Language / The Future of Polish Language [179]


From the context. This short sentence of yours is just gibberish, and needs lots of effort and additional information to start guessing at the meaning:


I was (there to) [can be heard] often when I will have bought from people the Vietnamese.

You call it understandable?

News / Independence Blood Bath on Polish roads over the long weekend. [69]


Yet it strongly suggests it by association, and this is bad propaganda. Counter-productive, because people can easily see through it.

News / Independence Blood Bath on Polish roads over the long weekend. [69]


That's the point. Too low legal levels make it all less serious, and the whole thing is rather sneered at in consequence.


What 50% chance? They were the drivers caught by the police, they didn't harm anybody. The huge numbers come from the police being specially mobilised for the Action Long Weekend.

Language / The Future of Polish Language [179]


The very fact that it could've been pulled off speaks for itself, no such thing is possible with Polish.

I know the English speak different English than the foreigners, yet the usage differences are not basic things. Especially that the native English speakers differ in this as well.

News / Independence Blood Bath on Polish roads over the long weekend. [69]


Well, drunk driving is bad, but if 1880 drivers kill, Ok, harm 742 people, then it's less than half a victim per one driver. What I mean, that sort of propaganda only makes things worse. The main reason for the body count is that during the long weekends there's much more Sunday drivers on the badly maintained roads than usual.

What Poland needs is a slight increase in legal alcohol level, comparable to Germany, and brutal policing of excesses. Then we have the problem of corruption...

Language / The Future of Polish Language [179]


You are missing my point, I'm afraid. First thing, the above is not basic English, it's English mutilated, by direct retranslation from a mutilated Polish. Basic English is a cropped set of grammatical rules, a subset, which is correct within the general English grammar. Being easy to master, it is still correct and fully functional. After learning it, two foreigners from two different countries can communicate without any problem, and they both can use it as a basis to extend it into proper English.

In Polish there's no such thing, as any attempt to simplify the grammar to make it as easy as the basic English grammar will create a cripple which is not a part of Polish, but an entirely new, artificial construct.

Language / The Future of Polish Language [179]


Goes for any language. That's why translating poetry is rather difficult.


You can have Basic English, functional, fairly easy to master, and correct. Basic Polish, to be correct, needs full inflection by tense, person, number, gender etc. for the start, so it's hardly 'basic' as in 'easy'.

It's not about which language is superior, although some may be better in some applications, then they are probably worse in others, and it's possibly a matter of opinion anyway.

Where do you find the finesse of Anglo-Saxon, though? It's a dead language.

Tell you what, I'd love to speak excellent true English, but what is that, in fact? Queen's English is not, so maybe Estuary, the middle class cockney? Personally, I tend to adopt the quasi-Irish pronunciation, to make myself understood. Like when saying 'you can't'.

Life / Are Poles bigots and xenophobes? [205]


That's interesting, got any serious links on it? And those quotas.


Well, less that 3 mln in an almost 32 million population doesn't make 10%...

Language / The Future of Polish Language [179]


Something like that, yeah.


I would agree with that too. I remember my shame after recollecting some of my errors after having mastered the proper usage.

Still, the high level is commonly very difficult for strangers to any language, I'd say. As goes for decent grammar, though, English is rather easy, even including tenses and conditionals.

I am a native Polish speaker, but I can easily cope with explaining most of the grammatical issues of English. Here I encountered simple questions 'why are you saying this like that in Polish', and I struggled. And then somebody posted full set of relevant grammatical rules, and I said to myself 'fck that, I am not going to learn all this!'. And the questions were, well, basic.

Life / I saw Polish nationalism today [249]


Not a Freudian, he was a freak, but I'd say that those quasi-Nazi are the result of some psychological need rather, than... well, no deeper though involved, obviously. I want to be strong, I want to be right, I want to be a warrior true (not like those 'anarchists' pampered by half of the press), I want to unite with my few chosen friends, proper men, seeing me a a proper man. Or woman, as we saw on the pics. I'd say one or another form of it happens all over the world, only in the Europe-influenced cultures it takes on the specific symbolism, equated with extreme rebellion against the mainstream. Everybody hates Nazis, but we are strong enough to raise the banner.

