a lot ( I do mean a lot ) younger and not quite financially well-off I was courting a Jewish girl in the U.K. and quite quickly her father flat out told me I wasn't good enough. Pretty much along the lines of "bugger off lad, this ain't Your league".

I was really pissed off then. Now many years have passed and I actually think he did me a big favour that day - it would have been a lot worse if he said nothing to me, yet kept whispering in her ear how she really deserved someone better/other. Such **** can really ruin a relationship in the long run. Poison in the well, so to speak.

rant about how annoyed you are, how you'd hit me if I said that in front of you, that there are wonderful Polish women around, blah, blah, blah

Seriously, mate, cut down on the coffee and even if You don't - bark at some other tree. I have my opinions, You have yours, I'm most likely the one with a greater amount of life experience yet You don't see me calling You a **** or telling You to go and die because You think things work differently.

Addressing some of the points You made while not too busy frothing at the mouth and shouting out names -

0) For a questing Polish white knight on a shining horse who will challenge any and all who'd dare to insult the honor and virtue of Polish women You've made quite a curious choice of a life partner, I need to say. Why go Korean if You got all these lovely, faultless Polish women around? Lol...

1) Jewish women rarely have a bad opinion in the world. Polish women in the UK have a downright bad opinion. What is surprising - UK has been "invaded" countless times in the past, by people from India, Greece, Pakistan, Africa - some of these places are poorer than Poland. Yet Indian, Pakistani or even African women don't have such a bad opinion. You don't hear BBC DJ's saying Pakistani women make good prostitutes.

Same goes for America, especially some areas of Chicago and New York, Polish women don't exactly have the best opinion ( to be fair though - neither do many other "Catholic" girls, for some reason they are considered much "easier" than Protestant or Jewish ones ).

If You don't believe me - please tell me why every twice a month or so there's a boyo living in the UK but hailing from Pakistan, India, Africa or fracking Mauritius over here who's offering a thinly veiled ass-for-rent deal? Why don't they do it on jewishforums.com?Or irishforums.com?

Simple, the women over there would laugh them off the face of this planet. But not some Polish women.

IMO that opinion is not due to all Polish women being "sluts", "immoral" or however You want to call it, but due to a rather visible minority. I'm talking, for instance, about a visible amount of Polish women in London who will give it up for any guy promising them a rent-free life in a more desirable part of town. And since women belonging to this minority are often considered "success stories" back in Poland, someone has to break it down to the Polish that in the UK a girl who does that isn't considered much different from a one that's turning tricks in a cat house.

2) With that said - I do not think all Polish women are bad. Some are surely wonderful, as You said. But the fact that I'm calling a ***** a "*****" does not consitute verbal demeaning. Please keep in mind that I never claimed to say anything about all Polish women.

If the same number of Indian girls was behaving as a visible amount of Polish girls do ( talking London town specifically now ) I'd surely throw in a few jokes about Indian sluts every now and then. But they don't, so I don't - it is that simple.

3) Right now I am quite happy in a fabulous ( albeit at times distant ) relationship, so You'd be spending time better if You took care of Your Korean princess instead of ******** how eeeeeeeeviiiiiil I am.

Love / Polish traditions and parents (I was dating this Polish guy..) [72]

Polish parents in America usually don't care if their children date non-Poles. - that's why I think this is more a case of option a) - dude looking for a "suitable" excuse to dump the threadstarter.

Either way, she should tell him to go pound monkeys in the zoo and get with someone else.

History / Why did Russia attack Poland in WW2? [178]

Poland whopped Russia's ass in 1919 or 1920 ( don't recall precisely ), back when Lenin was in charge and back when USSR still wanted to "export revolution" on bayonettes. Poland saved much of Western Europe ( half of Germany, in the very least ) from becoming communist in that campaign. Something all of Wester Europe forgot about promptly.

Some of the military leaders on the USSR side in that lost campaign included Budionny, Tuchatschevski and last but not the least - Stalin. Some claim that was the reason why Stalin had it in for Poland.

But I personally think the attack had more to do with a rapidly opening window of opportunity and them being able to snatch up a lot of land while destroying an opposing state at the same time.

Love / Polish traditions and parents (I was dating this Polish guy..) [72]

there is this nose

Just one word... rhinoplasty...

In regards to the "third worlder" issue, since it's been mentioned... Actually I'd say ( don't have much to do with "third worlders" ) that if we "were to blame" a given group for the fact that some Polish women are, as Southern put it, "loose" ( and since we can't blame these women themselves, because they're faultless through being Polish and thus the next incarnation of Holy Mary as LTB will surely tell us ) I'd hesitantly point towards English blokes. In my bachelor circles in London it became quite fashionable in the last few ( 5 or so ) years to "do a Polish girl".

