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Bratwurst Boy   
21 Jan 2010
History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

One myth at time though. Maybe how the Teutonic Knights were spreading Christianity in Poland?

Good example!

I don't know of any German painting the Teutonic Knights as benign civilization bringer holding the torch of freedom (anymore that is)!
Nor would we call it "anti-german propaganda" if you complain about them! ;)
I think we see them quite realistically...

What's a "psubracie"?
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Jan 2010
History / Yalta Conference and Poland [78]

Oh god...I once had it....lemme go looking..

Okay...I give up....I can't find the original.
But I believe the paper has an archive! I wished they would put it online like Times or Spiegel recently...

Nothing beats reading original articles from that time - history as it's best!
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Jan 2010
History / Yalta Conference and Poland [78]

Can you find full text not only single quote ?

Maybe the Daily Mail has an archive where we could find it...
But this special quote is from an article from 6th August 1939.
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Jan 2010
History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

I would say leave the myths alone.

It makes talking about history and even current events quite a struggle sometimes.
Especially with people fed on those myths who start to accuse you of "fabricating anti-polish propaganda" the moment you mention otherwise (outside of Poland that is) well known facts...

Also upholding myths which paints one side only totally rosy is not helpful for any reconciliation at all!
Bratwurst Boy   
20 Jan 2010
History / Yalta Conference and Poland [78]

He was a Field Marshall. He must have known the true state of Poland's armed forces and materiel.

Well...ESPECIALLY if you know about it better than the masses. What should he have told them?

"Ummm...erm....okay guys...we better cave in...my tank has crashed three times on me on my way here...we have no chance and you can't trust frenchies anyhow....let's go home..."

I think he would have been punished for "defeatism" then...
Bratwurst Boy   
20 Jan 2010
History / Yalta Conference and Poland [78]

What more...two countries about to go to war....blood has to be heated up, propaganda to spill, the masses made to scream enthusiastic...the same old everywhere!

What else should he have said?
Bratwurst Boy   
20 Jan 2010
History / Yalta Conference and Poland [78]

one sentence out of context by the man who didn't run Polish diplomacy or government prove exactly nothing.

Well...he said that at a ceremony of graduates of a military academy if I remember it correctly.
At least it speaks volumes about the mood in the country I would say...
Bratwurst Boy   
19 Jan 2010
History / Yalta Conference and Poland [78]

This quote floates around

Well...it throws a light at the tensed relationships between our states then (and typical polish overestimation).

Poland was geared up for a fight as was Germany...plus Poland counted on France and GB to get her nuts out of the fire should Germany prove to be to much!

Yeah, we brought communism on ourselves.

If I were mean I would say that after all you DID fight on Stalins side and helped him win..but I won't! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
19 Jan 2010
History / Battle of Grunwald 1410 The biggest medieval battle. Germans smashed. [174]

Like air. :):):) Whenever I recall how Poles managed to push back the Teutonic invaders, I feel complacent and work goes faster.

Now then...you may proceed! :)

smashed, smashed

The Poles are still glad that there was no Serb in sight. They would had lost again (both).
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

Hey, why didn't you offer me a beer? How sexist of you!

I'm NOT a sexist! I think... A beer?
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

but understanding that the scumbags who did the unthinkable are mostly gone and the new generations are not like them.

Hey, it's my grandpa you are speaking of....and what do you know about us anyhow!
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

Yes, and the years 1700-1799 are considered the 18th century however final partition of Poland-Lithuania was in 1795.

Well, then that was the second partition she speaks of...still Prussia, Russia and Austria!

1700s
Poland's three powerful neighbors, Russia, Prussia and Austria, each want to own Poland. This was all but impossible without risking war with each other. They finally settled their dispute by dividing Poland among themselves in a series of agreements called the Three Partitions of Poland.

1793
During the Second Partition, Russia and Prussia take over half of what was left of Poland.

1795
The Third Partition divides the rest of Poland. Poland is "officially" non-existent for the next 123 years.

Bratwurst Boy   
18 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

In the 18th century, ethnic Poles constituted 45% of the population. The minorities had their schools, their religions and their businesses. That's all I'm saying.

Erm...correct me if I'm wrong but Poland got re-established in 1919 only.
This "warm" and "welcoming" Poland you speak of must be that of Prussia, Russia and Austria since 1795 then..;)

I can't understand it either. Its a strange world.

*nods*
A beer?
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

Compare that to 300,000 Israelis that traveled to Turkey. I don't think that means we have a big affinity to Turkish culture. Ok, it's closer and cheaper. But 25,000 is no big deal.

Not only closer and cheaper but not being the country of the "Täter" either!
I don't find it comparable...

And I really find it astounding that Germany is so popular with Jews, especially Israelis.
It's something I can hardly understand..
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

Sure, but I don't see a thread about Polish love and tolerance for minorities, also.

Yeah...wonder why....

worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Total/Polish%20Antisemitism.htm

....so "warm" and "welcoming"!
Please keep your copy and paste to less than 100 words
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

Well, hence my example...not only are there alot of jewish stories out there who have less than favourable memories of their time in Poland under the Nazis but that there is a much more fresh imprint what could influence current opinions.

After all 1968 is not as far back as 1945...and many Jews might remember that too.
The topic is "Polish hatred towards Jews" and not "Polish hatred towards Jews in WWII".

Official, government supported anti-semitism and expellation of Jews...you can hardly expect that to be without consequences.
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

There are so many Jews who have the impression (because they lived through it) that Poland was very welcoming and warm to minorities. It's just that today, there are some (Foxman) who seem to want to stamp that out. Why?

Where did you study history Ma?

/wiki/March_1968_events

....The wave of antisemitism instigated by the authorities of the People's Republic of Poland as part of the "anti-Zionist" campaign, served as a tactic to divert public attention from the political crisis in the country and resulted in the final mass flight of Jews from Poland.

Bratwurst Boy   
18 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

The survey is a bit suspicious since it probably had an agenda it was trying to promote. So I don't know how accurate it is.

Probably....

Who talks about the germans? The only relevance of Germany to them is their historical role.

Well, that isn't quite the case either, isn't it!:

usatoday.com/news/world/2007-04-01-german-jews_N.htm

...."In 2005, more Jewish immigrants came to Germany than to Israel," said Stephan Kramer,...
"Without immigration, most of the Jewish communities would not exist anymore," he said, adding that about 200,000 Jews left the former Soviet Union for Germany since the fall of the Iron Curtain in 1989.

Or this:

ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3793436,00.html

Israel 2nd in number of tourists to Berlin

Americans are only ones outside Europe to visit German capital more than Israelis. Some 25,000 entries of Israeli tourists recorded Berlin in first seven months of 2009
...

Yeah...totally disinterested....suuuuuuuure!
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

Compare that: ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3774804,00.html

Poll: Most Israelis sympathetic towards Germany

*puzzled*

That throws me:

..."People expect that younger generations have more positives opinions, but what is happening is actually the opposite. The older the person, the less sweeping and the more sober their opinions are towards Germans.

So...Jews who actually suffered the Nazis and the Holocaust have generally a better view of the Germans than younger ones who never experienced it? Whoa.....
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Jan 2010
Feedback / I like the new buttons of PolishForums! [76]

My helmet is still to small.....but at least I have one now.

Your chef's hat is bigger than my helmet....how come? *looks suspicious*