As long as the police doesn't really react -


- but why, actually? They are marching once a year, carrying posters, shouting things, raising hands. Freedom of expression. Once they start smashing windows, or littering the street, police should intervene promptly on the grounds of unprovoked property damage, and even act without prejudice, just to make sure the message gets through. I wouldn't really object if they were additionally charged with maliciously damaging the public property, i.e. police batons. Stupidity is a costly hobby. Or at least should be.

Attempts on denying them the right to walk streets curiously reminds me of the official reaction to the Orange Alternative. A street demonstration of garden dwarfs, the commie police reacting vigorously. And a toddler asking 'Mummy, why are they beating this little mister with a red cap? What did he do?' Well, he shouted 'Red caps good! Stop the persecution! Dwarfs will not surrender!'.

Language / The Future of Polish Language [179]


Incomparable. English is easy to start and to proceed to quite a high level, and typical foreigners' errors are about nuances, rather. Polish has a very steep threshold at the very start. There's no such thing as 'Basic Polish', simply can't be.

Life / I saw Polish nationalism today [249]


I was living there, 10 years ago and 15 years ago. More people are employed, in the UK. Wages are up, prices double so. And there are new opportunities coming, with Germany and France opening the labour market. This year a visited Poland after 3 years of absence, and I saw either stagnation or 'negative development'.

And I saw a dynamic progress in Poland too, lasted for about a year. Those 2 decades ago.

Life / I saw Polish nationalism today [249]

Poland has already tried this method, seems it didn't work.

Life / I saw Polish nationalism today [249]

I am not a fan of the current developments in... out there, so I don't even know if you're insulting me now or not. Just in case: fck you too!

Sincere apologies, if this was not deserved.

Life / I saw Polish nationalism today [249]


I don't know about your immediate environment, and such generalising opinions are difficult to discuss anyway, no actual research available. Now try and look at the official statements, starting with the Bishops' Apology for the expulsion of Germans, and compare this series with the neighbouring countries. Excluding Germany, that is, they are the champions.

Life / I saw Polish nationalism today [249]

right. Thanks for contributing to the Polish-European mutual understanding.

News / Praising Poland can be dangerous [45]


No so simple, as I see it. Germans, right, no problem, I can feel it from both official and personal experiences. As for the rest, this dream has already been tested by Pentagonale, a concept of creating a bloc of post-com countries with similar past and similar economies, and similar potential for development. Tried, failed, forgotten.

Why? Poland can not influence Lithuania, first thing, unless by force. Ukraine is less nationalistic, still more than half of it gravitates towards Russia. Slovakia is an open question to me, but be serious, what do they really matter. Hungary goes it's own way, why would it need Poland, or just any alliance with neighbours. They'd look at Austria, rather.

What you say reflects my sentiments from the early post-com times. It was tried, it didn't work, and it is not a sole Polish responsibility, as other countries have their say too. It's not Commonwealth any more.


You seem to contradict yourself a bit. Poles should know, and the West should know. Poland has raised from a limbo, and has a lot to present in order to become a fully recognised personality, not just a breeding ground of cleaners, builders, and strawberry-pickers.


Ohh, right. Now do it. Create an unbiased history, in 20 years, while there are young and loud nationalisms around, and where there is a natural ignorance about the country kept in the closet for generations. And the problem is, that pointing fingers would be a significant part of this history, unfortunately. The West has to acknowledge this and that, before Poles stop 'whining'. Good thing is, I can see it happening, in the UK.

And the Jewish problem, sorry to stir muck...


They are, in Poland. Often ridiculed right here.

News / Praising Poland can be dangerous [45]


A what? You mean Marshall Foch? The Versaille Treaty just used the opportunity to weaken Germany. Good for Poland, but nothing to be really grateful for. Couple of decades later confirms that evaluation.

News / Praising Poland can be dangerous [45]


Poland is painfully struggling through the direct results of the past, so bear with us.


