History / What nation do Poles feel closer to? [74]


But my attention span is not like from here to Koluszki, please.. Tomorrow I might get interested in the real differences between Shia and Sunni, or whatever. I know it's none of your business, but, please?

Thanks for the sources, but I'm in London. Greater London, just between the two of us...


Just don't say this is an explanation.

Free spirit? Easily excited? Not holding grudges? Direct in speech? Not to mention the drink-readiness...

History / What nation do Poles feel closer to? [74]


Oh, and the Slovaks showed up for invasion. I don't hold it against him. So this is sorted? The Hungarian king disrespected the whole Polish nation. Tick. :)


They opportunistically exploited the fruits of the Austrian lowly and cowardly crime of murdering a... oh, the proud and ancient state of Poland. Innit.

Seriously, BratBoy has a point about us not having common border, mostly. But lack of reasons to hate each other is hardly a working foundation for friendship. Not in private life, not between nations. We do not love the Swiss, do we, although we do not hate nor despise them. Thus only your suggestion of similar mentalities bears some resemblance to valid explanation. But what would those common national features be then? I know it's difficult. I mean, I think so.

I don't mind three screen rants nor links to academical analyses nor whatever that might shed more light. Come to thing of it, it is a really interesting phenomenon.

Like, they sent us ammo in 1920, as you say. From what I know nobody else did, but the French tried, and the Brits tried, only the transports were held up by rebelling German workers, another reason to hate the Krauts. And I do not consider Marshall Foch a contribution. But that's about it. And we sent them Bem before, so they just paid back.

We do not love Finns, Estonians, Norwegians, although we do respect them, I believe. Similar distance.

So? They drink wine, not strong spirits. They can't speak intelligibly. They sing better under influence. They showed us how to make goulash, but they laugh at Polish-made goulash. They put paprika in everything...

UK, Ireland / How ENGLISH has been affected by POLISH [73]


Wow, I didn't know that, obliged. So there's more to Russian science than Mendeleev.


But could you give an example of a Russian word with the 'dz' sound? I can't think of any right now... They might pronounce 'dievochka' like there was a hint of 'dz', but come on...

History / What nation do Poles feel closer to? [74]


Eh, a Slovak invasion. They just popped in for a drink.

You are worse than Harry, Torq. Another myth busted just like that.


This is not a healthy situation. Maybe we should partition Slovakia and just wait for a couple of years.

Really nothing? Wait a minute, what about that king after Kazimierz Wielki? He disrespected us. He didn't even show up here, did he?

Ah, and Austro-Hungary. They partitioned us.

History / What nation do Poles feel closer to? [74]

Did they? Bastards... but this wasn't true, I know. Be serious.

History / What nation do Poles feel closer to? [74]

Torq

Torq, but they must've done something bad to Poles or Poland? Everybody did. Except Slovaks. And Serbs. And Bulgarians. But except of them, everybody. This is a serious question, you're an expert, so what was bad between Poles and Hungarians? Must've been something.

UK, Ireland / How ENGLISH has been affected by POLISH [73]


etymologia.org/wiki/S%C5%82ownik+etymologiczny/r%C4%99dzina
rędzina, rędzinny, w XVI i XVII wieku ogólne, o 'glebie urodzajnej'; serb. rudina, 'niwa', przymiotnik rud, o włosach: ruda kosa, 'kędziory', ruditi kosu, 'kędzierzawić', ruda, rudica, 'zbita wełna'; porównaj rdest (7).

There are a few places in Poland called 'Rędziny'
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C4%99dziny
and there's a surname Rędziński.

Barney, who were those Russians that invented soil science? The only possible names that spring to my mind are Michurin and Lysenko.

UK, Ireland / How ENGLISH has been affected by POLISH [73]


There 's szmata in Polish, but from what I remember it came from Yiddish. I never heard anything like Schmuck in Polish, but I just checked, and:

from E. Yiddish shmok, lit. "penis," from Old Pol. smok, "grass snake, dragon."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmuck_(pejorative)

Although contemporary 'smok' is just a dragon, yet I recollect some dragon-like creatures of Slavic mythology, which were rather huge flying snakes (Żmij, Zmiej), so the snake connection seems legit. On a side note (or maybe not) 'smoczek' (a little smok) means 'teat', something to suck.

Still, it seems English was influenced by Yiddish here, not by Polish.

Language / Polish nationality insults in Polish? [67]


It's about the evacuation of Saigon while Viet Cong was ante portas. Polish TV of this time concentrated on scenes of total chaos and panic. Until now I remember one footage of somebody dangling from an overloaded helicopter.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]


JChrist, you got to go there and admire! Now!