The way it was usually done was through going to this or that club, acting really, really English ( accent and all ), buying a few expensive drinks and saying how one had a pad in a more fancy part of town ( according to a friend of mine "Notting Hill" was really a hit, since there was a movie and all ). That was supposedly enough and ( also supposedly ) one did not really have to repeat the procedure more than twice to find a Polish girl for the night. To be fair though - I doubt all of the lads I talked to ( middle/middle-upper class boys all of them ) about it were able to distinguish Polish from Lithuanian or Czech.

So yeah, let's blame the evil English ( again ) for spoiling Polish women's morality.

Now with "third worlders' I can vaguely recall ( will google it ) a case of a certain Cameroonian immigrant in Warsaw that was a real hit with the ladies over there, so Southern might be a bit right. Simon Mol, wasn't that the lad's name? Got dozens of Polish women infected with HIV because when they asked him to wear a condom he said they were being "racist". Worked like a charm, every single time...LOL....

Lodz the Boat, care to comment on Mol's case? ( in other thread, not to expand the offtopic discussion ) Why don't we hear about African immigrants wrecking such havoc on local women in France or the UK, :-)

Love / Polish girls and the national sport: COMPLAINING HARD all the time [25]

Go on then, tell us what you told her. - great, now he'll tell us all about how to make money off the internet :-)

One very beautiful girl who is always complaining
that she has to work very hard for only
1700 PLN per month,
I showed her very easy way in which
she can work 3 times less and earn 10 times more.

Of course completely legal.

The reaction?

Was awful, she accused me of insulting her,
and told me to leave her alone.

If You told her what I think You told her she had every reason to be insulted, Polish or no Polish.

History / Why did Russia attack Poland in WW2? [178]

If Germany was extremely racist and hated communism why would they side-up with the Russians?
where they afraid of them wanted to get the job done easier?

Please read a bit on political theory, esp. on windows of opportunity, you'll get your answers really quickly.

Love / Polish traditions and parents (I was dating this Polish guy..) [72]

Southern and Midas, as well as their likes are used to women who are too ambitious and would stray loose. I agree that such women exist from Polish backgrounds

I don't think You fully understood what I meant by loose up there, old chap.

No use really, it is just that Midas is an unfortunate person

know it will not work for you, because perhaps you have already shaped your personality in that way. Quite simply unfortunate

Cut the personal ****. I don't go around the forum telling everyone who'd listen that You hump donkeys for chump change just because we have different opinions on some matters.

Simon Mol

I brought Mol into the fold after Southern mentioned "third worlders". Since he's off-topic here and since You seem to be so hung up on comparing and contrasting him with so many great polish girl/third world male couples I started a new thread, just for you, about Mr. Mol where we can exchange our opinions.

Here's a link for You, address the question I ask there plz:

Simon Mol - would he have been so "successful" in other countries?

will not go in to blame or speculate it into an oppressive culture of theirs (because I personally do not believe it, I think they are reasonably free and their behavior is often their own choice)

Yeah, sure, in Pakistan these chicks pour acid on their own faces out of their own volition...

but I would say that it is a mark of their "way of life" that they are more conservative.

See above.

Poles are not always so conservative specially in a foreign land because our family fabric is not as it used to be. We are turning more westwards,

Spreading for a guy who'll pay Your London rent or "falling in love" with a local who'll pay the bills and help to find the job two days after one get's off a Ryanair ( activities in which visible amounts of Polish women participate in ) isn't really too "Western", if You catch my drift.

Personally I don't know what You're so pissed off about. I'm not talking about all Polish women. I'm talking about a visible group that is doing quite a bit to show themselves in a bad light. Now, You being Polish ( and for some reason married to a Korean despite being so utterly smitten by Polish women ) instead of telling them to clean up their act You b.itch at me for telling it like it is.

Insane.

Love / Simon Mol - would he have been so "successful" in other countries than Poland? [121]

So You're basically saying that most Dutch, English, German, American women wouldn't laugh the guy out of their bed, had he told them he won't use a condom because he's black/martian/Polish/Chilean?

Sorry, I have to disagree.

But ok, assuming You're right, since You said that without a doubt he'd be so successful in all of the countries I mentioned = why hasn't there been even 1 case like Mol's ( both modus operandi and scope ) in any of these countries recently?

It's not like he's the only African casanova with HIV...

Love / Simon Mol - would he have been so "successful" in other countries than Poland? [121]

Look, throw in a link to a case where an African immigrant managed to infect 40 Belgian ( or any other nationality ) women because he told them they were racist when wanting a condom.

All the links that were provided pertain to cases of much lesser scope.

Love / Simon Mol - would he have been so "successful" in other countries than Poland? [121]

I had a rather busy day, I'll drop a few bits of thought in tomorrow, maybe.

Have to say right now though that I find the argument used above ( "hey, most women are not too bright, duh" ) not really well thought out...