There is some truth in it, 20 years should be enough to get rid of more of that sh1t. Somebody mentioned, though, that you are intimately familiar with GazWyb et al? So you should know the reason why Poland is so deep in the past still.

Life / I saw Polish nationalism today [249]


I have no issues with guarding. I have an issue with what is being guarded.


The mob is gathering!

We need one more. A Gang of Four sounds good.


Ts, I'd doubt they'd last in a pub long enough to say 'same again, please'.

Well, late in the night. Sober Poles are pathetically tolerant.

News / Praising Poland can be dangerous [45]


Thing is, we are living it.

Life / I saw Polish nationalism today [249]


Can easily become a two man mission. It's none of your business who mentions which newspapers. Opinion shaping is not what moderators are supposed to do.


I'd say it's more like a re-enactment hobby. Fringe party from a different era has found several dozens of active fans in some God-forsaken backyard, and it stirs excitement all over the country. Obvious retards as well, as the presented salute strongly suggests. One might expect that Nationalists know a thing or two about history concerning their nation.

News / Praising Poland can be dangerous [45]


Euro-political scale, geography doesn't have much to do with it.


I am who am. You'll see :)

Language / The Future of Polish Language [179]

Reincarnate in Poland.

Seriously, it's a difficult language for non-Slavs. Why do you want to learn it?

News / Praising Poland can be dangerous [45]


Well... does it? :)

Lemme see who... Sandman, post #7, said most of it. Helsinki is the the geographical East of Western Europe, Poland is the Eastern border of Europe, Latvia and Estonia somehow sneaked to the West of the EE, Czech republic earned the place, Hungary I don't know, Ukraine is hesitating. Everything more to the East is Central Asia. Something like that. Oh, Lithuania, right. Extreme East of the EE - but this might be my nationalistic bias.

edit:


Belarus is Russia.

News / Praising Poland can be dangerous [45]


but... I can't agree with you, can I?...

but... oh, sod it.

I am all right with Eastern Europe. Central Europe suggests that Europe stretches far more East than the Bug River.

In all fairness, Polonius, what can Poland be proud of now? I mean now, and I am just asking.

History / Ghetto Uprising better known than Warsaw Uprising? [92]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Flax

From that point on missions consisted of three P-40 Squadrons covered by one Spitfire squadron
a mission, four squadrons, less than one sortie, 'in reality'.

31stfightergroup.com/historical_31st/wwii309fs.html

For their second mission of the day the 309th flew with Nos. 81 and 131 squadrons

A mission, three squadrons, which is less than one aircraft, 'in reality'.

During the last mission of the day the squadron intercepted 7 FW-190s

A mission ('less that one aircraft') intercepting 7 Fockewulfs. 'In reality' :)

Harry in reality. Carry on, boy. :)

History / Ghetto Uprising better known than Warsaw Uprising? [92]


Care to to quote what they say? At your leisure :)


Quote them.

History / Ghetto Uprising better known than Warsaw Uprising? [92]

At the moment, Wiki does support my claims, as does the WRM website.

'In addition to ammunition, oil and crew, the Liberator could carry a further disposable load of 2,600 pounds (1,180 kg) which was made up of petrol and payload.'

So it's, let's be generous, a ton of payload per flight. Seems the Wiki agrees with the Warsaw museum, and both got it right. Roughly 200 tons, rougly 200 flights. Means sorties, Harry, just as I said, a sortie being A flight of a combat aircraft on a mission. Not a mission, Harry, but one aircraft flying. They did it 11 times, sending about 200 planes in total, in those 11 missions. Eleven missions, Harry, not hundreds of missions.

You were lying, again, and then trying to slander you opponent, again. Mods?

Oh, forget it.

History / Ghetto Uprising better known than Warsaw Uprising? [92]


Put the text on the net, to make them happy, and provide link here. I'd like to read it. One way is mediafire. If you have Polish version scanned or transcribed, put them there too, please.

A summary would be missing the point completely. Some direct quotes not so.


Eleven, Harry. Eleven missions, less than 200 sorties. Eleven is 11% of one hundred. Hundreds of missions is your typical harryish take on Polish history and on the way Poles whine about the Allies.