Nobody can be trusted these times. People are hopeless. Good night. Yes.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]


That's roughly what I meant. Not bad.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]

Sorry, Bzi, I don't care :) I mean, I don't care to know all of them. They were second sort anyway.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]


And now you're hitting me with aesthetics. Nasty.

As per topic :) the Italian Renaissance, as popularly understood, was very popular in Poland at the time. Influential too. We even imported some Renaissance Italians, hard cash paid. And we keep some paintings up till now, those missed by Ger... Nazis and Ru... Soviets. Honest.

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I didn't even know all these names, impressed... But the Alter in Kościół Mariacki was sculpted by Wit Stwosz! And you BratBoy just shut up right now!

News / Polish Jesuits created a Facebook site for non-believers. Atheists not a total waste? [70]


You said 'Christians and Catholics', let mi remind you. This strongly suggests you do not think Catholics are Christians. Like saying 'fruits and apples', for example. Dogs and German Shepherds. Humans and... Ok, forget it.

:)


I told you, I'm just popping in. Nothing to say about Atheists either. Not today, I am in a peaceful mood.
:)

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]

Wiki: The Italianate style of architecture was a distinct 19th-century phase in the history of Classical architecture.

Don,t trust the Devil, man... :)

News / Polish Jesuits created a Facebook site for non-believers. Atheists not a total waste? [70]


Last I checked, Catholics were Christians, and everybody called their Book The Bible... So if, and I say if, you are mistaken, then what does it say about the atheists, if anything? :)

Just popping in, don't bother.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]

And they had better weather too. Have a cookie.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]


Poland did produce some literature. And a unique culture. And Poland did civilize a nation or two, and did colonize wilderness. And preserved a rather interesting foreign culture. And protected this part of Europe against Islam. And... well... all right, we didn't cull heretics, but every country has it's weaknesses, innit.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]


HINT: BIG RED LETTERS ON THE TOP OF PAGE


Fancy a free hint, Jonny? Big? Red? Letters? Or is it too subtle.

Edit: Thanks, mod.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]


Bravissimo. Now we are reaching the typical level of PF discussions. Shame on Poles, always resorting to insults when they lose the argument.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]


I tried to hint on that. I was too subtle.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]


As much as one JonnyM with an Italian trillion dollar economy. Short memory span? Eat more nuts. Buy yourself a golden fish, good for beginners.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]


And mafia...


It doesn't fit the topic. The bold red letters on the top of page.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]


Not a single successful 5-year plan, though. Suckers.

Um... maybe try and google WW2 and its repercussions. Should be a real eye-opener, man.

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Now you've beaten me. Nobody comes to Poland to dig in the post-war rubble. Not that there's much left now.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]


Right. And the Italians are still the cultural avant-guard, unmatched in 'dynamics' and painterly creativity, ever on the cutting edge of science and medicine. Poles suck, we all know that. Nice talking to you.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]

JonnyM


Yes, I have.


Don't overestimate your influence on me. I did have some vague idea about what Renaissance was and where it begun even before you took so much effort to enlighten me. What I mean, from the beginning, is what I wrote in my previous posts. Please refer to them.

What I said was that there was no country like Poland in Europe, never. No European country enjoyed that long period of undisturbed development, with no real international issues, due to the locally unmatched political and economic power. No other country grew so big without conquest, by sheer cultural influence. Obviously, the influence was to the East, but anyway.

That's what we are proud of. Not of the development of arts and sciences by Italians et al. Capisci? Can you accept that? Or you prefer to remind me that it was not a Pole who discovered America.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]

Right. Now try to understand what I wrote, already twice, and please react to that. Culture of painting fine portraits of local apparatchiks, done in the free moments between tidying up blood and brains from the floor, although unparalleled in Europe, does not impress me more than the culture of peaceful life. You prefer struggle for power, assassinations, poisonings, treachery, conquest, painting, and painting, I don't. Must be a cultural difference.

Anyway, find me in Europe anything similar to Renaissance Poland. Paralleled.

Edit: I got interrupted, sorry. I mean, a strong, wealthy country with no enemies considering serious invasion, and all neighbours yearning to marry any daughter of any Polish king, just to have this kind of a brother-in-law. In case of trouble.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]

Now what do you mean by this Italian dynamics? Small city-states struggling for power? Thank you, I'd rather have 'wsi spokojna, wsi wesoła'. Not hat Poland did not evolve culturally at this time, of course. Following the European trends, no denial. And modifying them by other trends too.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]


Wrong. Learn some history.

Edit: I mean, Polish history. I suppose you know enough about Italy etc.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]


Vilnius was a much more dynamic place before that. The God forgotten little tribe killed its leaders yearly or so, and they conquered the post-Ruthenic territory down to the Black Sea. Then they fled to union with Poland, and got civilised. This sort of dynamics was not the most appreciated attitude in Poland. For centuries on.