Travel / The British YOBs are back in Polish towns [68]

So we had a bit o' a talk about this, now I'm cruising through onet today and I find an article.

Basically some local journo found enough decency to look at all sides of a story. He even went "undercover" with some of the British lads.... Surprise, surprise, he heard one group clearly complaining about the Polish being aggressive, another gent saying that Cracow has to do something with all these stabbings and witnessed some British stags being insulted smack down in the middle of the street because they didn't want to go to a stripclub.

But I guess he was just really lucky and met the only three decent groups of stags in a sea of barbarism and obscenity that pours out of every Ryanair flight that takes off in the U.K.. Chances are that if he does that one more time he'll end up butt-raped and nailed to the Sukiennice by these monsters from Albion...

Love / Simon Mol - would he have been so "successful" in other countries than Poland? [121]

Sorry guys, I'm really awful busy nowadays and I'll reply to Your comments once I get a bit of free time...

But since some of You want to know - This topic was started partially because I find the question presented here interesting and partially because our resident knight-crusader for the good name and virtue of all Polish women - Lodz_the_Boat - made some personal comments that weren't to my liking. I think that Mr. Mol's example clearly shows some of the issues a certain percentage of Polish women have, hence I started the topic.

Love / Simon Mol - would he have been so "successful" in other countries than Poland? [121]

I've been struggling to remain to my "polite" limits with you ... but I find myself successful.

Since just the other day you called me scum and told me to go and die I don't think I'd like to see You operating outside Your "polite limits", sir, since we'd probably have to get the Police involved :-)

Love / Polish traditions and parents (I was dating this Polish guy..) [72]

LTB - way to go, diss her, it's all her fault.

BlueEyed - when I first replied I wrote about 2 options. Unfortunately, based on what You wrote, I believe that while the guy is a bit of an immature dumbass, his family is the main problem.

This is a really difficult obstacle to clear and You'd be much better off finding somebody from a family where a son's choice of life partner doesn't cause threats of divorce amongst the parents.

Love / Polish traditions and parents (I was dating this Polish guy..) [72]

Blue Eyed -

thank you for your comments they helped alot.

Madam, I'm glad I was able to help.

I do believe that the guy himself surely wasn't the main problem and that he would have matured rather quickly, had he met the right woman. Unfortunately for him, it seems it will be his momma who'll be making decisions in that matter ( and she of course considers being Polish a number 1 requirement ). I'm afraid he won't exactly be happy with her choice in the long run, but that is no longer any concern of Yours.

Actually I think it could have been worse, You could have tried a longer relationship with him and then every time something wouldn't work out his mum and dad would continue to blame You behind Your back while politely smiling while You were in the room. That wouldn't have ended too well and would have been a waste of Your time.

However, please do not make far reaching assumptions about all Polish people based on this, I've seen such "family" issues in Italian, Irish, Jewish and English families as well.

Lodz the Boat - yeah, sure, diss her some more because the guy's family are a bunch of *******.

Love / Polish traditions and parents (I was dating this Polish guy..) [72]

Lodz the Boat - take your quasi-cheeky comments, curl them into a ball and shove them where the sun don't shine :-)

Love / Polish traditions and parents (I was dating this Polish guy..) [72]

Lodz the Boat - Nice rant. I assume You ran out of xanax yet again... :-)

UK, Ireland / Are you Poles proud of your country? Then why do you keep coming to Britain? [100]

1) Until Britain opts out of the EU ( good luck with that, mate ) the Polish have the right to settle in Britain.

You'll just have to live with that, I hope no veins pop in Your head from all that stress.

2) The concerns that You raise about the way some Polish are milking the UK welfare system are genuine. IMO it is also laughable that statistically speaking right now the easiest way to get a Polish woman pregnant is to put her on a Ryanair to Blightey.

Something should be done about the welfare leeches ( not only of the Polish kind ) and saying so does not mean one's the next Adolf Hitler or BNP supporter.

Love / Simon Mol - would he have been so "successful" in other countries than Poland? [121]

It started on Simon Mol and perhaps it might be better to stick to him in the topic.

Despite my pleas, none of You were able to provide a recent case of same scope from Western Europe/U.S. in which an African immigrant managed to get 40 (??? - the jury is still out on the specific number ) women infected with HIV because he told them they're racist when they asked him to use a condom. Cases You provided concerned at best a few instances of getting someone infected.

In my humble opinion Poland and a few other states from Eastern Europe are the only places in the world where such a case of such scope was possible right now. In other places it would have been downright difficult for any African charmer/scammer to find such amounts of gullible women on whom accusations of racism worked like a court issued "shut up and spread 'em" order.

Ogien -

Women don't exactly head off to college to become nuns, You know?

But apart from that I agree, that the reason the number of materialistic/slutty women amongst women from Eastern Europe is visibly higher than amongst women from other parts of the globe is because many parents from Eastern Europe do a ******** job while raising their daughters.